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Show Grantham the door and bring in Rex Ryan...seriously. This is a good thing thought Vers, the Ravens won't be (assumingly) back in he hunt for the division for another year or two, there gonna have a new coach, rebuilding rosters...etc. 
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Yeah, I hate the Ravens. But, being a former coach........I just can't celebrate a man losing his job. Those guys have families and the job is stressful enough as it is. But, you all go ahead.
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With the kind of money this guys been making and the fact he'll have other opportunities open up for him, I think I save shedding a tear on this one.
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Yeah, I hate the Ravens. But, being a former coach........I just can't celebrate a man losing his job. Those guys have families and the job is stressful enough as it is. But, you all go ahead.
Rex Ryan will be more than fine, he has not been ruled out as a candidate for head coach at Baltimore, he has simply been relieved of his current duties. It isnt like Im laughing at a steelworker with 4 children living pay check to pay check either. He is an ingrained well respected member of the coaching fraternity. Who knows maybe he is actually glad to be out of that situation. As for some of the other, younger coaches... well I do see your point... but my laughter is more towards the Ravens organization and fanbase.
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They need to stay the hell away from Chud, that's all I know.
Mo Carthon is available though
Chud could be promoted to assistant head coach...that might help.
This is true.Remember when we had Davidson as our OL coach and the Jets wanted to hire him for I believe the same position and then the Browns promoted him as an assistant head coach.
No way the Browns let go of Chud.
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Yeah, I hate the Ravens. But, being a former coach........I just can't celebrate a man losing his job. Those guys have families and the job is stressful enough as it is. But, you all go ahead.
If this guy didn't save a couple of his millions that's his issue. 
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Show Grantham the door and bring in Rex Ryan...seriously.
This is a good thing thought Vers, the Ravens won't be (assumingly) back in he hunt for the division for another year or two, there gonna have a new coach, rebuilding rosters...etc.
First, I want to establish that I am not a grantham hater.
but I would not cry if rex ryan is brought in. that guy could learn the 3-4 from romeo and add in his agressive attack style D.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Ok, really stupid question here. You say get rid of Grantham who already knows the 3-4 that RAC wants and bring in Ryan who has no clue about the 3-4 and train him? Are you outside your mind? That would probably put us back at least 2 years. Next year would be Ryan's learning season and could cost us a winning season and you are ok with this? GMAFB.......That is probably the craziest thing I've heard.
So next are you gonna say get rid of RAC and start all over? We have a defense that finally started gelling and looked a helluva lot better the last half of the season than the first half. We had how many NEW players plugged in on the D that weren't with us last year? They got their collective crap together and started playing as a team with some rhythm. Now you are suggesting breaking that up? WOW, this fan base continues to amaze me and scare the hell out of me also.
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I may be because I was up till 3am working last night that I have a bit of brain disconnect. This is what i'm saying: rex ryan is a really good D coach. he's agressive and schemes well, (just calls time outs at the wrong time  ). I think that romeo would be a good mentor for him, and he can blend the best of both D together. I like grantham, I really do. I'm not a hater at all. I'm not advocating that we start over. i'm just saying that I think that rex ryan brings more to the table. just something to think about.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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and one more thing, I want romeo to retire a BROWN
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Vers - you know if you are a decent coach and you are already in the "club" (have NFL coaching experience) and being relatively young. They get good offers. Ryan is a very good coach - he will be scoffed up fast and even might be a candidate for the Ravens HC job.
I was never enamored by Billicks coaching despite my obvious bias towards him.
But I can see him going to Atlanta...it might be a perfect situation for him.
Ryan impressed me this year and he did utilize a lot of 3-4 looks in his D. If we lose Grantham - I'd want him here in a flash. But I see Ryan heading to Miami in some shape or form.
Now considering the age of the foundation of Ravens players. And the lack of Pro-Bowlers coming from recent first day drafts. With a complete upheaval of the coaching staff. This Reeks of a complete blowing up of the team. The Ravens will not have a good season next year + this years high draft pick. Unloading of a lot of salaries for old timers this off season and next. They will probably have a TON of Cap Space in 09. I see them making a quick 2-3 year rebuilding job and be competitive again...assuming they choose wisely. We're not talking about the Bengals here...Oz (again my bias aside, this time positive) is a great FO man! They will be competitive again - we will have 08 then they will be tough again.
