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I get it arch. You want to use raw numbers with zero context of the progress over time. It certainly helps promote your agenda.

888, after reading your post I went back and reread the article. Several thoughts I would like to bounce off you.

First those who are celebrating a northern triangle illegal show up rate of 25000/ month should realize two things. That is still 3 million per year and they are coming from three small Central American countries only. Still is way excessive.

Second, unlike you, I have zero interest in what brings these folks here in waves. The asylum issue is pretty much a nothing burger, 90-95 % of asylum claims are denied. When you send a message that if you get to the border you have an excellent chance of getting released into the country you are inviting those waves to be bigger and more frequent. IMO the simplest thing to do to reduce flow at the border is stop “catch and release “. Current administration has been unwilling to do that for 3+ years.

Third, This conversation that has been going on related to Harris and the norther triangle really does a disservice to border security discussions. Let’s be clear, Harris’ fingerprints are all over the entire Biden/harris/mayorkas border policy of the past four years. There is no policy enacted that she does not support. Since she wants to be the president she should have the entire border fiasco hung around her neck and she should wear it proudly.

Fourth, while it may be that using the term “open borders” makes it seem hard to believe that any group would believe in that. But anyone who wants to decriminalize crossing our border does not have border security for America at heart. Imo the only reason the administration reacted to the border is because immigration polling numbers tanked for them. They do not have a passion for making our border secure and bringing immigration control back to America. America should be deciding who comes into our country, not outsiders. It is our country!!

The idea that America cannot control her borders just seems totally foreign to me. We just have to have people in charge who want to do it. Right now we do not.

After making those comments about open borders, I went back and listened to a couple of interviews of that New York bartender and the Somali who we saved from a life of desolation and poverty and in return she spits on us daily. There positions sound awfully close to open borders.

Good talkin to you 888. Have a great day!!

Showing progress and that those encounters were cut by more than two thirds show huge progress. Not that the job is complete. Just like 1.8 million wasn't showing the job was complete. But that 1.8 million over four years is much better than where we are now. (see how easy that is?) Just like 25k compared to 90k means we are a lot better now than we were then. But I know that's impossible for you to admit because it happened when a democrat was in charge.

Here's another news flash for you. If you can figure out and address what's "bringing them here in waves", they won't keep coming here in waves. But that's what people like yourself love to do. Never get to the root of the problem to solve it. Just keep addressing the symptoms instead. Like the guy who kept having a toothache but just keeps taking pain pills to address it. Pretty soon he's addicted to the pain pills and his tooth is still bad.

Oh, really? Reading comprehension problems on your part apparently. You took a number from 1 month from 3 countries and compared it to 4 years under a different admin.

What numbers did I compare to the former administration? I haven't seen the numbers of encounters with people from the Northern Triangle under the trump administration. The starting date I used going from 90k to 25k was July of 2021 and the end date I used was May of this year. Biden was president at both the beginning and ending dates I referenced. Is that what you call a comparison? I used the approximate date Biden gave her those responsibilities until May of this year.

And I'm the one with the comprehension problem here?

As far as the 1.8 million number, I didn't in any way compare that to Biden. Biden's numbers are far, far worse. I simply asked after keith posted all the things he listed that were wrong with immigration, why wasn't he here complaining about that when trump was president. I mean what number is his threshold for consistently carrying on about it on a message board? Wasn't 1.8 million crossing the border during an administration enough to garner his attention?

#thoughtsandprayers.

Try to keep up arch.

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, “there you go again”. You just cannot help yourself. Once again, clean up in aisle 3.

The candidate you support for President has taken the position that crossing our border should not be a crime. Your party will enact that position if they get in power and can do so. Maybe you can convince them how stupid that is. But the fact is that it is lefties like you who want to decriminalize border crossings. Read that carefully, it is lefties like you who want to decriminalize the border.

I asked you before to show me where I said it was Harris’ job was to control the border. You ignored that and seemed to suggest that I said the southern border was her job, that she was the border czar. Show me.

You keep citing one data point. It is difficult to gauge dates on that graph, but look at the 2-4 months before your date. The numbers spiked up. But, then look at the 1-2 months before that upward spike, the number was almost as low as your favorite number. But in the months before that it spiked up. In other words there is no consistency, no pattern. And that is why it is totally bogus and deceptive to cite that one data point. Not that it matters to you.

