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Stuff like this is becoming so commonplace that we don't even discuss it on here anymore. On the positive side, the seemingly new trend of charging parents who, by either malicious intent or incompetence, provide the gun to the shooter being held legally responsible is a refreshing step in the right direction. Owning a firearm is a right but also a responsibility, and the former shouldn't exist without the latter. Most gun owners understand this, but the ones that don't literally ruin lives (of the victims as well as their family and friends).

“From my cold dead hands.”

The normalization of mass shootings and school kids being shot is just an acceptable side affect of the right to bear arms. Unfortunate but inevitable collateral damage that pro gun owners unwilling to accept any infringement on 'their rights' .... Murica !

Sad and Tragic. But true.

Meant to add -

82 school shootings in 2023. 35 so far in 2024. Yay ... only 35 - a break through.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1462731/number-of-school-shootings-us/

Good guys with guns always stop bad guys with guns. So the answer has to be, more guns. If everyone had guns in both hands at all times then there’d be less gun crimes… right?!

Bang, bang
Splish, splash
Thoughts, prayers
Rinse, repeat.

Let's all start a new nonprofit:

Kevlar for kids!

The new panic ID badges that the teachers just started wearing in that school sure seemed to help.


Smith said all teachers at the school have an ID made by the safety technology company CENTEGIX wherein they can press a button to alert an "active situation." The button was pressed during the active shooting situation on Wednesday and the school resource officers began "actively looking," he said.

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"When this shooting began, they interacted with the shooter, Mr. Gray, and as soon as they made contact with him, he gave up immediately," Smith said.

The teachers have had the badges for about a week, he said. Aug. 1 was the first day of classes at Apalachee High School.


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CENTEGIX CEO Brent Cobb told ABC News that multiple individuals alerted a lockdown situation on Wednesday.

The tragedy hits close to home for the Atlanta-based company: Winder is about 45 miles outside of Atlanta.

Cobb called the students, teachers and emergency personnel "heroes" in how they responded to the shooting.


"We've seen descriptions of how they've used the platform, and we hope and believe that it had a positive impact in the face of a very tragic circumstance," Cobb told ABC News.

The company said its discreet technology "accelerates emergency response by minimizing the time to identify, notify, and respond to an emergency." The badges, which users tend to keep with their staff IDs, have two alerts -- one to notify administrators to incidents like student altercations and medical emergencies, and a second to issue a campus-wide "lockdown" alert for extreme situations that also notifies 911 dispatch, according to its website. A vibration tailored to the type of alert, as well as an LED, would go off confirming that the signal has been transmitted. The badge would also indicate where exactly the user is on campus for responders.

Most alerts are for "everyday emergencies," such as behavior or medical incidents, which represented more than 98% of alerts analyzed during fall 2022, CENTEGIX found.

Pressing the button on the badge three times contacts administrators, while pressing eight times triggers the lockdown request -- which then also typically sets off strobing lights, messages on computer displays and a pre-recorded intercom message instructing the school community what to do, Cobb said.

"Having those multi-sensory notifications ... that's what gets people to safety. That's what really drives a lot of the lifesaving activities in this type of emergency," Cobb said. "We can't stop things from happening but what we can do is help mitigate the issue."



Stephen Kreyenbuhl, a 10th grade world history teacher at Apalachee High School, told ABC News that he saw his smartboard change to say "hard lockdown" before he even heard gunshots, which gave him time to prepare and start to get students into a corner.

"My co-teacher got the lights. I grabbed a pair of scissors," he said. "We drill it every semester, this whole part of lockdown. So we train it, you know, pretty, pretty frequently."

He said the door was already locked, so no one could get into the classroom.


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Former FBI Agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News contributor, said the locked doors and panic system likely saved lives.

"If you think about how this could be even more dark ... think about if they didn't have the locked doors, think about if they didn't have resource officers in the school," he said. "And these panic buttons saved a lot of time, and, in my view, probably saved a lot of lives."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/georgia-high-school-shooting-panic-alert-button/story?id=113422117

It is sad we can't have a constructive discussion about such things. But it seems the extremes in both directions don't feel comfortable with any common ground on the topic.