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BP, the first half of the season was a fiasco because we had so many new players/injured players that either needed to gell together or others that had to get healthy. The turning point for the D was when Willie McG came back from his back surgery.....their leader was back and they started looking better. I know that this D has been suspect all year but I personally don't think it had as much to do with coaching as it did with new people and injuries. E Wright got hurt and in comes a rookie backing up a rookie. Did we see a drop off at that position with McDonald in? Not really, we actually saw a 5th rounder play his heart out when he had the chance. Peek did better than most expected. The Smith not related twins did one helluva good job imo. Ethan Kelly stepped up into a positioin that wouldn't have been his if Ted Washington was healthy. Bodden has been injured all year and still played his heart out. With little things they tend to add up to what could be considered a disaster by most teams. (new players getting used to the team and others that are injured leaving us little or no depth)
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I don't care if we started to "gell" it's almost the same group of guys as last year except Dline and one CB. It's not about gelling, it's about the coach I'm talking about. How many times did we blow a lead because we were too damn conservative on defense? It's the coach I'm talking about, not the players. The talent is there obviously, it's a matter of getting the coach. We gave up just about 100 points in the 1st 5 weeks. It's the coach, not the players....
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Brownie Points - we weren't conservative on D in the last 4-5 games...We blitzed more n more. Some of it might be due to gelling enabling us to blitz. Some might have been the emergence of McDonald that we could go man to man deep in our CB depth. Some of it might have been where RAC laid into Grantham as RAC wants to blitz more.
All I know is we did blitz more.
Oh, what also I know - we did not blitz well!
I sure hope that we can work on our blitz packages in much more depth and improve our execution considering we don't have to spend as much time as in the past two seasons on our basic D as all were learning it!
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lol.........I know this is a big day for you bro. Vindication at last...hahaha. Your right imo, becasue BB was supposed to be an offensive genius (as was his OC who went to UCLA), but they were just routinely putrid.
The biggest reason he is gone imo is that the Rats needed a new voice, and a new direction. This could open up some of their big time D players to cuts depending on the new regime's scheme.
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This is true.Remember when we had Davidson as our OL coach and the Jets wanted to hire him for I believe the same position and then the Browns promoted him as an assistant head coach.
We promoted him to assistant head coach to keep a team from trying to hire him as their Offensive Coordinator which would have been a vertical move from OL coach. and that, the Browns could not stop.
Offensive Coordinator is not a vertical move from Assisant head coach so the Browns protected themselves through the promotion.
Even if the Browns promoted Chud to assistant head coach that would not stop a team from hiring him as a head coach. That is a vertical move and teams cannot stop a vertical move. The only way to prevent Chud from being hired away as a head coach would be to make him our head coach. But then that would defeat the purpose of wanting him here as our OC.
Chud ain't going nowhere. He's just begun building one of the premier offenses in his first year as an NFL OC. I'm sure he's got his hands full with that and would like to see it through to some serious success. He is a Browns fan at heart.
If the team begins to falter by taking steps backward for whatever reason and whenever that might happen, he may then be looking for another, better opportunity. But right now there is no better opportunity than the forward-headed, success driven Cleveland Browns.
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I'm with atomic here. Ryan is a 4-3 coach. He changed the defense in Baltimore and if he came here he would do it also. Guys like him coach a philosophy, same as RAC. They will coach what they are good at. Would you like to see RAC coaching a 4-3? I don't think so. As for Baltimore, they could go any direction as far as new coaches. Their defense played sort of a hybrid. I got a feeling they will turn over their roster quite a bit over the next couple years. As for Chud leaving, I don't see Savage letting it happen. I personally, even though the defense pissed me off at times, hope their are no changes to our staff. I would like to see the continuity continue. Ther growth of the team is coming along nicely, and I would hate to see it disrupted. The thing with Baltimore right now, is their FAs could be easily swayed to leave, facing a slew of changes in the staff and rebuilding. 
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While I agree that our defense showed poorly for most of the year, it's NOT the defense that's bad, it's some of the pieces that aren't as good as they need to be.
Granthum isn't really doing anything wrong so much as he doesn't have enough talent to excel,,
Give him the weapons and he's the kinda coach that can get it done.. Unlike Mo Carthon who didn't know how to use what he had, Granthum seems to get the most out of what he has.. now give him something that will make his hard work pay off..
