DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus No cameras and filming in section 60.

Unless you’re the trump campaign looking for a photo op with dead soldiers (he once called suckers and losers) in our nations cemetery.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/28/trump-arlington-cemetery-incident-report-filed

“A cemetery spokesperson said federal law "prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate's campaign."

Another federal law broken. Where is this party of law and order?
Pfft …private bone spur is at it again.

As a veteran myself and a member of a gold star family. I find trump’s behavior appalling in all respects.

Yes but you mentioned it was a law. Since when did trump give a damn about the law?

Pictures of Obama in Section 60, no problem. Trump shows up at the cemetery, suddenly the worst thing ever.

The selective outrage is ...typical.

Bash him for the suckers and losers comment to your heart's content. The "law" hasn't been strictly enforced ...ever?

The law probably was enacted more with the intent that the military wouldn't appear to be supporting one candidate over another, and I'm still trying to track down it's exact wording. The media coverage kind of smells a bit like the "military," or at least some individuals employed in its service, has taken a side.

"probably was" being the key part of your post. Conjecture based on your thoughts and feelings.

Yes, you guys are ok with Comrade Stolen Valor.

Since no such no person exists the only comrade on the ticket is the one who tried to overthrow the election and become a dictator.

Couple points you might have missed-
Photos of Obama in Section 60 were from his official acts as president-trump is not president.
Pictures can be taken, however "The source said Arlington officials had made clear that only cemetery staff members would be authorized to take photographs or film in the area, known as Section 60. "

Liberal crybaby tears = more votes for Trump, always. Keep it up snowflakes. 👍

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Out of all of the gold star families there are, how many are they citing to have endorsed trump? Context matters..... to most people. But then you're looking at X for your guidance again.

About sick of this ish too. Walz’s career is in no way stolen valor. You should keep things you know NOTHING about out of your mouth. Where I come from, that’s about as low as you can go, especially without proof.

He claimed to be in a war he never set foot in. He is a liar. He committed stolen valor. All vets should be disgusted with this fake. SHAME STOLEN VALOR

Says a lot about you that you are ok with it.

BS and I’d take any vets word over a MAGAts.

Have you ordered your "I'm Voting For The Convicted Felon" t-shirt yet? Here's the link for you......

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Mug shot and all.

You are in flat denial of the truth. You'd say the sky was green if a libard comrade told you it was. SHAME STOLEN VALOR SHAME.

She’s too busy screaming stolen valor at a very respectable 24 year military career… Smfh, you can’t make this ish up, and holding Trump or Vance up to the same standard of having actual good records like Kamala and Walz do would be beyond conceivable to her and the loonies in camp fascist cult for hate. Truth is, the dem ticket is highly qualified with two remarkable careers and stand up solid people, something the Trump/Vance ticket is completely lacking; character and substance.

Walz straight lied about going to war. That's STOLEN VALOR and an INSULT to all vets. Your ticket is a guy who LIES about his military experience, and a DEI HIRE who can't even come up with a single policy or give an interview because she is a moron. They are incompetent and going to be swept come November.

DEI hire? What a racist comment. But then considering the source......

Is Biden racist? Because he literally tweeted that she is a DEI hire.

/thread

Well done.

Back to my Price Is Right style wheel scrolling.

That's not at all what he said. If he did produce the tweet.

I have posted it before. You can look it up yourself.

Context matters?

This isn't hard. He was there to console the families and show his support. It was an event that Biden, Kamala and Timmy were ALL invited to but were no-shows. Why were they no-shows? Well -- we all know why, don't we? That's your "context". Not very pretty, is it? Now your goal post is "how many of the families supported the only one to show up?" GTHOH with that low-info noise.

Then for the media to stand on the sidelines and try to pin "he's breaking the law" on Trump.

Childish. Crybaby. BS. And everybody knows it. This is a low-info thread to show some Trump outrage -- for showing compassion for fallen heroes. Cannot make it up. 🤣

So since you can't actually address the question you attack me. Typical trumpian behavior. Always the low road with your kind.

Obama was a former President this May when more photos were taken. Like it or not, Trump is also a former President.

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The "incident" was probably the "Arlington official" "making clear" that they'd pick and choose who they let take pictures despite common practice this century being otherwise.

Since I didn't interview the families to see how many endorsed Trump?

Here, let's clear this up, then you can move on to your next non-point.


(perplexity ai)

did all the families support trump being at the ceremony at arlington national cemetery?

Answer

Some families did support Trump's visit. A statement from the families of two Marines who died in the Kabul attack (Sgt. Hoover and Cpl. Nicole Gee) was shared, indicating that they had granted permission for Trump's official photographer and videographer to attend the event3.

The search results mention that Trump was present "at the invitation of the Abbey Gate Gold Star Families to honor their loved ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country"4. This suggests that at least some of the families supported his presence.

However, the search results do not provide information about all 13 families of the service members who died in the Kabul airport attack. The statement shared only mentions two specific families, and there's no indication of the stance of the other families.

The controversy surrounding the incident at Arlington National Cemetery primarily focused on the alleged altercation between Trump's campaign staff and cemetery officials, rather than on the families' opinions about Trump's presence12.

Given the limited information provided in the search results, it's not possible to definitively state whether all the families supported Trump being at the ceremony. While some families clearly did support his presence, the stance of all 13 families is not explicitly addressed in the given information.