You have one side who wants to ban guns.

The other side doesn't even want to make basic gun training a requirement to carry a weapon or have a national background check.

Yet those are the extremes of both sides but their voices seem to speak the loudest.

At that juncture the only alternative left is to have metal detectors at all school entrances and people walking around like guards in a prison carrying guns. Sounds like a wonderful learning environment doesn't it?

The biggest issue I'm seeing in all of this is by and large, these school shooters are all quite young and are either old enough, with no criminal backgrounds, which makes it legal for them to purchases these weapons legally or are getting guns purchased legally by their parents at home.

Many of the things being bantered about by the left wouldn't address any of that. I do believe holding parents who are negligent in allowing their children easy access to these guns responsible is a good step forward.

I also understand why people think calling for a ban on what is often referred to as "assault style rifles" may help. But I disagree. We have more firearms in America than we have people. As sad as it sounds, that cat got out of the bag a very long time ago.

What training would have stopped this? Seriously, what do you think could have been taught to anyone in this that would have kept this from happening? What would that training have looked like? Who would have received it?

Did someone fill out a 4473 for the rifle? There was a national background check.

I don't believe in mandatory government storage requirements, but I certainly believe in you are responsible for your arms AND parents are responsible for their children. I will have no sympathy for the father if he ends up dead in prison if he supplied the rifle.

You are a prime example of the type of person I was speaking of. I was showing the extremes of the beliefs on both sides. And right on cue here you are.

These are the extreme views on both sides which if you bothered reading my post in its context it's easy to see it had nothing to do with stopping school shootings. It has to do with extremists views that we should simply allow anyone that can legally purchase a gun walk around in society with zero training in how to use it. That idea is dumb as hell.

Last year when they investigated the threats by Colt, he told his dad his account was hacked..and his dad went off on the investigators saying them looking into colt was [censored] and he was "a little pissed off". So he goes and buys his son an AR style rifle for Christmas.

Mom seems well educated...way too deep into the meth
Mom filed for divorce a little while ago amongst other things the dad beat the crap out of her


Shocking New Details Emerge About Parents of Colt Gray
Published Sep 06, 2024 at 6:40 PM EDT
Updated Sep 06, 2024 at 10:31 PM EDT

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Widespread interest surrounding parents Marcee and Colin Gray was sparked almost immediately after their teenage son was identified as the Apalachee High School shooter.


Both Colt Gray, 14, and his father Colin Gray, 54, have been charged in the shooting and were both arraigned on Friday. Colt Gray will tried as an adult.

Killed in the mass shooting were students Mason Schermerhorn and Christian Angulo, and teachers Richard Aspinwall and Christina Irimie. Eight other students and one teacher were injured and are expected to make a full recovery.

In a police report obtained by Newsweek, Colin Gray told officials in 2023 that his family was evicted from their prior address in Jefferson, Georgia. He and Marcee Gray were divorced, and she took the two younger kids while he and Colt moved together.



According to her LinkedIn profile, Marcee Gray graduated with a Bachelor of Science and Technology in Industrial Management and got her Master of Science in Occupational Safety and Health from Columbia Southern University. Her last listed work experience was as a Senior Quality Engineer at PCC Airfoils from January 2021 to September 2021.

The LinkedIn profile's picture includes a young photo of Colt and his two siblings. Marcee Gray's bio reads, "Continual improvement is my obsession. People, processes, product design, facilities, efficiency, morale - bring me your problems and I will find a solution."

However, Marcee Gray also reportedly has a long criminal history dating back to March 2007 with five vehicle-related misdemeanors, including reckless driving, improper right turn, and DUI, according to The Independent.


Marcee Gray has reportedly been prosecuted in Georgia counties Barrow, Fulton, and Forsyth for charges including domestic violence, drug possession, property damage, and traffic violations. Additionally, she has faced civil fraud charges related to a vehicle purchase and was in jail in Ben Hill County as recently as April, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

Marcee Gray reportedly pleaded guilty and paid a $600 fine in 2008, receiving 12 months probation and 40 hours of community service. She completed her probation in August 2010.

