No, you're right. But I do think certain MAGAs have taken it to another level. IMO, you have to in order to support a candidate who tried to initiate a coup while criticizing the opponent (who is no more than your run-of-the-mill useless politician).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Ok, so the best they got is the orange cheeto, its really hard to name call in America someone with German/Scottish roots.. I guess you could make a comment about lederhosen or kilts... what really works is the old SNL Richard Pryor Chevy Chase skit
Trump dabbles in this nationalism thing, and is a step away from racist crap. Something that should not happen in a country where all men [people] are created equal.
For the life of me I don’t understand why some of my fellow Republicans are using this line of attack. It’s just stupid. This probably started from Trump. Harris has many positions that are not what I would call mainstream. Attack her record, not if she has been unauthentic.
You're a good and intelligent poster, P. You and I probably agree on the issues and policies way more than we disagree. What you just said, though, is largely one of the reasons I left the Republican party. They started losing me with the bailouts during the Great Recession, and then more so around 2013, with the rise of the TEA Party that drove Boehner bat-poop crazy. J6 I felt was the worst it got, and the short/selective memory of some continues to baffle me.
It is almost entirely about personality politics now. Gone are the days when it was about keeping the spending in line, keeping the government small, fostering competition, and enforcing personal and corporate responsibility. I don't really see that being a central platform right now at all. Hell, I even asked an ardently Conservative poster on here what policies they liked about the prospective Trump administration. What followed was a very artful dodge and a retort that there are better things to do than post on here, before said poster then spent an eternity lobbing childish personal attacks. I know that doesn't represent a very large contingent of people who identify as Republican or conservative (I see the two very differently now), but like Swish and Oober said, it is indicative of a frenzied base that many on the far right, along with 45 himself, continually feed.
I've vowed to post less in this forum for a couple reasons, but one of them is seeing just how poor the reactions were to the Trump shooting. Man, that was a rock bottom in observing American political reactions.
I always appreciate your observations though, and those of the several posters that followed you, so I thought I might chime in, plus I think your bafflement is something that plagued me for quite some time, so I felt compelled to share.
It’s become a “race to the bottom” if you will, when all you have to do instead is just point out the obvious flaws and propose better, substantive solutions, which really isn’t hard, or at least it shouldn’t be. Even many on the left in here have pointed out Harris’ flaws and shortcomings. It should be an obvious strategy, but I guess fervor and overreaction gives the actual guy in charge more of a narcissistic dopamine shot. JMHO. Take care, good sir.
Thank you for the kind words. I’m still a Republican because the majority of my views are aligned with them. I am more liberal on abortion ( I’m for a ban after 15 or so weeks with exceptions) and I believe in gay marriage but I don’t think the government should mandate that churches have to allow them. I think each individual church should have the right to choose what they want to allow. I am not a populist which I believe is a trend right now in the party. I’m not an isolationist but I do believe that we get into too many conflicts and we spend too much on foreign aid. Trump was right about NATO and them not spending what their share was. He did get them to pay up. Yes he spoke harshly to them but I don’t care.
I know your stance on Ukraine. I don’t think I’m all that far away. I’m for military aid but not cash like we sent them. I know most of the aid hasn’t been cash but any was too much. I’m also against not giving them the weapons they need. I don’t like the restrictions we put on them as to what they could do with them.
I voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries and was praying for a miracle that Trump would pick her as a running mate. He didn’t and now we have the worst possible ticket. Harris is a complete joke going off of her stated views. I held my nose and voted for Biden because I knew he at least had some moderate views in the past. He made me feel like an idiot for voting for him. Harris would be even worse in my eyes. Since I can’t vote for Trump I doubt I vote for anyone. I might write in a name, Nick Chubb will be it if I do.
I think we are very closely aligned on everything you said. We probably do differ on Ukraine. I think there is a false narrative (mostly from a prospective Republican VP) that we are sending them buckets of cash when it really is almost none. What’s worse is that had we just been aggressive up front, we would have spent much less than we have already and Ukraine would be in a way better spot. It’s the hemming and hawing mostly from the far right that caused a lot of that issue.