There, now what? Did that satisfy your precious "context" argument? I'm not sure how that applied any, but since you implied I was ignoring context, I hope that floats your boat.

So you can point to 2 families out of 13. Yes, that addressed my question. Thanks.

So that means the other 11 didn't want him there??

Is that what you're saying??

In light of new info, it would appear this comment didn't age well.

So you said it, I went out to find the photo you are talking about. The only one I found is of Obama hugging a woman that lost a family member. The photo was taken at Section 60 but not in section 60.. at least as far as I can tell,

The difference here is that Trump was using it as a Photo Op for campaign purposes.. Obama was not. I'm not sure if Obamas photog was even the guy that took the photo... Can't prove it however

The reminds of the time that Obama wore a Tan suit and the right wing nut jobs al all wanted him removed from office for conduct not becoming the President of the US.

I'm saying you were trying to use yet another feeble Twitter post to try and make some kind of point. So I asked you how many families were being confirmed to support this wonderful source of yours. I made no assertions what so ever. I'm still not. All you could come up with was that 2 out of 13 families were actually verified and that really doesn't match the assertion that was intended.

You see I have no idea what those other 11 families have to say about it. Of course neither do you. But then I'm not trying to use some generalization about a group of 13 families based on what 2 of those families had to say either.

Nobody made any generalizations, you're just trying to create an argument where none exists... aka Wednesday.

The "feeble Twitter post" said "families", and showed a letter they penned showing their support for Trump. It's signed by family members that share two different surnames. It was all right there in front of your face. Then you create an argument because you're too tired, lazy or dumb to read the Tweet in the first place.



Here I'll help. This is what you're spending your day arguing about.

This is the latest faux outrage from the Trump haters.

This is why he gets more votes every time you open your mouths.

Of all the things to feed your TDS, this is what you choose today.

And you talk about "feeble".




"We would like to express our heartfelt thanks and appreciation to President Donald J. Trump for his presence at the recent Section 60 gathering, honoring our children and their fallen brothers and sisters.

On the three-year anniversary of the Abbey Gate bombing, the President and his team conducted themselves with nothing but the utmost respect and dignity for all of our service members, especially our beloved children.

We had given our approval for president Trump's official videographer and photographer to attend the event, assuring these sacred moments of remembrance were respectfully captured and so we can cherish these memories forever.

We are deeply grateful to the president for taking the time to honor our children and for standing alongside us in our grief, offering his unwavering support during such a difficult time. His compassion and respect meant more than words can express."

Really? So that's what I'm doing by questioning just how valid that slanted Twitter post you put on the board was? That doesn't sound like the same thing at all.

Yep you came back with your usual trumpian nastiness. aka Wednesday.

Nope. No President has ever done this for campaign purposes. And before you mention that it wasn't for a campaign purpose, his team already posted the photo to the campaign website.

“Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign,”

Pretty sure Obama wasn't doing it for a campaign of his last May. From what I read, he showed up unannounced and planted 200 flags.

It kind of reminds me of it, too. Except it's Trump in Obama's place and left wing nut jobs this time.

When was the law written? When was the last time it was enforced? The world has changed and the media is everywhere. I'm not saying that is a good thing. Yet, selective enforcement to the apparent benefit of one party seems troublesome.

Causing a scene by trying to stop Trump, who had been invited, would seem to be more disruptive and disrespectful than recording a ceremony at the bequest of those involved.

So Biden wasn't campaigning during his visit to Aisne-Marne American Cemetery? link

I suppose he was pointing out Trump's snub for some other reason.

Politicians have been using flag draped coffins and cemeteries for political purposes for a long time. I don't like it. The response here has felt rather disproportionate, though. Maybe it's just the times we live in. But it felt pretty never-Trump motivated rather than the actual actions.

For the record about Obama and Trump both being former Presidents...You are correct. but one of them is running again.

I noticed you glossed over the whole picture thing... Do you have a copy of it that you can show me.. I mean the one of Obama in Section 60 using it as a campaign photo op? DO you have it?

There you go again.

Biden was President.

We need a flow chart. 1. Are they an acting President doing an act within their capacity? If yes, then okay. If no, then 2. Are they doing it for photo op/ campaign purposes? If yes, then don’t do it. If no, then it’s okay.

Trump had the chance to visit Aisne Marne as well during his presidency as we all know.

j/c

It's appropriate that ANC should require compliance to rules of decorum upon all its visitors. If we wish to live in a civilized society,
Hallowed places of national importance deserve the respect from all of us that compels us to do something My Parents required of me, since childhood:

"Be on your best behavior."

As a little kid of 5,6,7 years of age, I understood what was expected of me when I was out in public. 10+ years later, I took a vacation to the 202, in 1978/9 and found myself on a guided took which took me to Arlington National Cemetery- with youthful patriotism, a tricked-out camera bag, and a Canon AE-1 strapped around my neck. The entire point of my trip was to capture the monuments of our nation. To see and capture the buildings/monuments/iconic visuals that I'd seen since childhood, only this time- through my own eyes.

That tour of ANC lasted about 30-45 minutes. We all had real cameras/Poloroids/Instamatics on that tour... and not one of us snapped a single shot.

We may have come from wildly divergent places in This American Life on that day, but we were all willing (on an unspoken. universally-understood level) to subordinate our individual egos/political proclivities to reflect in the solemnity/gravity of place.

We behaved as we were raised.

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It saddens me, to read a current news story like this.
I'm saddened, but not surprised. And that now makes me jaded.


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