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This team is absolutely atrocious. Changes need made.

Why am I wasting my Sundays like this? That's my post game thought.

Fire Berry & Depodesta

Today.

Browns average 15 points a game. Laughable.

Its time to end this charade that this team is going anywhere.. Berry/Stefanski were given a playoff roster by Dorsey and have made it worse every year. We finally have a first round pick and I don't want Berry anywhere near this team next year. Stefasnki continues to prove he doesn't have the acumen or the ability to do two jobs. He sucks at both. You cannot assume players drafted will develop under Stefanski, none have. The only good players we have were brought in before they got here or were drafted by someone else and we signed via FA or trade, even those players seem to get worse coming here. So yes, while we aren't Hue jackson bad, we aren't much better and its time to blow it up and try again.. Washington was in the same boat.They went through 4 years of mediocre coaching and drafting, decided enough was enough and blew it up.. Now look at them

We have a lot of issues, and it starts with the qb. Watson is done, cooked, finished. It's obvious to all but the ignorant. Stick a fork in him. Get him out of there. If somebody's trying to save face because of what he costs, they need to go too. I quit watching before the half because I knew it wasn't getting any better.

The hardest part of this is to admitting own mistakes and being brave enough to move on to the next challenge.
Both Berry and Stefanski’s CV isn’t good enough to be part of a new rebuilding and that’s’ why they fear to do something.

Joe Flacco 33-44 359 yards 3 TD.

Watson is not a quality NFL QB

That is all you need to know.

It’s beginning to look like not just a bad season but a “people be gettin’ fired” kind of season. This was a people be gettin fired kinda game.

I truly believe there’s good to be taken from anything including horrific games and bad seasons. At least you see in stark black and white who is failing and who may be worth saving. But sometimes it’s SO bad it starts to look like a clean sweep is in order. I’m not willing to call that yet be weeeeeee’re getting there!

Lets tell the truth... there is change that is needed within the coaching of the team... The Stefanski/Dorsey playbook is basic.. Greg Olsen said as much ALL GAME. Watson, should be sat down. Berry should answer for his crap draft picks. Schwartz defense is not tackling well and other than Garrett, Ward, Delpit, JOK, who else does anything???

A few years ago, Houston was in the abyss. In comes the Browns, season ticket holders and all to save Houston from the abyss. The Browns, and their season ticket holders, are Houston’s heroes.
We took the most controversial, proverbial villain off Houston’s hands, and gave them three first round picks in return. “Oh Houston, we know that the nfl is image conscious and will never let this guy experience success let alone be the face of a franchise, but please, let us make your problem turn into our problem.” “Our season ticket holders won’t care. Those idiots will support the Browns regardless of the on field product.”

And it worked. The Browns strategy to save Houston and ruin the Browns has resulted in Houston being 4-1 with a franchise qb while the Browns have regressed to the expansion days.

Houston owes the Browns season ticket holders a debt of gratitude.

- The offensive line is bad.

- Watson is absolutely terrible. They will keep trotting his out there. We'll hear about the locker room splitting soon. They've already to have a players only meeting.

- Watson coupled with this OL is a formula for horrifically a bad offensive. The ineptitude is borderline comical.

- The Browns were 1-13 on 3rd down. Washington was 8-15.

- More dumb penalties that either killed drives or extended drives for WSH.

- Schwartz's defense is looking less and less impressive with each passing week.

- Forcing Dorsey's offense on this team is looking dumber and dumber. Firing the the offensive staff after a successful performance last year is classic Browns.

- Nice TD drop by Jeudy. What was the point in rushing to sign him to a contract extension?

- Stefanski and Berry may not make it to 2025.

- Coach Kev says, "we're a solutions based team." Ok buddy.

Cheers: Bojorquez.
Jeers: The entire Browns organization.

The Eagles are going to destroy this team next week.

Go Guardians!

Watson and Stefanski do not work together. Never have, never will. One has to go.

Sadly, due to monetary reasons, one is much easier to get rid of it - and it will be the wrong choice.