Let me ask this again. Could you show me where I “asked yet again if Harris was or was not the border czar”. Show me where I asked that.

So if you knew and I knew what border we were talking about, why the stupid is remark about maps and the northern triangle. Just plain dumb.

Lastly Harris is a part of an administration that has decimated our border security. She supported it and if she has her way it will only get worse. She deserves all the “credit” in the world and I hope Americans nail it to her come election time.

Did you get my answer pit ??My threshold is 0. But vital is that we have a pres who gives a crap about the border. Right now we do not.

Right here, bud.

You state "By May, the number of migrants from the Northern Triangle caught crossing illegally had fallen to 25,000 from a peak of 90,000 in July 2021 "

And then you say: "So it seems the 1.8 million that crossed while trump was president didn't bother you? "

You literally compared 1 month of illegals from the norther triangle to 1.8 million in 4 years from all countries.

I think you forget what you post.

Where? Just posting it doesn't cut it. Please give your source where Kamala actually said that "crossing our border should not be a crime."


Biden has been president for over three and a half years. Can you show me anywhere that Biden, Harris, any democratic congressman or senator has proposed making crossing the border illegally should no longer be an illegal act? Just more of your rambling, fake BS.


You asked me yo answer yes or no if Kamala was the border czar. If you knew she wasn't why would you bother asking such a question to begin with? Everyone knows why.


So none of them came close to that 90k number in July of 2021 and were consistently lower on average over the following time period you mentioned. Thanks.

Let me ask this again. Could you show me where I “asked yet again if Harris was or was not the border czar”. Show me where I asked that.


Dumb would be what you and your party keep doing, and what you were doing then by trying to lame the crisis at the border on Kamala when you knew better all along. If not, why are you still here whining about it?


See. Even though you claim to know what her actual role was and even though those numbers greatly improved, you're still trying to hang the crisis ON THE BORDER, on Kamala.

You do realize you've made several posts denying that very thing, right?

This is why I posted the following...........


Showing you still try and pretend you don't understand it should answer your question.

So you can't actually see that those are two comments are totally separate from each other and concern two directly different topics. Dude, you are so lost and I explained exactly that in my previous post.

The 4 million figure of how many encounters involved the golden triangle is one that keith himself provided. In that comment I addressed the encounters from the golden triangles. Had you have been following the thread you would have known that. But you didn't so you don't. The 1.8 million number is also a number keith provided as the total number of people that crossed the border under trump. So keith and everyone else who followed the discussion knew the difference and what was being referred to.

The second part involved was questioning why he wasn't upset about the number of total illegals that crossed the border when trump was president and why wasn't he on here complaining about it then.

It seems what happens is you don't actually read the threads and follow the flow of the discussion. Then you get confused and blame others. The only people buying your BS are people who weren't paying attention like you

Someone like Trump maybe??

So explain why he let in 100k a month from the Nth Triangle during its peak in 219. If 25k a month is 3 million a year.... What do 40k + 35k + 8k per month add up to? The numbers at the end of Trumps term?? I'm not bashing Trump or deflecting from the Biden numbers.... Just highlighting that saying something and doing something are often very different and one harder than the other.

It's OK to disagree. It's okay if you don't care why immigrants are crossing the border illegally. Good luck solving the problem from that position, in my experience understanding root cause is vital to finding solutions. The five why's... Cause and effect.

So, you admit you took 25,000 in 1 month from the N. Triangle, and compared it to 1.8 million over 4 years from ALL countries. Thanks for playing.

Which goal post are you going to kick at now?

What part of this can't you comprehend? I asked why he wasn't on here complaining about immigration when trump allowed 1.8 million total immigrants to enter the country during his administration.

In a totally separate part of that same post I spoke about the Northern triangle when discussing the part of the immigration policy Kamala was responsible for.

Are you really that thick?

No. I'm really fairly intelligent.

You compared 1 month of illegals from 3 countries, to 4 years of illegals from all countries, under Trump. Don't deny it.

I mean, it's as plain as the 2 faces you have.

