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Waltz seems nervous.
Vance started off with word vomit.
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Walz should have pressed Vance on why he said we should support our allies but he actively does not support Ukraine.
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Waltz seems nervous.
Vance started off with word vomit. Vance started off strong. Watlz said "fundamental" about 20 times in 30 seconds. He can't maintain a line of thought.
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I will say this is more substantive at least than the presidential debate…so far at least.
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No answer for Trump pulling out of the nuclear agreement.
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Doesn’t the country always put the people first during a disaster? What’s Vance talking about?
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Vance is smart and a good speaker. I can get behind him.
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I like Walz comments on climate change and our investments
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I will say this is more substantive at least than the presidential debate…so far at least. I agree.
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Bro Vance entire strategy is to not answer any of the things that’s came out of his and his boss’s mouth.
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Walz actually handled that border issue well. Vance did not have much response to the law that Trump shut down or the fentanyl stats. Word salad in response. That should have been a winning topic for Vance.
I will say Vance has the tougher job in this debate because he has to account for Trump’s liability.
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Vance is very polished. He is such a better candidate than Trump. I wish the positions were swapped.
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Interesting angle by Walz trying to say Vance wants to solve an issue but that he can’t do it by standing with Trump. I did not expect that.
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That could never happen with Trump. If Vance had actually stuck to his guns and not been opportunistic, I could have at least respected him.
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Walz is showing why he was the best pick for VP
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Did Vance just say that Harris’ economic plan was a good one? Basically he said it’s good but she hasn’t done anything like it? As VP? I’m not sure I understand the angle.
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He got off to a rocky start but has settled in.
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Saying the economist don’t have common sense or wisdom isn’t the best way to build bridges.
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Vance is so polished. Walz is whiny and talks like a beggar.
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What experts is Vance talking about right now?
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Vance is definitely ahead on polish but he’s behind on substance.
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I actually wish that both tickets were flipped after watching this so far.
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Walz actually handled that border issue well. Vance did not have much response to the law that Trump shut down or the fentanyl stats. Word salad in response. That should have been a winning topic for Vance.
I will say Vance has the tougher job in this debate because he has to account for Trump’s liability. I'm not watching it. But, you, a Kamala supporter, dissing someone on 'word salad'? Please. Your queen is the epitome of word salad.
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Vance is way better at this than trump. Even if you know who Vance really is, that was some good work right there.
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I expected better from you, arch. If considering Kamala the lesser of two evils makes me a supporter, so be it. She definitely has had issues with word salad, but that doesn’t mean Vance can’t either, can it? Or should we “whatabout” this into oblivion?
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Yeah that last response was a well done job by Vance.
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Oooo, there’s about to be a bunch of pro-lifers ticked off with that one.
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Walz actually handled that border issue well. Vance did not have much response to the law that Trump shut down or the fentanyl stats. Word salad in response. That should have been a winning topic for Vance.
I will say Vance has the tougher job in this debate because he has to account for Trump’s liability. I'm not watching it. But, you, a Kamala supporter, dissing someone on 'word salad'? Please. Your queen is the epitome of word salad. While we’re on it, you associated me as a Kamala supporter and that I consider her my queen. Please show me one post of mine where that can be inferred? Not liking Trump does not make me a supporter of someone else, let alone holding her up as a queen. Good grief…
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Oooo, there’s about to be a bunch of pro-lifers ticked off with that one. I missed it. What happened?
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So far, apart from whatever I missed, I think both showed strengths and both showed weaknesses. It’s better than I thought it would be I must say.
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Oooo, there’s about to be a bunch of pro-lifers ticked off with that one. I missed it. What happened? Vance defending trumps flip flop on abortion bans, and agreeing with Walz that someone who died due to lack of access to care is a good reason to support abortion access.
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Vance with an artful dodge on the gun violence question regarding parents. I do agree with him on increasin security and resource officers but that involves spending.
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Vance with an artful dodge on the gun violence question regarding parents. I do agree with him on increasin security and resource officers but that involves spending. everything republicans and democrats propose involves spending, right? republicans would do so much better if they would just admit that.
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i swear to god Walz better not have lied about his kid witnessing a shooting. he already had to painfully admit he lied about the china story.
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This gun control and school violence topic has actually been a wry good debate between both. I was worried Vance would dodge, and he did a little, but I thought the discussion between both ended up being great.
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Yeah the China discussion was BAD.
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I think where Walz is flopping on the home affordability is that he’s rightfully attacking private equity…….but he’s not talking about how to effectively combat private equity. Giving people money for housing won’t disincentivize private equity from its mission to turn us into a nation of renters.
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Both of these dudes are better than their counterparts. Trump/Harris is such a bad choice.
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