I do very much agree on the NATO contributions, but I see it as a separate issue from Ukraine. I think we need to take a very aggressive approach at making sure they contribute as they should. I think Trump was right to take that approach, even though I maintain concerns that he made those relationships wobble due to his relationships with Putin and Orban.
I am hoping Harris picks Mark Kelly for VP. I almost feel like he’s a no brainer pick.
Thanks for the conversation. It’s good to talk policy and platforms again. I always welcome it.
Edit ~ I would ask one question - which Republican policies do you get behind. I feel that the party is so torn right now and I really struggle to see a common ground in the policy realm.
Honestly, most of what I see from Republicans - and this goes for Dems too - is people who have always held fervent loyalty to them finding it difficult to have their world view shattered, that perhaps they are not what we thought they were so to speak. I’m not saying that fits you by any means, but I think the notion of “conservative” does not really align to any few core principles that may be left spanning all those in DC who have “R” after their name.
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First, happy birthday! As far as cash to Ukraine it was a one time thing of 20 billion or so I believe. I looked it up because of all the conflicting info.
As far as policies I agree with…
Border. I have zero tolerance for illegal immigration. We need to know who is coming into our country. The Republicans passed a bill that I supported. I’m for more legal immigration too. Border wall. I’m for it. I know it can’t stop everything but it would make it harder to cross. It would also help the agents do their job. I think the cost would be worth it for how much it will do.
Social issues. I think I’m pretty mainstream for the party.
Taxes. They should be low and have a flat tax rate with a floor that way the lower income taxes won’t go up. That is a pipe dream however. I’m for fairer trade deals. I supported NAFTA and I think that deal has proven to be bad. I think we need to make more things here. We shouldn’t depend on other countries for things like drugs and materials that we need to make military hardware.
to be fair... she mainly identified as an PSI until she started using her father's side and dropped that she was of Indian descent.
Hi, SBD.
Here's the thing about KH's bio: it's something I've known about for a number of years. When I first heard of her, she'd just been elected as AG/Cali. Big post. National news. So I started researching her. (My own ethnic background in America is 'mixed,' as is hers, so my ears perked up. I've always identified as 'Black in America').
I wanted to know about her, because she is known as/considered 'Black." It wasn't until I started digging into her bio, that I found out she had a direct familial connections to her bloodline from India. Since then, I learned a lot more about her, and her background.
Her early life bore no resemblance to the basic, reductionist caricature used by Citizen Trump at this recent Q&A with the NABJ.
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This is what's publicly known of her, as opposed to what Citizen Trump saidabout her. It tracks with what I've known about her for years.
What follows, comes from her most basic Wiki bio. It'll confirm for you, stuff I've known/said about her for years:
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In 1966, the Harris family moved to Champaign, Illinois (where Kamala's younger sister Maya was born), when her parents took positions at the University of Illinois.[24][25] The family moved around the Midwest, with both parents working at multiple universities in succession over a brief period.[26] Kamala, along with her mother and sister, moved back to California in 1970, while her father remained in the Midwest.[27][28][25] They stayed briefly on Milvia Street in central Berkeley, then at a duplex on Bancroft Way in West Berkeley, an area often called the "flatlands"[29] with a significant Black population.[30] When Harris began kindergarten, she was bused as part of Berkeley's comprehensive desegregation program to Thousand Oaks Elementary School, a public school in a more prosperous neighborhood in northern Berkeley[29] which previously had been 95 percent white, and after the desegregation plan went into effect became 40 percent Black.[30] Harris's parents divorced when she was seven.
