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Two things:

Bazzana debut (Lake County won 1-0).



Getting Clase in the Kluber trade is just absurd.


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I do not think Clase will win the Cy Young, but I do enjoy an argument on why he should. thumbsup

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There is still time left but I am beginning to have my doubts.

I cannot really get a grip on how the Guardians are run? I live in Atlanta so I don't know all the inside info.

I don't get doing nothing at the trade deadline when you have their record and obvious issues?

One would think they would trade for a top starter.

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Guardians trade for Lane Thomas: First-place Cleveland team acquires Nationals outfielder - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...land-team-acquires-nationals-outfielder/

The AL Central-leading Cleveland Guardians have added to their outfield. The Guards are acquiring Lane Thomas from the Washington Nationals, the teams announced Monday night. The three-prospect trade package includes lefty Alex Clemmey and infielders Rafael Ramirez and Jose Tena.

Thomas, 28, has been one of the more productive outfielders in the National League the last few seasons. He owns a .253/.331/.407 slash line with eight home runs and 28 stolen bases this season. Last year, he slugged 28 homers and swiped 20 bags, and was a 3.3 WAR player. Also, Thomas is not a rental. He is under team control through 2025.

The outfield seems to be an annual problem for the Guardians. Even with All-Star Steven Kwan, who is slashing .342/.395/.502 with 11 home runs, Cleveland's outfielders are collectively hitting .247/.324/.395 with 34 homers this year. That is almost exactly league average once adjusted for ballpark. Thomas will presumably slide into right field, though center is also possible.

Clemmey, 19, has a 4.67 ERA with 97 strikeouts but also 47 walks in 69 1/3 Single-A innings this season. Baseball America ranked him the No. 7 prospect in Cleveland's system in their midseason update, and called him a "high-risk, high-reward" pitcher with plenty of upside. Ramirez, 19, is hitting .187/.301/.319 in Single-A. He was the team's No. 20 prospect per those same BA rankings.

Over the last two seasons Tena, 23, is 7 for 35 (.200) in 21 big-league games. He's hitting a stout .295/.353/.493 with 17 home runs in 90 Triple-A games and seems likely to join the Nationals right away, where at-bats at second and third bases are available. Tena and Ramirez are both natural shortstops.

At 63-42, the Guardians have the AL's best record and a 4.5-game lead in the division. With their outfield addressed, they are likely to pursue pitching reinforcements prior to Tuesday's 6 p.m. ET trade deadline.

The Nationals are 49-57 and 6 1/2 games out of a wild-card spot. They've already traded Thomas and setup man Hunter Harvey. Closer Kyle Finnegan could be next to go.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
One would think they would trade for a top starter.

What top starter is available? I could see them going after another bullpen arm and ride the pen through the playoffs.

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Situational hitter. Batting .326 against lefties and .224 vs righties. He's a also a base stealer.

Last year he his .331 vs lefties and .242 vs righties.

Our new Brandon Guyer!

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was reading a thing that said the Sox aren't into trading within division

2 of the main guys who could be traded for... on the white sox..

Seems like no one is willing to budge

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Fedde would have been a good fit.

Crochet, Flaherty, Snell, Skubal, Bassitt, Taillon, are out there.

It will cost but that is what it takes.

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Originally Posted by Milk Man
Situational hitter. Batting .326 against lefties and .224 vs righties. He's a also a base stealer.

Last year he his .331 vs lefties and .242 vs righties.

Our new Brandon Guyer!

I'm curious if the Guardians view him more than a situational hitter. The dude has over 340 plate appearances while missing a month of action due to a sprain this year. I think they want his base stealing in the lineup as much as possible and giving up those three prospects leads me to think they feel like he is worth plugging into the lineup most days. Not sure they would have given up that much for a platoon player.

We'll see.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
Fedde would have been a good fit.

Crochet, Flaherty, Snell, Skubal, Bassitt, Taillon, are out there.

It will cost but that is what it takes.

It will cost and we have already given up some good prospects for Thomas. I think if anything we will go with a less expensive bullpen arm. We are already studs in that department. Add in one more and you don't have to worry about over working the pen. If the starter can give you 4-5 innings, you can shut it down from that point.

Baseball is changing. It's not like the days when Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz could regularly give you 7-8-9 solid innings. Unless the guy is a top stud, managers today hope for 5 innings, then manage the bullpen arms accordingly. You even see bullpen games where managers plan to use 6-7 pitchers hoping a couple can give them 2 innings.

