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we've had tough losses before (the past few years) but I always thought our guys were together and fighting and well prepared

I feel the opposite tonight. I feel like there's a big disconnect with the offensive identity

And seeing other teams in the league makes me feel like we aren't even close

First off, quit whining about Callahan.....we didn't let him walk, he wanted to coach with his son.

KS got schooled by Brian frickin' Daboll. I'm still wondering how Daboll ever landed a HC job. You could tell the game was over when that penalty took away our turnover and the Giants marched right down the field. Totally tanking after an early momentum shift ala the Houston playoff game last year.

I agree. KS got out coached big time. The Giants had us in jail on offense an exposed our pressure on defense. It was one of the first times in KS career that it was THAT noticeable

The whole thing was painful to watch. Before halftime, I was hoping that Jameis would start the second half. At least we can't be 0 -17.

Speaking of rollercoasters...are we, as a fan base, still fluffling DePo? Berry laser eyes?

As a whole, I'm not sure I've sensed a more disengaged fan base. Boo birds were out early and often today. There were some, "we want Jameis" chants.

Personally, and I have said this before, I do not think the Browns will ever win anything with the Haslams as owners. Any fool can throw piles of cash at a problem.

Watson's postgame outfit was a hoot!

A couple of observations.

The OL is a problem.

The Browns are beginning to witness the effects of trading away all those draft choices for Watson, who has been less than average.

The defense is respectable, but when the offense can’t move the ball, they will wear down.

I hear you but it is easy to look back and say what we should have or could have done. We could do that for darn near anything we have done in our lifetime.

I’ll add to this that there were a ton of empty seats and a ton of Giants fans. Three games into a season following a playoff season…thought that was really strange.

Disagree on the Haslams…I think. Really depends on what is happening behind the scenes. If Haslam didn’t or doesn’t have a meeting with Kev/Berry after yesterday’s game re-emphasising his expectations, then the org is devoid of leadership from the top down. It would basically be Kev and Berry are running the show, just got nice extensions, and don’t feel any real pressure to win. That’s how Kev coaches and that’s how the Browns play.

I have pretty good seats to the game this weekend and don’t really feel like going. I could not be any less excited to deal with the crowds and traffic and idiots to watch a team that isn’t that fun to root for. Would rather sit on my couch watching redzone.

Speaking of OL, any of the OL experts want to comment on how Zinter performed?

From my untrained eye, I think our OL actually played its best when Teller and Wills exited and we went: Bitonio-Pocic-Harris-Zinter-Jones

K S Has to be held accountable for this mess .
So Amari Cooper manned up this week and admitted he was not practicing as hard as he should have been . The coaches were letting this happen and he took it upon his self to fix it and he did . This begs the question of are we just going thru the motions in practice and is the coaching staff accepting it .
We are only going to get better with practice and that does not seem to be happening . Practice is not overrated . We need work.

I think we can all agree that practices (namely training camp) were a joke. The team is so soft and unprepared in basically every facet

Dawand Jones definitely has been a disappointment. He seems slow and heavy. Maybe he was too lazy this offseason or gained too much weight or something.

Wills can't leave town fast enough. He wants nothing to do with being out there

On a related note…Several players and Ruiter have come out and said they hadn’t seen those looks by the Giants and no one knew what to do during the game.

Coach. Of. The. Year. Baby!

And yet we had 3 opportunities with late drives to win it and screwed it up. This loss is totally on the team and the coaching. We're in for a long season but at least we'll have a HIGH #1 pick next April!!

there was a play in the 3rd quarter where the Giants DL/LB stunted and pressured ... and our OL was literally standing flabbergasted. I just had the thought of "man, the Giants have our offense in hell"

This offensive line is in serious trouble. Getting older on the inside, injuries, and Jones is a shell of himself from last year. Almost all of the sacks should be blamed on them. There were only a couple where I thought Watson held the ball too long.

WR are still dropping the ball. That Tillman drop was egregious.

Watson is still inaccurate.

Penalties continue to take us out of drives.