African-American intellectuals and rights advocates constituted Harris's formative surroundings; Mary Lewis, who helped start the field of African-American studies at San Francisco State University, and taught there for many years, was one of Shyamala Gopalan's most trusted friends.[31] When Shyamala worked late at her lab, Kamala was cared for by Regina Shelton, a Black woman whose day-care center in the apartment below was decorated with pictures of Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth.[32] Harris has written that Shyamala "knew that her adopted homeland would see Maya and me as Black girls, and she was determined to make sure we would grow into confident, proud Black women."[33] A neighbor regularly took the Harris girls to an African American church in Oakland where they sang in the children's choir,[34][35] and the girls and their mother also frequently visited a nearby African American cultural center.[36] Their mother introduced them to Hinduism and took them to a nearby Hindu temple, where Shyamala occasionally sang.[37] As children, she and her sister visited their mother's family in Madras (now Chennai) on occasion.[38] Kamala Harris says she was impressed by her maternal grandfather's progressive views. Harris has remained in touch with her Indian aunts and uncles.[37] The two Harris sisters spent summers with their father in Palo Alto and now and then traveled to Jamaica with him.[39]
After high school, Harris attended Vanier College in Montreal in 1981–1982.[48] She then attended Howard University, a historically black university in Washington, D.C., living initially in a dorm room at Eton Tower near Thomas Circle.[42][49] While at Howard, she interned as a mailroom clerk for California senator Alan Cranston, chaired the economics society, led the debate team, and joined Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority.[47][50] She also completed a summer internship at the Federal Trade Commission, worked as a tour guide at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and participated in anti-apartheid protests at the South African embassy and National Mall.[49][51][52][42] Harris graduated in 1986 with a degree in political science and economics.[53]
Kamala Harris has always identified as Black. Ever since she was a little kid.
The line that Citizen Trump tried to recently float about Candidate Harris is demonstrably false, easily debunked... and only works on folks whose political silos echo with Citizen Trump's voice.
I've been Black since 1956. Kamala Harris has been Black since 1964.
In short: we've both been Black since babies.
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Donald Trump has repeatedly missed, when it comes to reaching American citizens like us. I never expected more from him.
Honestly you should’ve been ran for some type of office here in Ohio, bro.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I’m glad you brought up the cash issue because I needed to educate myself on it. I’ll just put it this way, I know a lot about military equipment and its movement. I think I had a blind spot for the cash you mentioned though, so I’m glad I looked it up. I’m torn. It looks like most of it was earmarked for international disaster assistance and refugee relocation. I think those are worthy causes, especially given how badly the Russians have treated Ukrainian refugees (I’m talking like how the Nazis treated the Russian soldiers in WW2). However, I do also get the point that we need to also maintain those funds to assist ourselves.
I get the border stance as well. I tried educating myself in the thread here but it devolved as per usual. Which bill are you referring to? The bipartisan one that failed? I know that failed because of Trump, but the way you’re saying it leads me to believe you’re referring to a different one. I do see this as a shortcoming with Harris where you can see she was absent at best. It’s also another reason why she should pursue Mark Kelly from Arizona as a VP.
I have gone back and forth in my head about a border wall and I can’t seem to get over the conclusion that it would be a poor ROI in terms of its effectiveness. I also can’t get the whole “Build a wall and get the Mexicans to pay for it” blunder out of my head.
I think the Republicans have departed from conservative ideals on social issues. I also see a lot of plurality on this topic, or at least I used to. Now I think there’s more of an embrace of fundamental Christianity being woven into their stance, and I say that as a practicing Christian. It used to be more of a “let the states decide it at their level” stance and now they’ve gone “big government” on a lot of the social issues.
Good talking to you, P.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
34 felonies is a record worth pointing out. So is paying off a porn star. So is your business being fined over 350 million dollars. So is the fact your charity was shut down. So is the fact a jury found you are a sexual predator. You see, while you say the dems are doing the same thing, in reality they are pointing out many facts that seem abhorrent to most people. They're not trying to attack someone's racial identity. I understand it's hard for you to see the difference but the difference is huge.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Happy birthday 05! We'll never agree on everything political but it's refreshing to see a voice of reason posting on here. I thought they had ran you off. They're pretty good at attacking even their own if you don't walk the trumpian chalk line. You sound much like I remember real republicans sounding well before trump came along. Great to see you posting here again!
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Obviously "Don the Con" does not understand that when half of your family is from India, half of your family looks like they are from India.
I doubt he would post a picture of the Jamaican side...
It is so petty and foolish, the man is old and stuck in a pre-civil rights mentality that color/ethicity makes a difference in a bad way, and the fact is that he is basically insulting any of us as Americans who cherish their genetic heritage. What a loser.
My prior wife's family are proud Italian Americans, stories similar to the plot line of Moonstruck or My Big Fat Greek wedding or any other cultural comedy come to mind. It is something that most Americans celebrate. It is an American thing to do.