Dear Lord. Talking to a stone wall is such a waste of my time. It's odd how you seem to be the only poster on this board that can't see it for what it is. That's a you problem. Hopefully you will seek the help you need wherever you can find it.

Even keith understood it. I'm sorry you lack the ability to do so.

Compared to you, I have a PHD in english, and comprehension. You? Not so much.

You asked where you stated what I proved you stated, and you still back away from it.

Look, if you can't handle getting what you give, just admit it. Don't change the subject or the goal posts.

I pity anyone that has to deal with you on a daily basis.

Nope, you are the made up claim guy that forgets things.

Then you get angry and defensive and spout gobbledygook when someone points it out.

I don't think you're stupid. You can put on a good act of it, though.

Pointing out stupidity is neither anger nor being defensive.


The only thing you've actually addressed to me are personal posts and then claim I'm the one that can put on a good act of being stupid? Once again your lack of ability to hear yourself seems to be a huge issue.

Well, I am not sure how to respond to your post pit. There seem to be two possibilities. First, you forgot. It’s happened to me. Or second, you are getting ready to go on one of those lying jags where you keep repeating the same lie trying to convince somebody who knows the truth, that would be me, that they are wrong and you are right. Well, before you tread down that path…. again, keep in mind that strategy has not ended well for you recently. You know, Trump said nazis were nice people. You know, American immigration law says we must release into the country illegals who show up at our border. The bull hockey you spent months and years telling people they were true. Did not end well did it?

Newsflash, this one is not gonna end any better for you, pit. Last night I watched the video. It was a presidential primary debate in 2020 I believe. The moderator, a guy, not sure who, asked this. Raise your hand if you want to decriminalize illegal crossings of the border and make them a civil matter. Again, raise your hand if you want to decriminalize illegal crossings of the American border. Well, pit, guess whose little hand shot straight up. Do you want to guess?? Never mind, I’ll tell you. It was Harris!!! Straight up in the air. Not just yes but oh hell yes!!! Let’s decriminalize illegals crossing our border!! So her stated position is to decriminalize border crossings by illegals. Now since you glue yourself to these looney leftie new sources who are doing everything they can to scrub her positions of the past 15 years or so you may not see that clip. Try an honest news source and you will. Hopefully the Trump campaign will put it on a continuous loop on a channel in every major city in states affected by the overwhelming invasion of millions of uneducated peasants.


You asked me to show you where Biden tried to decriminalize border crossings the past three years. He did not because he knew it would never pass. DOA!! But he wanted to! You know how I know that?? Because he raised his hand too. Raise your hand if you would decriminalize illegal border crossings. And up went Joe’s hand. How do I know Biden wants to decriminalize border crossings?? Because he told me!!!

When you do not want to know truth trying to give it to you is a waste of time. But I will say it once more. Even though every media outlet labeled her the border czar until recently when they saw it was gonna be a negative for her campaign, I don’t care whether she was or not. What matters is the border has been a disaster for 3+ years and that disaster is at the hands of the Harris Biden mayorkas administration. And since she is the one running for pres she is gonna wear it for the next three months, even though the lame stream media ,aka dncc, will do everything they can to scrub it.

I did not mention it, but in addition to Harris and Biden, nearly every democratic candidate hand shot up to decriminalize border crossing. There is one candidate who I could not see, Tulsi Gabbard. Being one of the few rational dems left, I would bet she did not raise her hand. But these dems showed clearly that having control of our border is just not a priority. They just do not care.

Says the man who makes outrageous claims but never gives any sources. A guy who thinks an isolated event involving himself tells the entire story. I'll tell you what, when you can start supplying some sources to back up your claims rather than just spouting it out without anything to back it up we'll have something to discuss. Until then you just think you can post any numbers, any representation of what you consider facts and never be questioned.

The sad part is you always talk about the liberal media and then seem to depend on what the liberal media said when it suits your purpose. Unlike you, I gave you a direct link to Biden's own quote as to what her responsibilities were regarding immigration. No made up interpretation of it. No guess work involved. Yet you totally ignore that and here you are. You are what it looks like when someone ignores the facts even when you put them in front of their own nose.

And then you claim it's someone else who is lying. Same as it ever was.....