In 2019, an auto dealer sued her for writing a bad check as a down payment, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.


Most recently, Marcee Gray was reportedly arrested on felony drug possession charges in November when police discovered her in her car with a "glass jar containing a crystal-like substance identified as methamphetamine," multiple outlets report.

The warrant also described the presence of a "red clear baggie with a powdery substance identified as fentanyl," "a clear glass pipe used for narcotics," cyclobenzaprine tablets in a baggie, and the use of a license plate belonging to someone else on her vehicle.

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Colin Gray, 54, the father of Apalachee High School shooter Colt Gray, 14, enters the Barrow County courthouse for his first appearance, on Friday, Sept. 6, 2024, in Winder, Ga. Brynn Anderson/Associated Press

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Colin Gray also appeared in court on Friday after he was also on murder charges stemming from the Apalachee High School shooting.

The father reportedly told investigators he bought Colt Gray the AR-15-style rifle used in the shooting for Christmas in December 2023.

In May 2023, the FBI interviewed Colin and Colt Gray after receiving tips that the teen had allegedly made threats on Discord about shooting up a middle school. According to a police report obtained by Newsweek, Colin Gray mentioned that his son had issues at West Jackson Middle School in Hoschton, Georgia, and later transferred to Jefferson Middle School about 17 minutes away, where things improved.


Colin Gray stated that while he had hunting rifles at home, Colt Gray was not permitted to use them unsupervised. The FBI also spoke with Colt Gray, who appeared "calm and reserved." At the time, the 13-year-old explained that he had previously owned a Discord account but had deleted it before moving in with his father due to frequent hacking. Discord is a platform used for real-time text, video, and voice communication, often by gamers and streamers.

Colt Gray denied making any threats, insisting that would never make such statements, even as a joke. Tips provided included an email address associated with Colt Gray's Discord account. IP addresses from around the time of the family's eviction indicated that the account had been accessed from locations in Fort Valley or Statesboro, Georgia, and possibly Buffalo, NY.

Colt Gray Georgia Shooter in Court
Colt Gray, charged as an adult with four counts of murder, sits in the Barrow County courthouse during his first appearance for the Wednesday shooting at Apalachee High School on September 6 in Winder, GA. AP Photo
The Discord username linked to Colt Gray's email address was written in Russian, with the name translating to "Lanza," which allegedly references Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza. Colin Gray informed officials that his son does not know or speak Russian.


Investigators concluded that there was insufficient evidence to substantiate the claim that Colin or Colt Gray was responsible for the Discord account.


https://www.newsweek.com/colt-gray-parents-apalachee-high-school-georgia-shooting-1950182

I have also read a couple stories the last week about teachers taking kids cellphones and locking them up during school.
That is going to be problematic during an active threat whether it be a weather event or more likely a violent threat.

There was a lot of kids videos on social the last couple days from that school...lot of trauma

but we have tots and pears to pull us through

So attack the messenger instead of answering the questions?

Again, what training do you think could have stopped this incident? Do you have ideas or is this another one of your "you people" rants to get your fight thrill in for the day?

I don't think any training would have stopped this incident.

That makes it no less of an extremist idea that people in our society should be able to walk around with a loaded firearm with zero training in how to use it.

Sadly context escapes you. I'll give you the quote in the order it was posted to try and show you what the context was. Maybe that will help but I highly doubt it because it was pretty obvious to begin with....

I certainly agree with you. There is one big problem to consider regarding that however. Many small towns and rural school districts simply don't have the funds to accomplish that. They can barely afford to keep their schools open as it is. Metal detectors would be the most simple way of helping cut down on guns entering schools. That however would require one at every entrance door to every school in their district. That's a very expensive undertaking for many of these rural school districts. Now don't misunderstand me here. I don't believe there is any cost too high to protect our nations school children. But the reality is unlike the federal government, these districts can't simply print more money.

There are certainly some measures they could implement to help. First they could mandate clear book bags. It would be very hard to sneak a gun into a school in a book bag school officials can see through. The only other method to insure students don't carry weapons into school on their person in lieu of metal detectors would be to pat down every student or person outside of the faculty who enters the school. That would be a very timely measure to take on a daily basis. Could you just imagine the hell some parents would raise over that?