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So I'm sitting around the house today,, doing as little as I can and I turn to one of the espn channels for just a moment.. They were talking about the coaching jobs that are out there..
Right now, what is it, Atlanta and Baltimore? Then they discussed Marty S... I won't go into what they said,,,, makes no difference really..
But what do you guys think of Marty going to Baltimore.. don't forget, his old TE is the VP/GM there! And this is the division that Marty started his Head Coaching career in... What do you guys think of that move,, is it possible?
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Granthum isn't really doing anything wrong so much as he doesn't have enough talent to excel,,
Give him the weapons and he's the kinda coach that can get it done..
You state this as fact yet I don't believe you have the foundation to make such a statement after reading you here for years.
I know I don't.
I've wondered the whole season how much of the early poor showing was due to Grantham. I seem to recall RAC having to step in at some point.
I don't know what percentage is Grantham or what percentage is the talent...but I don't know if anyone can say they are totally comfortable with Grantham controlling the D.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You state this as fact yet I don't believe you have the foundation to make such a statement after reading you here for years.
'Hell Rish, why don't you come right out and call me an Idiot already.., don't beat around the bush
Rish, contrary to popular belief by some people on this board (generally about themselves),, there isn't ONE of us that is good enough or has enough knowledge to truly evaluate the good and bad in players, coaches or FO staff.. if there were, they'd be doing it already!
Look at a few tell tale signs on Todd Granthum... a few years ago, Granthum was the Darling of the Coaching staff here.. Many thought,, geez, this guy should take over for RAC... (some thought sooner the better)
Personally, I kinda like his attitude and I like the way his players seem to play with passion..
Then suddenly, we lose a few guys, a few others get injured and what we have left is some youngsters feeling around, trying to find thier way and some guys that may well be over the hill trying to teach and play...
Looking back on this year, I'm trying to figure out how he did what he did with what he had to work with..
The guy didn't just get stupid... coaches don't do that... something else has to happen.. in this case, we lacked talent...or some of the talent was injured.
So what's so hard to figure out about this.. I don't get the problem you are having with me thinking that it's not so much granthum but what he has to work with.
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Give him the weapons and he's the kinda coach that can get it done..
You state this as fact yet I don't believe you have the foundation to make such a statement after reading you here for years.
give him the DLine-weapons and a outstanding young MLB and we'll see. If he can't then, find someone else. That's fair.
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give him the DLine-weapons and a outstanding young MLB and we'll see. If he can't then, find someone else. That's fair.
It seems fair but the problem is, when a group appears to underachieve, there is always a debate as to which players are most responsible and/or is it that the players are underachieving or that the coach isn't planning right or play calling right.. .it's seldom as straightforward as you think it will be.
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I don't have a link for this, but anyone who just watched WKYC sports segment just saw that Jim Donovan received word during the broadcast that the Ravens sought permission to interview Chud for their HC position. Delete if this is inappropriate.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10557861 Ravens to interview Browns offensive coordinator Chudzinski Jan. 4, 2008 CBSSports.com wire reports CLEVELAND -- Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, who turned Cleveland's offense into one of the NFL's most potent attacks, will interview for the Baltimore Ravens coaching vacancy. Advertisement Browns general manager Phil Savage confirmed late Thursday night that the Browns had granted the Ravens' interview request. It is not known when the 39-year-old Chudzinski will meet with the Ravens, who fired Brian Billick on Monday after a lackluster 5-11 season, his ninth in Baltimore. Under the 39-year-old Chudzinski, the Browns had two 1,000-yard receivers (Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow) and a 1,000-yard rusher (Jamal Lewis). Quarterback Derek Anderson, who began the season as a backup, threw 29 touchdown passes. The Browns averaged 25.1 points and 351.3 yards per game. Chudzinski was San Diego's tight ends coach for two seasons before joining Romeo Crennel's staff last January. Cleveland's offense carried the Browns, who were coming off a 4-12 season, to a 10-6 record, and they barely missed making the AFC playoffs. Chudzinski was Cleveland's tight ends coach in 2004 under Butch Davis. Before joining the Browns, he spent 10 seasons at the University of Miami, his alma mater, where he coached Winslow. AP NEWS The Associated Press News Service Copyright 2007-2008, The Associated Press, All Rights Reserved
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