I know the thought is you want to extend careers, but starters today don't have the mentality they are going the complete games. On Netflix there is a documentary on Nolan Ryan....called Facing Nolan. If you have the ability, watch it....it's outstanding.


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IMO the Guardians approach to the trade deadline should be.

What can we do to win the World Series? How can we improve our chances to win in the post season?

The teams who are trying to win will make deals now.

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Lane Thomas in the lineup batting 2nd and playing RF.


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So explain this to a guy who doesn’t follow baseball closely… does someone have to go down now? I don’t see any mention of who he potentially replaces.




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Yes someone had to go down. It was Brennan


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Originally Posted by bonefish
Fedde would have been a good fit.

Crochet, Flaherty, Snell, Skubal, Bassitt, Taillon, are out there.

It will cost but that is what it takes.

It is been said CWS will not trade Crochet within the division and are unlikely to move him anyway. Snell has been terrible this year and is due $30M on his contract next year.I don't see the Tiger trading Flaherty within the division same goes for Skubal. Chris Bassitt is a possibility. He's also owed $21M next year for a very middle of the road pitcher.

Tyler Anderson would be a fit for the Guardians.


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Situational hitter. Batting .326 against lefties and .224 vs righties. He's a also a base stealer.

Last year he his .331 vs lefties and .242 vs righties.

Our new Brandon Guyer!

I'm curious if the Guardians view him more than a situational hitter. The dude has over 340 plate appearances while missing a month of action due to a sprain this year. I think they want his base stealing in the lineup as much as possible and giving up those three prospects leads me to think they feel like he is worth plugging into the lineup most days. Not sure they would have given up that much for a platoon player.

We'll see.

It'll be interesting to see how they use him. Big Christmas to DH and Fry becomes more of a rotational piece? The teams seems really high on Angel Martinez.

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Maybe I just missed it, but on a positive note it looks like we have signed all of our drafted players.

I know a couple of the HS pitchers we drafted were considered somewhat risky since they had solid college offers.


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I just read that Cobb was the Rays 1st round pick in 2006. And who was the rays 1st round pick in 2007?… Vogt. I guess they probably know each other pretty well




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Maybe I just missed it, but on a positive note it looks like we have signed all of our drafted players.

I know a couple of the HS pitchers we drafted were considered somewhat risky since they had solid college offers.

Great observation, Peen. NIL money will make signing draftees more competitive.

Guardians paid more for a few of those pitchers to get them to sign and that's a reason they likely fell in the draft.






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Great point on NIL money. At least it isn't football or basketball where the money really flows. Top baseball commits get something, but it isn't crazy money


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Great point on NIL money. At least it isn't football or basketball where the money really flows. Top baseball commits get something, but it isn't crazy money

Not crazy money, but it does give them something to consider and to leverage when signing. The cousin of a kid on my youngest son's travel team had an offer from both NC State and Kentucky to forgo the draft, enter the transfer portal, accept a full scholarship and was offered six-figure NIL money ~$200k. He was projected as mid to later round pick.

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Jinxed it.


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So happy that the Guardians got Bazanna.

I cannot wait to watch him in the majors.

You never know till a guy proves it but IMO this guy is going to be really good.

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Bibee is a scratch for his start on Saturday. He is dealing with some right shoulder soreness


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Cleveland has 2 of the Top 10 MLB leaders in RBIs at the moment.....Ramirez (2) and Naylor (9).

So do the Yankees and Royals. Those three teams in the AL make up 60% of the Top 10.


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I hope the fans are hanging from the rafters.

So great to see what the Guardians are doing.

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I feel like the guards kind of punted the game tonight against the O's .. as a yankee fan, I wasn't happy haha


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I wonder if the Guardians will call up Bazzana in September?

Most teams bring up a couple high level prospects in September.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
I wonder if the Guardians will call up Bazzana in September?

Most teams bring up a couple high level prospects in September.


They're not gonna jerk with the karma unless they have a big lead -- or lose the lead and need a spark. The only exception would be him beating the leather off the baseball.


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You get to expand the roster.

But yes, it will depend upon what he is doing. Usually they bring up guys that are hot.

I don't expect him to be on the roster in April. But by June he may be on the roster.

He will be on a fast track if he hits.

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Was hoping Vogt would have brought Allen out to at least start the 7th last night. He was only at 84 pitches, had retired 10 or 11 straight batters, and was facing a lefty in Josh Bell. I feel like he would have finished the inning, just my $.02.

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