Which is exactly why I expect that to be the answer.

Oh sure, in the interim we might try Winston. He's.....not good, and that's not going to be any better.

Four most important positions for a football franchise:
Owner. Haslam = awful.
GM. Berry = below average.
HC. Stefanski = average to slightly above average.
QB. Watson = terrible.

That adds up to a losing franchise.

The offensive coordination is uncoordinated. Noone is on the same page. That is coaching. The "new" offense is a cluster. The defense???

While we are in that ballpark, let us have a frank accounting. After weekly losses, and Ski pointing out what needs fixed, and "it will be!", I think we were worse than at first game. What have we fixed? Tackling? Penalties? Playcalling? Tackling? Cushions? How about HEART? We seem to have about five players showing some mental toughness. But a bunch look like they surrendered. We need a leader. We are not hard-nosed enough and aren't competitive individually. Why some of this goes on week after week is a central issue. I do not see anything as better. Watson doesn't have game for us. Only part of it is his fault.

I honestly can't even believe how bad we are. Players are quitting too, which is the turning point for any coaching staff. I can't think of one positive thing besides Bojorquez

Out of Berry, Stefanksi, and Watson. Only one was considered top 5 at the position they currently hold before coming here. Yes Watson has struggled, and in a vacuum he looks like the problem. But objectively, you look at this offense as a whole, bad playcalling, no discipline, worst Oline ever assembled(tim couch never got sacked at this rate), wr who statistically are the worst in the NFL at getting separation and lead the league in drops.. No QB is going to be successful behind that. So we have a chicken/egg situation. The simplest solution, Bench Watson and let Winston play since the season is officially over. Watch the same things happen except watch the turnovers increase because noone does it better than Winston in that area. So what will that tell you..A guy who had a 103 rating over his career and led the league in passing yards all of a sudden forgot how to throw? Or do we have bigger issues contributing to it looking like that.. My vote is the latter. Seems to me KS has issues with all his QB's that spend enough time with him.

Switching gears to what I believe is the biggest issue on the team. Andrew Berry. The guy has no credentials to take over for a guy like Dorsey. He's been horrible with the cap, the contracts he gives out, and his drafting is worse than any point I can remember. I can't think of one player he's brought in that could be considered top 15 at his position, even top 20 would be pushing it. He refuses to admit he can't draft WR or even trade for them and have them be good unless they have already been to multiple probowls. Our LB corp is still the weakest unit on the team behind Oline. Zinter is the Guard version of Hudson. Emerson is a bust, Jok makes a couple flashy plays but gets destroyed 80% of the game. Our safeties suck. I mean He was handed a team that was stacked and just had to tweak a few areas to fix some gaps, but he's taken that team and made it worse every year. Letting stefanski call plays again this year should have not happened. He does not have the credentials or success to do that. But despite all that, he has proven to atleast be able to guide the team to wins despite all the dearth of talent and depth. I think KS the HC is serviceable. I think KS the OC needs to give up the duties.

I think you pair KS with a good GM that has a proven track record and allow him to rebuild the roster, KS can be successful. Problem is they are all tied together at this point and we have alot of players like chubb/garrett/bitonio who are at the end of their productive years. So theres more holes to fill. I don't see how any staff survives doing what we've done.

I agree. I'm as disgusted with this team now as I've ever been and that's saying something. First week of October and the seasons over. Inexplicable!!!

We’re a top QB and an OC away from winning like last year. Season is over without drastic changes and a QB switch or 5. At least Chubb will be back in a week or two, then maybe we can break 20 points in a game.

On the bright side, we looked so awful that I took off at halftime and got in a round of disc golf. I had a wonderful afternoon.

The Cleveland Browns: Blowing It All Up annually since 1999.

This offense is as bad as watching the 1999 offense, and I'm not mad or anything right now. Just depressed, because there's actually some talent on this team and it's being wasted by poor coaching, a bad qb and probably the worst scheme in the league. I just want to throw up watching Shotgun the entire game.

Stefanski may be calling the plays but this is definitely not his bread and butter. What a mess we are in.

