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Originally Posted by oobernoober
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If we start Conklin at LT and Jones at RT with Wills out of the lineup, can that be construed at the FO and coaching staff believing Jones is only a RT?

I would conclude that may be what they're saying at this point in time. That would make this his first start in his second season and I doubt they view him as a finished product at this point in time.

I base that on the fact he only played in 11 games last year and only started in 9 of them.


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I'd go with Conklin LT and Jones RT. Conklin is a better technician
and he is alot more mobile than Wills.

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Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Willis not playing is good news . Why? Cause he on his best day
Is a average LT who lacks fire and love for the Game
He is big cuddlely teddy bear who has been a huge bust

Have you ranked the LT in the league? You may find that Willis is nearer to the top than you think.

Willis is no Joe Thomes, but Joe spoiled many Browns fans into thinking that is the standard!

All kidding aside, good tackles have, for the most part, become very hard to find. Colleges do not use the tackle position the way the NFL does, making it even harder to evaluate. For those fans who think drafting a left tackle in the middle to the late first round is the better option over Willis, they may want to rethink it.

I would pay/extend Jed and then draft/develop a tackle. You'll need a replacement soon for Zadarius Smith and Bitionio too. LT may not be the highest priority needing replacement.

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Originally Posted by oobernoober
Slightly off-topic...

If we start Conklin at LT and Jones at RT with Wills out of the lineup, can that be construed at the FO and coaching staff believing Jones is only a RT?

Or just that Conklin has more experience actually playing on that side? And/or they expect Wills to be back soon? Don't want to disrupt the chemistry?

Hard to tell the exact reason. I'm sure they looked at more factors than we've yet imagined.


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I don't think Conklin is more mobile than Jones, though. Jones really surprised the heck out of me last year with the way he moves, and I'm honestly confused why they wouldn't give him reps at LT.

That said, they probably have... maybe it's just a tough switch for him? I wouldn't have expected him to have a problem with it at all, though.


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To you and Oober, just my food for thought...

When you have a newly-minted "performed above expected" on your ledger, analytics probably counts that as a win and suggests you don't jerk with the karma. I would guess he's done with those reps for the immediate future. I mean, unless they're confident he can perform at nearly the same spread on the left side.

Not to ever say this can't or won't happen. I just think it would be a bad idea in year two unless disaster strikes.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
Slightly off-topic...

If we start Conklin at LT and Jones at RT with Wills out of the lineup, can that be construed at the FO and coaching staff believing Jones is only a RT?

This came across my Twitter feed. There's a section about biomechanics. Sort of a some guys are "ambidextrous" and some guys are one-side dominant. Some guys can switch sides and some guys can't. One leg noticeably stronger, and the other hip has less range of motion to open, perhaps.



Perhaps having to rehab in a sense resets (tries to "reset"/balance) any imbalance giving Conklin an easier transition. You'd think the training staff would try to keep things balanced for everybody, but some may have more inherent/"developed"/"entrenched" imbalances.


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that's the best choice IMO


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I am beginning to develop a bad feeling about Wills.

I don't know him. I don't have any inside information about Wills. It is an observation. His body language and speaking language shows a guy who is lack luster.

He moves slow. He often does not play to the whistle. His play overall lacks consistency.

The press announces that Jed is back at practice. He jumps out in front and says he is not going to start.

I don't know if there were setbacks in recovery from his injury. Normal recovery time for the type of surgery he had is max 4 to 5 months. He is 8 months from his surgery and still not ready?

He often looks like the last place he wants to be is on the field. The impression he leaves is of a guy who does not want to play.

I could be way off base. It is just the vibe he gives.

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Been thinking that for a while. He doesn't have "it."

I think he has the ability, but he doesn't have the drive. There are ample clips available out there where he dogs it on plays.


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When asked about being back at practice.

The first thing he says is I don't think I will be starting. Not " I hope to start but we will see." Not. "I want to get in there but I follow what the doctors tell me."

Whenever I see the guy it always looks like he is in slow motion. He sits alone and rarely interacts with anyone.

I hardly ever see him play to the whistle. I don't see him get downfield and make blocks.

His body language screams unmotivated.

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On the other hand, the coaches and FO must see something in him. Just being a positivity Pete here.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
On the other hand, the coaches and FO must see something in him. Just being a positivity Pete here.

They see the only starter-caliber LT on the team.


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In some ways they painted themselves into a corner with Wills.

He has not played up to where he was drafted. He has played good enough to be average. They could not cut him because they had no better option.

Wills is young enough that they feel he may improve. At the same time he has not done enough to get a contract extension.

Wills gets this year if he does show more this will be his last season in Cleveland.

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Originally Posted by lampdogg
On the other hand, the coaches and FO must see something in him. Just being a positivity Pete here.

You Canadians are always way too darn nice wink

I think oober's right. They see something that they can swallow for now. I think he's out the door after the year is over, unless no other team wants him and he comes back at a VERY team friendly deal, and I don't think the chances of that are all that great.

Also, I just want to remind everyone that I was the first to suggest Conklin go to LT and Jones go to RT with Wills out tongue


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Wills is SLACK. That's all you need to know.


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I'm bummed for Jones that he no longer has access to Callahan. What a blow to our coaching staff.

But the world keeps turning. Wills has had Callahan since he was drafted and really doesn't seem to be moving in any sort of direction. Hope Jones has what it takes between the ears.


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No doubt Callahan was a good coach but I think we are acting like he was some sort of god.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
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No doubt Callahan was a good coach but I think we are acting like he was some sort of god.

I’d wait until after Sunday before making this comment.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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does this mean Newsome might be out tomorrow


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Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
JC

No doubt Callahan was a good coach but I think we are acting like he was some sort of god.

I’d wait until after Sunday before making this comment.

Why?? I'll make it after Sunday.


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
does this mean Newsome might be out tomorrow

No. Ford was brought up for his special teams play


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He lacks the desire to be great and he lacks hunger
People should go by what their eyes tell them.
If the Browns had to do that redraft again
They sure as heck wouldn't draft Wills
He lacks the violent physicality to be effective in
The run game and lacks the technique
To be a effective pass blocker

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I can only go by what I see. I don't practice. I am not in meetings or the weight room.

I can't see what goes on behind the scenes.

The body language of Wills is poor. But what gets to me is his lack of effort on some plays.

I am not a fan of Wills.

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