He went down the wrong rabbit hole with this one.
Time has passed him by.
I see a beautiful family photo that humanizes Kamala, this will ultimately backfire on him.
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A week or so ago Trump was an overwhelming and strong favorite to win ... he's now tied with Kamala according to this Forbes article. I still see DT favored in some of the Vegas sites but they this as being closer than when Biden first stepped down.
And between now and November I can see it only getting nastier from Trump because he's never as nasty and toxic as when he knows his backs to the wall and he's going to lose or thinks he might lose.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
The real crossroad for him I think is whether he debates her. Refusing to debate her makes him appear weaker, but also negates the possibility of him damaging himself on a live stage. In the event he does not debate, he could play his odds at around the slightly over 50/50 chance he has right now. Unless she falls on her face, though, I could also envision a scenario where those odds continue to erode.
If he does decide to debate her, the obvious best case scenario is that he either excels or at least survives in tact. I think he'd probably win if he can pull that off in a debate. The downside for him, though, is his lack of filter which seems to be amplified by his aging. If he pulls more NABJ type stuff on the debate stage, he could very well lose himself the election all at once, IMHO.
I imagine different factions of his campaign team are all engaging in their own "spirited debate" recently as to whether he will debate and under what stipulations. Typically, I don't think debates will sway an election all that much, but one between Trump and Harris actually does hold a lot of stake in the election results this year, IMO.
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Your post brings up one obvious question for me. Does he ever really believe that he can lose? In every election he has claimed that if he doesn't win it was rigged. That he is the only one who had a chance to win in those elections.
At some point I think one has to ask, does he do this because he is obviously trying to undermine our election process and the peaceful transfer of power or is he really that delusional and Narcissistic?
Neither answer is good but for me there is clearly two possibilities here.
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Think you are about right there. Will be interesting. Of course who knows what twists and turns will crop up. It wouldn't surprise me if Trumps speech gets worse gut example. He isn't anywhere near as bad as Biden but, to me his word salads are worse than ever. VP might be a deciding factor and Trumps choice isn't inspiring.
Pit, Trump is a spoiled brat. I don't know that there's much more to it. He's entitled. Has zero principles. Beyond that I don't know what's going on in his head.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Your post brings up one obvious question for me. Does he ever really believe that he can lose? In every election he has claimed that if he doesn't win it was rigged. That he is the only one who had a chance to win in those elections.
At some point I think one has to ask, does he do this because he is obviously trying to undermine our election process and the peaceful transfer of power or is he really that delusional and Narcissistic?
Neither answer is good but for me there is clearly two possibilities here.
There is a mentality associated with Trump. Never admit failure, never admit you are wrong, never admit that you lie, never apologize, if you do so you are weak and will be destroyed. I have seen it in others, and it is just sad when they can't even say "I could have done better."
Kamala really has no brain. She is just as clueless as Biden when she has to actually speak without a teleprompter and canned speach. It's another coverup that will be exposed when the debate happens.
Kamala really has no brain. She is just as clueless as Biden when she has to actually speak without a teleprompter and canned speach. It's another coverup that will be exposed when the debate happens.
The quote your objecting to is this? (from the article)
Here's what Harris actually said: "This is an extraordinary day, and, um, I'm very thankful for our president and what he has done over his entire career but in particular as it relates to these families and these individuals—what he has been able to do to bring the allies together on many issues but in particular this one. This is just an extraordinary testament to the importance of having a president who understands the power of diplomacy and understands the strength that rests in understanding the significance of diplomacy and strengthening alliances."
Kamala really has no brain. She is just as clueless as Biden when she has to actually speak without a teleprompter and canned speach. It's another coverup that will be exposed when the debate happens.
You think the dude that formed this run on sentence thought turd is going to out debate Kamala?
“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
…and you think that SHE’s the one with word salad issues?
Your whatabout is no good here as this thread is about Kackela. She will be exposed during the debate as a moron who can't form a cohesive thought. All she does is speak in circles.
Did you see his performance at the NABJ gathering?
d00d is pathologically incapable of reading a room if it isn't one of his own support rallies.
