For the record about Obama and Trump both being former Presidents...You are correct. but one of them is running again.
I noticed you glossed over the whole picture thing... Do you have a copy of it that you can show me.. I mean the one of Obama in Section 60 using it as a campaign photo op? DO you have it?
You said you found the photo. I never claimed it was for a campaign. Yet, it does speak to who is allowed to take photos. There are plenty of "Army National Cemetery" photos credited to people that aren't cemetery staff.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
We need a flow chart. 1. Are they an acting President doing an act within their capacity? If yes, then okay. If no, then 2. Are they doing it for photo op/ campaign purposes? If yes, then don’t do it. If no, then it’s okay.
Trump had the chance to visit Aisne Marne as well during his presidency as we all know.
Biden was still running for re-election. He wanted to honor the dead, fine. Once he brought up Trump, that's campaigning.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I mean, if we want to create continual obscure talking points for #orangemanbad, at least compare apples.
Bottom line: all politicians are always campaigning. It's literally page one, play one, in every play book.
I haven't dissected this whole thing and have little interest. For undecideds choosing between Trump being evil and dems creating non-stop fake outrage from dust, this barely moves the needle in either direction. Pushing the issue moves it in Trump's -- he's at a cemetery paying homage, a lot of people will have a hard time finding outrage with that if the media keeps up the boogeyman narrative.
The line could be interpreted as gray, but a President has the ability to visit places as part of an official duty. Will it make its way into a campaign and did Biden likely do it at least in part for campaign purposes? Sure. But there's still a delineation when applying the flow chart. The slippery slope on that front is that you could have anybody who is running for president want to have a photo op there, and that's the biggest thing to avoid.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
And that's the thing. I'm not seeing where biden was doing any campaigning. The timing alone doesn't constitute that. He may have been I haven't followed the story that close. He was the sitting president at that time and I didn't see that photo used in any way to promote his campaign. You may wish to take a look at this to see the stark contrast.....
Trump posts campaign video of Arlington National Cemetery visit after 'incident'
The Trump campaign released a TikTok video of the former president's controversial visit to Arlington National Cemetery on Monday where cemetery officials said, in a statement to ABC News, that a photography-related "incident" occurred, leading to a report being filed.
The video posted Tuesday by the Trump campaign captures images of his visit to Section 60 where the alleged altercation occurred, and shows what critics say is a violation of the cemetery's rules.
The TikTok video, which is overlayed by guitar instrumentals, shows a montage of Trump participating in the wreath-laying ceremony, taking photos with Gold Star families and visiting Section 60.
In the video, Trump can be heard making a political point throughout the video -- blaming the Biden-Harris administration for the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. The video is also captioned "Should have never happened," again condemning his political opponent's previous actions.
In the TikTok video, Trump and some of the family members are seen smiling and holding thumbs up as they posed for photos, with overlaid captions claiming Trump didn't lose a single soldier in 18 months, but that a "disaster" ensued after the Biden-Harris administration took over.
There's a lot more to the article about how the trump team had been warned in advance but ignored it. But this is the part of the article that pertains to using this appearance as a photo op to further his campaign. Another strong hint is that trump hasn't shown up for this event in the past two years. He only decided to show up when the gathering was close to the election. I think that's exactly why Arlington warned him about taking photos and videos. Showing up this close to the election the motive was pretty clear to them.
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The slippery slope on that front is that you could have anybody who is running for president want to have a photo op there, and that's the biggest thing to avoid.
Unfortunately, Trump isn't just anybody. He's a former President. He was Commander in Chief.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Arlington National Cemetery routinely hosts public wreath laying ceremonies at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier for individuals and groups who submit requests in advance. ANC conducts nearly 3,000 such public ceremonies a year without incident.
Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption. The incident was reported to the JBM-HH police department, but the employee subsequently decided not to press charges. Therefore, the Army considers this matter closed.
This incident was unfortunate, and it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. ANC is a national shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces, and its dedicated staff will continue to ensure public ceremonies are conducted with the dignity and respect the nation’s fallen deserve.
The slippery slope on that front is that you could have anybody who is running for president want to have a photo op there, and that's the biggest thing to avoid.
Unfortunately, Trump isn't just anybody. He's a former President. He was Commander in Chief.
I don't want to spend anymore time on this because i think Lima again closed the door on the thread, but the operative word there is "was." No more from me on this subject.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
So many circular arguments here, it's not worth the effort. We're arguing currents and formers when Trump is only the second former president to campaign for re-election. The last one was in 1892.