The federal government could fund metal detectors in every school in America but I'm pretty sure you would hear some complaining about the federal government interfering in local school systems and how that is communist.

Yet like a good little bot you jumped straight to training and background checks and yelling extremist. Just like the party platform tell you to do.

You yet again confirm you don't actually think for yourself and are told what to do.

Someone posts something that has merit and you go straight to the how it can't work pitch. It isn't government mandates on individuals so it can't work. There is an over abundance of money being dumped into schools now, but they can't seem to find a way to pay for some equipment? Sounds like it is a problem they don't want to solve.

Just a general observation and question.

I've been told a million times that a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun! (or something like that)

But when do that stop him... Before or after a number of people get shot?

We are on the subject of Georgia,, so, 4 people are killed by this kid, then a couple of Resource Cops stop him, No question they appear to have done an excellent job. But that didn't stop the deaths of 4 others prior to them catching the kid?

SO, how does this work?

There has been another mass shooting tonight in Kentucky on route I 75. They just come on the police scanner and said the suspect bought an AR 15 this morning and 2000 rounds.

Don’t know yet how many have been shot

Deterrence.

Nothing's going to prevent people from killing each other with 100% effectiveness. Where there's a will, there's a way.

But knowing a target is "hard" rather "soft" may lead most to decide that it's too risky.

On the other hand, "Gun free zones" are more or less advertising vulnerability to disturbed individuals. If someone is willing to kill people, they're probably not overly concerned with committing "lesser" crimes.

If someone does go over the edge, a "good guy with a gun" is the quickest way to limit the body count/stop the "bad guy."

Sadly humanity keeps finding more efficient means of killing each other. Pandora's box has been opened. Guns aren't going away.

People are horrible to each other now. As a result, some are going to snap. We need to address that. It's a violence problem more than a gun problem. (widespread emotional/"casual" "violence" leading to outbursts of extreme "physical" violence.)

Shootings are the extreme symptoms of a much more pervasive "disease." If guns magically disappeared from the face of the earth, people would still find different ways to kill each other. There are plenty of other methods that could have high body counts. We've got high schoolers making their own nuclear reactors as science projects now.

I hate that this is the way it is. But it's not something that can just be legislated away.

Jc

So the kid was investigated by the freaking FBI over threats, and dear old dad decided to buy his kid a rifle…..

That’s some great responsible gun ownership we always hear about.

And you don't think at all. If in fact i allowed the left wing to tell me what to think I would be yelling for gun bans. It's extremists like yourself that have no concept of what a middle ground looks like.

Yes, clear book bags and metal detectors in our schools are such horrible ideas to mandate. Just keep letting them get slaughtered must be your answer.

So now there isn't a problem with funding. Go get you story straight before you disagree with yourself. You, yet again, show you are just here to argue.

While you follow me around like a lost puppy. How can there be a problem with funding when the idea has never been proposed to congress? Oh, you mean how poor school districts can't afford the cost to pay for metal detectors at every entrance door to every school in their district? As I have shown, congress could pay for it. Their state could pay for it as well. Just because the local school district themselves can't always foot the bill, depending on how high of a priority our children's lives are to politicians, they can and should find a way to pay for it. Pay closer attention next time.

jc

so the mom called the school to warn them about her son and his intentions 30 minutes before the shooting. he lives with his dad and the mom lives out of state. so what did the school do within that half hour?

Detterence? Do you think this kid in Georgia didn't know that they have guys in the building? He had to know!

Will we ever be able to stop a person with a desire to kill? That is for sure questionable. But should we just accept it and not do everything we can think of to try and stop or Curb the killing? You talk to some of these MAGA types and the answer to that isn't clear at all. Are they afraid that the NRA will pull their political funding? I believe so. Try anything,,, ANYTHING you can think of. If it doesn't work, move on to the next idea, and the next and the next. But offering thoughts and prayers is NOT ENOUGH.,.