None of the politicians answer the who, what, where, when, why, and how? Illegals come for opportunity, they'll defeat the "wall"- dig under, go over, coasts, how's our northern Canadian wall coming? Fake news and stuff- a wall will never do its job, it can't- one party promoting fear and division at every turn.

Well holy cow Batman!!! Six years after JFK said we were gonna put a man on the moon we did!! Your opinion of American ingenuity is in the minus numbers. Mine is not. I know we can accomplish anything we set our mind to. Sadly too many like you lack the will to control our border. Most Americans do not.

A wall works but it is only part of the solution. We flood the sky with drones, embed motion sensors, expand border patrol. Whatever it takes to protect our border.

To be clear, America and Americans have the right to decide who comes into our country. No one from outside America, no non citizen has a right to be here. We choose not them.

Presenting facts to you is pretty much a waste of time. You would rather try to advance your phony stories instead of dealing with facts. I am definitely not inclined to waste a bunch of time citing facts you will just ignore.

But this one time I will do this. Got on bing and typed in “decriminalizing illegal border crossings and democratic primary debate”. Up popped the story from pbs. Headline… all but one democrat would decriminalize illegals crossing into our country. All but one. Surprised me that it was Bennett from Colorado. Everyone else raised there hand. Read the story , watch the video and you will see both Biden and Harris saying they will decriminalize illegals coming across our border. Just a great example of how you lefty dems just don’t want to see our border controlled.

Now listen, don’t be afraid. It will only hurt for a little bit when you see, once again, how wrong you are.

888, you do the same silly thing pit does. You ignore a substantial amount of data that can actually give you valuable information and pull out one data point that provides nothing. Why don’t we look at the numbers.

In trumps 4 years 1.8 million illegals showed up from the northern triangle. That is about 37,500/month. Then Harris worked her magic at the triangle and voila!!! The next 40 months averaged 120,000/month, a grand total of about 4.8 million. So there is only one reason for pulling one month of data. Deception.

So you decide. Do you want to find valid info or do you want to use phoniness to make Harris look better. Your call.

On another note I saw a fascinating story last week about El Salvador. They have constructed super max type prisons, not sure how many, and they are built to house gang members and they are filling them up with people convicted of gang crimes. Really packing them in. They have gone from being one of the most dangerous countries in the hemisphere to being a pretty safe country. I did not catch the comparative murders pre and post prison but I gathered it was substantial.

First, Trump and GOP are going to continue to pound Harris and Dems on illegal aliens coming into our borders, and rightfully so. It's a problem that could've been handled much differently with much better results. Now that Harris has ascended (sarcasm), the criticism on this issue should only get hotter. This was like the one thing she was put in charge of (VPs don't get to put their name on all that much) and it was largely a flop. IMO, Trump should try to work this angle as part of a larger attack on her leadership in general (vs stuff like her credentials as a PoC).

I do want to say that trying to boil down the issue of illegal aliens in this country to a "Trump vs Biden/Harris" is doing the topic an immense disservice. This is an issue that has been neglected by both parties for way too long. While illegal crossings under Trump were way lower than Biden, that's ignoring the effects of COVID and not even touching on the lack of any real action despite all the bloviating.

Under Trump, we only got Executive Actions (temporary and reversable).

We got no new laws, no actual change in policy/procedure. We didn't even get that stupid wall (which is probably a good thing as it wouldn't have done much and would've cost a ton), and we didn't get Mexico to pay for it. If we got anything, we got a whole lot of bloviating.

Under Biden, we got even less.

Trump will continue to rail on Harris for her work at the border because it works. IMO, that's stupid because his results really isn't all that better when you think about it.

Well said. I think the border issue is a microcosm of how politics works in general these days. Aside from the bipartisan bill that was put forward this year, I don't recall the last time anything was actually accomplished through a traditional legislative means that actually put a plan in place. The border bill that was sent through recently obviously failed, with a lot of people who were detractors of it.

Politics 101 now has become attack your opponents weaknesses while having no tangible plan in place. So while it is justified for Trump to attack on the border issue, I'd be curious to see what kind of plan his admin actually could put into place since his bloviations - as you put it - during his 2016 cycle obviously never came to fruition.