Rambling, evasive non-answers to direct questions 4th grade-level defensive posture calling the interviewer "nasty," and s# talking Harris' ethnicity... in front of a houseful of literate Black people who have regional/national/digital media news platforms.
...all in roughly 35 minutes.
oh, my god.
This was the equivalent of some amateur stand-up comic from Martinsville, IN loading up his best Klan-based material for open mic night-
-at the Apollo.
Dumber than a sack of synthetic hair. Dunning-Kruger University President Too old to learn, grow or change.
Your whatabout is no good here as this thread is about Kackela. She will be exposed during the debate as a moron who can't form a cohesive thought. All she does is speak in circles.
That was one of my primary concerns about Kamala. I think she has been working to improve on her public speaking. It is a difficult thing to do. She appears more polished of late, and although you may not like it, far better than Don the Con.
Scream whataboutism all you want, but Trump is a rambling fool of late.
Your whatabout is no good here as this thread is about Kackela. She will be exposed during the debate as a moron who can't form a cohesive thought. All she does is speak in circles.
And trump doesn't speak in circles... I Refer you to the statement Portland posted...
I get that you want to hide that kinda stuff but trump does that all the time and he has since goodness knows when.
Embrace it, or accept it, but don't bother to deny it. It's out there for the whole world to see.
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Yet the dude that let these gems fly is going to verbally out spar Harris? Hope you have your (word) salad forks ready…
“One of the things that will be really great -- the word experience is still good, I always say talent is more important than experience, I've always said that -- but the word experience is a very important word, a very important meaning.
"I never did this before, never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington maybe 17 times and all of a sudden I'm the President of the United States, you know the story, riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our first lady and I say this is great but I didn't know very many people in Washington, it wasn't my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York, and now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like an idiot like Bolton, you don't have to drop bombs on everybody."
“We're going to make America great again. We've rebuilt the military, we have a ways to go. We've done things for the vets like nobody's ever seen. We can do even more -- we did choice, as you know, we did accountability. What we've done nobody's been able to do. But we have more to do...
"...At the end of our first term, it's going to be great, it would have been phenomenal. We got hit with the plague. At the end of the second term, it's going to be at a level that nobody will have ever seen a country. We're doing it, whether it's trade, whether it's military -- all made in the USA, so important. Made in the USA. ... We've got to bring back our manufacturing and I brought it back very big, but we have to make our own pharmaceutical products, our own drugs, prescription drugs."
It’s like when a four year old tells you a story… I went to Billy’s and then a popsicle we had a popsicle and grape but not mine cuz I like strawberry but Billy had his bike and he went fast and the popsicle was cold and my mine fell so Billy got one too when we went to the pool but you can’t eat in the pool cuz his mom says that you can’t eat in the pool so we rode bikes and then went in the pool and it was his dog that got the popsicle on the ground but he wasn’t allowed to eat it so Billy’s mom yelled at him.
Your post brings up one obvious question for me. Does he ever really believe that he can lose? In every election he has claimed that if he doesn't win it was rigged. That he is the only one who had a chance to win in those elections.
At some point I think one has to ask, does he do this because he is obviously trying to undermine our election process and the peaceful transfer of power or is he really that delusional and Narcissistic?
Neither answer is good but for me there is clearly two possibilities here.
There is a mentality associated with Trump. Never admit failure, never admit you are wrong, never admit that you lie, never apologize, if you do so you are weak and will be destroyed. I have seen it in others, and it is just sad when they can't even say "I could have done better."
And when somebody "inferior" to you like a black woman hands your ass to you, you whine like a little bitch that they are nasty or ask you horrible questions-
Your whatabout is no good here as this thread is about Kackela. She will be exposed during the debate as a moron who can't form a cohesive thought. All she does is speak in circles.
drump isn't going to go to the debate-he chickened out to the one they agreed to on ABC- he has counter proposed today that he will do one on faux news-he has to go to his safe place-maybe he will only do that if hannity is the moderator and they don't fact check him
The entire kackela thing is hilarious. But I suppose when you support someone that only knows how to call people names and be angry and hateful all the time, when someone comes along who can show at least some sense of happiness and joy it does catch them off guard and they find it offensive. Welcome to trumplandia.
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