My take is the Tiktok video makes me want to puke. His campaign would have been more effective to say nothing political at all and let family of the soldiers post pics. A pic is worth a thousand words... five words from Trump can ruin all thousand.
Hopefully this will make rules hard and fast and no other ding-dong-degenerate will try to gain politically on the blood of fallen soldiers. At least not on hallowed ground.
This was the Obamas in section 60. This was less than two months before re-election. Nobody said anything because they acted with dignity and didn't walk in with a megaphone. Did it help his campaign? Of course it did.
Sure would be nice to have this kind of class in the WH again sometime before we all die.
Well, when the family of the soldiers blame the current administration for their children's deaths and ask the guy opposing them who is also a President and was the Commander in Chief for a time while they served to participate in the ceremony, it'd be a bad look to say no.
I'm not saying I love it, but the outrage and rhetoric seemed over the top.
Call me a pessimist and from the wrong side of the Army-Navy rivalry, but it feels a lot more like the Army following new orders than the Army suddenly being legal scholars and sticklers for the rules. Butthurt politicians that were asked to stay away not wanting anyone else to get good publicity sounds like a possible scenario to me.
Both sides using soldiers deaths as a political tool is shameful. And both sides seem to be trying to use this now.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Participating in the ceremony doesn't include a TicTok campaign video. Can you show me anywhere that the picture of Obama was tied into his campaign? Used by his campaign?
"feels a lot more like the Army"... And there we have it.................
Donald Trump Arlington Cemetery TikTok Ripped by Ex-Staffer: 'Disgraceful'
Despite federal law expressly prohibiting "partisan political activities" at military memorial services, Trump posted a video of himself at the memorial service on his TikTok account. The video shows Trump laying a wreath and smiling with other attendees. A guitar track plays in the background while Trump gives a voiceover attacking the Democratic Party for its handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
That's what it looks like when a politician uses the deaths of our military for purely political purposes. Hopefully you can appreciate the difference.
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This was the Obamas in section 60. This was less than two months before re-election. Nobody said anything because they acted with dignity and didn't walk in with a megaphone. Did it help his campaign? Of course it did.
Sure would be nice to have this kind of class in the WH again sometime before we all die.
Yes it would be nice.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Yeah, that political tictok video his campaign made and put out right after his visit while attacking the other side in it was pure campaign gold. It was exactly the same thing trump did. Just ask them.
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Yep! Republicans love to bash Obama- remember all the BS about Obama taking guns away....SO silly, one of my favs- Obama's last acts- National Press Corp dinner- he roasted the Donald and the press- he has shown more class in his pinky than Donald Trump has ever had.....youtube his last press dinner, you won't be disappointed.
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
youtube his last press dinner, you won't be disappointed.
That Press Correspondents dinner goaded Trump to do what he's done ever since.
I laughed my azz off at all those clips. Barack Hussein Obama sliced that small man to ribbons, and reduced him to chum.
...and look what has happened to us ever since.
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Of all the choices POTUS44 ever made during his tenure as 2-time POTUS, this is the one that pisses me off the most. He actually gave Donald Trump a visible platform, by virtue of attaching his own personal 'star power' to a vacuous, narcissistic D-List TV near-celebrity.
I blame Obama (in part) for the fact that we are still dealing with this human abomination in 2024.
I don't blame him for executing his epic take-down. As an American who shares a similar origin story, I can empathise why he did it. I mean- it was a "Celebrity Roast" -type setting, after all.
No- I blame him for not seeing The Big Picture in that moment, when he publicly ridiculed a small man with big aspirations and an outsized ego/voice. A person who preyed upon the amygdalas of America's most vulnerable, to gain his voice.
Barack Obama shares his own measure of blame for what we're now seeing, in 2024:
America deserves better than this. America deserves better than the partial product of POTUS44's dumbest decision.
America gets Her chance to prove me right on November 5th.
just when i think trump and vance cant get any lower, they find a way.
i think its disgusting what happened at the Arlington Cemetery, and anybody who supports and defends this trash from trump and vance is lying when they say they support the troops.
you dont support a damn thing but evil. the only satanic and demonic forces i see in politics are within the republican party.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You would think some of the "stolen valor" outrage would spill over into this topic... and yet.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
And once again trump gets away with breaking yet another federal law. But I'm not surprised. He’s pure trash doing photo ops in front of a church holding a bible and this. Pure trash.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Just in case anyone missed trump's campaign tic tok video from Arlington. Here's what using our fallen soldiers for political purposes looks like...............