Nabers is an awesome WR.

j/c…

we should ditch any notion of long, developing plays. Our WRs can't separate, Watson is inaccurate, and the OL can't hold up

I would go old school jumbo packages and live out of that stuff. Buck the idea of spread .. it isn't going to work

surprised we aren't the worst

I turned it off at halftime and instead went outside to seed a pasture. WAY more enjoyable. driving in circles and getting covered in dust than sitting on a comfy couch with refreshments but having to watch THAT.

The team that I saw yesterday MIGHT beat the Commanders, and it MIGHT beat the Dolphins. Every other game on our schedule, as of right now, is a Loss.

Callahan left for the Titans to coach with his son who was named HC of the Titans. Stop trying to rewrite history..............

Browns losing offensive line coach Bill Callahan, who will join son on Titans' staff, AP source says

By Associated Press Cleveland
PUBLISHED 9:30 AM ET Feb. 02, 2024

What You Need To Know

Offensive line coach Bill Callahan is leaving the Cleveland Browns to join his son Brian's staff with the Tennessee Titans, a person familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press on Thursday night

Callahan has informed the Browns that he's taking the job, said the person who spoke on condition of anonymity

The elder Callahan had been on coach Kevin Stefanski's staff in Cleveland since 2020

Brian Callahan was recently hired by the Titans, who fired Mike Vrabel on Jan. 9 following consecutive losing seasons

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2024/02/02/browns-losing-bill-callahan

Exactly what I’ve been saying. No identity, no team speed, and horrible talent acquisition

We should just come out this week and announce that we are tanking. At least we have a plan, and might help our trades if we announce a fire sale. None of what I am seeing makes sense or warrants repeating same garbage for a few more weeks. Who do you like next year. Solid chance we may not win any more games.

Andy Dalton put up 350 yards, 3 TD, and a 4 score win over the Raiders

Watch Watson (and our offense) lose to them

It's about time. That makes one out of three.

the fact we gave up a 2nd round pick for Moore is really not a good look

We did it!

This is often overlooked. Horrible trade.

well, at least we won something

We're just sticking to our strengths.

That is not a slogan.

It is a lifestyle.

Being a Browns fan is always an adventure.

Except we got Moore and the Jets 3rd round pick for our 2nd. Not exactly giving up a 2nd rounder for Moore.

What irks me Moore (LOL) was using our 3rd round pick on that bust from Auburn and we could have had Nico Collins. Nice job Andrew...

Presumably, the talent is the talent going into any new season. After that, everything starts and ends at the HC - Stefanski. A good HC will do pretty much whatever is needed to win (see also Tomlin last year firing his OC mid-season); Stefanski only seems to do what keeps his ego intact and is unwilling to entertain coaching options to put a better product on the field. Stefanski doesn't adjust mid-game, he is horrible at clock management and he has very limited situational awareness. I cannot even state that there is any level of team grit due to Stefanski's style and apparent lackadaisical approach to the team - He's like Hue Jackson v1.5...ugh.

I think that as long as the Browns have Stefanski on the sideline, fans will only see the Lucy / Charlie Brown aspect of the team. Flacco was lighting in a bottle in that he made the offense run in spite of Stefanski.

Just an opinion.

I think we can all agree that KS is not a very good HC and a borderline OC at best. But he and Berry got new contracts and allegedly everyone gets along in Berea. Haslam continues to make money off of this dumpster fire. As long as those two conditions are true, nothing is changing. So Browns fans, continue to embrace the suck that is the product being put on the field. It is what it is. A freaking mess.

The talent on this team is real. We have a lot of good players and a team that, on paper can play with anyone. We did it last year and this off season only added to it. However, no one really knew how DW was going to play and how poorly the O-Line was going to be. DW was the big wild card and so far, we all see what's happened. If the O- Line was healthy it would be much better. Our 5 starters haven't played together since last season. They were pretty good then before all the injuries. I don't think our FO did enough to address the OL for this year. Not enough good depth. Maybe there is a coaching problem but that's a matter of conjecture. As always I will hope for the best but right now, I'm not too optimistic. Yesterday's loss really hurt a game we should have won.