As for people being horrible to each other, Yeah, they are., Wanna know why? I'll give you a hint. Americans OVERWHELMINGLY elected a Black President. That just pissed off a bunch of folks. Then you get a Bigoted Jack Wad running who starts a conspiracy that that Presidents birth origins and to add to that, he spews Racist troupes blaming every alien for perceived problems and there you have it.

Some on here will say that he wasn't racist..,, They'll point to one thing or another and say, see, he's not racist. His actions prove otherwise.

Ban all MAGA guns and fix 90% of mass shootings.

Put libtards into camps and fix 90% of the countries problems.

Yet another infantile rewrite of reality from you. I wish I could be surprised, but this is what you do.

Oh, the irony.

And yet another one.....

Nothing about the topic? Just attack the messenger. Typical. This shows people all they need to know. You're not here for a discussion on the topic at all. As far as reality is concerned you can't see reality when it smacks you in the face. Any actual comment on the topic for a change? I didn't think so.

Do you think having metal detectors at school entrances and requiring students to have clear book bags are good methods that may work to help reduce school shootings? Try to focus on something besides me this time. I know how difficult that seems for you and some others but at least give it a try.

I said enough about the topic and you went with "follow me around like a puppy" but you don't attack the messenger? More infantile reality rewrites.


I wasn't the one who poopooed metal detectors, go back and read what you wrote. I don't like clear book bags as students need privacy. They may need things that other students shouldn't know about, such as medicine or hygiene products. Metal detectors would mitigate the need for clear book bags.

So still nothing about metal detectors. What I said about them was they should be prioritized and installed in schools. I also stated that many school systems couldn't afford that cost which is quite factual and that funding would have to come from somewhere else. Now please show anywhere that I "poopooed metal detectors". You won't find it.

As far as clear book bags go I'm more concerned about stopping children form being slaughtered in our schools than their privacy. It's all about which one is higher on your priority list. You made yours as clear as the book bags we are talking about. Worrying about children's privacy is how parents never find drugs in their rooms or these manifestos warning of future school shootings. That's why most people understand it's the adults who are supposed to be in charge.

You really cannot understand how forums work? I already addressed metal detectors, so you spinning your alternate reality is just you wanting to argue.

Parents have every right to check children's rooms, and bags and everything. Unless of course they want a different pronoun, then we need to hide the children for their own good. Oh wait, you wouldn't think that now would you? You can't even keep straight what you might or might not believe. Of course when you fight the post dead in front of you without worrying about anything you might have said in the past it is understandable.

If you need clear book bags to keep children from leaving home with weapons you have already lost the battle.

So where did I poo poo the idea of metal detectors again? So since you can't back that up you try to twist a topic about school safety to prevent school shootings into the topic of sexual identity? You may fail to recognize how ridiculous that looks but other people see it plain as day.

And of course clear book bags where school officials could easily identify a gun is a terrible idea? Try to stay on topic this time.

"There is one big problem to consider regarding that however. Many small towns and rural school districts simply don't have the funds to accomplish that. "

You go straight to "the one big problem" but it is likely you forgot you even said it since you your points are always fresh and contradictory so you can last post.

In regards to clear book bags, will you require clear clothes too? Please tell me you aren't one of those idiots who carry in a fanny pack.

Try again. I said it was the answer but poorer school districts themselves couldn't afford to pay for it.


Nothing about stating that school districts themselves can't afford to pay for it indicates it can't be done. Just that you need to find a different method to pay for it than putting that burden on local school districts. And about those clear book bags................

More Schools Adopt Clear Backpack Policies to Prevent Gun Violence

The new policies requiring students to only carry clear backpacks were announced in Virginia, Texas, and Georgia.

https://www.campussafetymagazine.co...policies-to-prevent-gun-violence/135640/

2024-2025 Clear Backpack Requirement for Grades 6-12

Mid-Del News

https://www.mid-del.net/article/1642652

Seaford School District to Require Clear Backpacks Amid New Security Measures

https://www.wboc.com/news/seaford-s...373b986-2e76-11ef-8278-63eb37cc7407.html

And her I thought since these measures weren't something you could scream "mah guns!" about you might actually care about trying to protect our nations school children.

Stopping the general public from getting their hands on an AR, the weapon of choice, would be the first best step. JMHO.