You would think some of the "stolen valor" outrage would spill over into this topic... and yet.
You would think the libtards would be upset about the stolen valor, yet, they're ok with it. SHAME STOLEN VALOR SHAME LIBTARDS.
26 years of honorable service what exactly did he steal? You seem to be trying to steal his service from him. No shame on anything trump has ever done?
He claimed to be in a war, when he wasn't. Do you understand what stolen valor is? Besides insulting every vet and gold star family out there?
what war did he claim to be in? I suppose loser and stupid are compliments in trump land?
Iraq. He never stepped foot in Iraq. He abandoned his unit before they were deployed.
Umm.. Walz did not abandon his unit. He retired after 24 years and was running for Congress... and could have retired at 20.. but carry on with your drool..
His unit was never given any orders to deploy or even a readiness order alert in regards to a pending deployment before he retired. Not to mention you don't put in paperwork to retire the day you retire. It's often times weeks or even months in advance that you file the paperwork for retirement in the military. Just more lying trumpian nonsense as per usual.
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CINCINNATI (AP) — Republicans are questioning Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz’s military record after Vice President Kamala Harris named him as her running mate this week.
Here’s a look at the issue:
He retired before his unit’s deployment to Iraq Walz served a total of 24 years in various units and jobs in the Army National Guard. But it’s his retirement in 2005 that’s prompting criticism from some Republicans who are suggesting he abandoned his team to pursue a campaign for Congress.
As he ramped up for a congressional bid in 2005, Walz’s campaign in March issued a statement saying he still planned to run despite a possible mobilization of Minnesota National Guard soldiers to Iraq. According to the Guard, Walz retired from service in May of that year.
In August 2005, the Department of the Army issued a mobilization order for Walz’s unit. The unit mobilized in October of that year before it deployed to Iraq in March 2006.
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There is no evidence that Walz timed his departure with the intent of avoiding deployment. But the fact remains that he left ahead of his unit’s departure. In a statement, the Harris campaign pushed back on GOP characterizations of Walz’s service, and also noted that he advocated for veterans once he was elected to the U.S. House.
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Before leaving Detroit, where she and Walz played up their support for organized labor, Harris on Thursday responded to a question about the criticism of her running mate’s record.
“Listen, I praise anyone who has presented themselves to serve our country,” she said. “And I think that we all should.”
Walz didn’t serve in a combat zone Earlier this week Harris’ campaign circulated on X a 2018 clip of Walz speaking out against gun violence, and saying, “We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are at.” That comment suggests that Walz portrayed himself as someone who spent time in a combat zone.
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According to the Nebraska Army National Guard, Walz enlisted in April 1981 — just two days after his 17th birthday — and entered service as an infantryman, completing a 12-week Army infantry basic training course before graduating from high school.
While attending the University of Houston in 1985, he was reclassified as a field artillery cannoneer as a member of the Texas Army National Guard, later serving as an instructor with the Arkansas Army National Guard.
In 1987, Walz returned to Nebraska’s Guard detachment, continuing field artillery assignments while he completed a college degree. By 1996, he transferred to the Minnesota Army National Guard. In 2003, he deployed to Italy in a support position of active military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. But he was not in a combat zone himself.
“Do not pretend to be something that you’re not,” Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance said Wednesday as he campaigned in Michigan. “I’d be ashamed if I was saying that I lied about my military service like you did.”
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Vance enlisted in the Marine Corps after graduating high school, serving four years as a combat correspondent, a type of military journalist, and deploying to Iraq in that capacity in 2005.
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The Harris campaign statement said Walz “would never insult or undermine any American’s service to this country” and “thanks Senator Vance for putting his life on the line for our country. It’s the American way.”
What about his rank? Harris’ campaign has referred to Walz as a “retired Command Sergeant Major,” one of the top ranks for an enlisted soldier. He did in fact achieve that rank, but personnel files show he was reduced in rank months after retiring. That left him as a master sergeant for benefits purposes.
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Minnesota National Guard officials have said that Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy, along with other requirements associated with his promotion.
___ Associated Press writers Darlene Superville, Trenton Daniel and Richard Lardner contributed to this report.
Walz straight lied about his service. He claimed to go to war and he did not. HE STOLE VALOR. Suck it libtards, that's your guy. The one who STEALS VALOR AND LIES ABOUT HIS MILITARY EXPERIENCE.
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