The saddest part for me personally was all those disagreements we had about Watson on this forum and on other social media platforms.


I’m just disappointed. Tired. I had so much hope about the future when we first appointed Stefanski and Berry but intelligence and diplomas means nothing without common sense and integrity.

Why did we fire Van Pelt? Why did we hire Dorsey?

I know it was to cater to Watson but we had an offense that was working. I like Stefanski, I hate to see him go because of Watson and Dorsey. It really bums me out.

I'm very worn down too. It's not the end of the world, but it feels like we were climbing the mountain and got pushed all the way back down to the bottom ... with no hope in sight

Getting rid of Mayfield and keeping Stefanski was the biggest mistake the franchise has made. How anyone can defend Watson is ludicrous to me.
Might as well tank this year (if we weren't already). Draft a QB with our first pick, please!!

We have SO MANY needs beyond QB too, which is the depressing thing. OTs, aging OGs, CBs who have regressed, decimated front 7, WR who is checked out

Yep, we have a ton of issues aside from QB. Unfortunately the owner, GM, and coaching staffs are not found in the draft.

An electric QB can turn around a franchise pretty quickly, but we need smart personnel people to make the decisions on building the team. Currently we do not have those people.

As long as the current management/coaching is in place, we have ZERO chance of competing for a Super Bowl.

Not taking the preseason seriously got us off to a really bad start, and that is the coaching staff’s fault. The offensive line seems to be loaded with guys (except Bitonio) who just won’t play through injuries. The receivers are all terrible, except that the one guy proven to be good in the past has completely fallen off the cliff. The defense stopped working hard after looking good for a few games early last year. And the biggest problem is the QB. He is not even backup-level competent.
We should just give the keys to DTR and find out if we need to use our pick on a QB or if he can be the future. I doubt that he can. Stefanski is like one of those pitchers who wins 18 games one year, 6 the next, then 15, then 5. I don’t think you fire him, though. He’s not terrible, and teams that stick with coaches usually get better.

This is a real issue and why winning this year was paramount. Cooper will be gone next year and that WR room looks pitiful. OL needs completely overhauled. D-line is old and on a bunch of 1 year deals. Chubb may or may not be back next year. Emerson and Newsome were both supposed to step up and make it a difficult decision on which player to extend. Both look replaceable. JOK is the only LB and his play is inconsistent.

This team also has a lack of depth and very little young talent due to farting away draft picks.

The magic 8 ball says: Outlook - grim.

On an unrelated note, hope Charley Hughlett is ok.

good points milk ... and I saw hughlett down and hurt, which made me upset too

I went to work today and unfortunately dwelled on the game and feel really bummed out about our Browns. It's just so deflating. Our QB sucks, offensive line is weak, running backs are blah at best and defense isn't cuttin' it so much this year. There is more to complain about but that's it for me, I'm gonna take a shower and go to bed. I'm glad they let me out of work early (a rarity).

I zeroed in on our OL today more than usual. A few thoughts (and some of these we already know lol):

- Zinter is horrific .. literally no lateral movement
- Pocic is overpowered with any type of bull rush
- Wills is perhaps the laziest and most apathetic OL I've encountered

If I could have my pick of 2 things that I think could potentially turn this around. First would be Fire Berry/Depo.. they are killing this team by not drafting and then you go out and have to spend in FA or trades just to get depth when good teams do that through drafts and develop them into starters. They have handed out some horrific contracts and have us on the verge of no more road to kick that can down when it comes to the cap. The second thing I do, make stefanski give up playcalling. If he refuses, replace him as HC as well then Mike Vrabel is sitting there. He simply can't do both. Not saying its Dorsey, because I'm assuming alot of this offensive staff will be replaced next year. Good chance Callahan will be one and done in TN so I'm bring Bill back at all costs. But Ultimately thats what I would do. This roster has gotten older, thinner, and more expensive every year while going backwards in performance and not recognizing the gift he was given with flacco. A QB that can make this offense watchable and a guy a team can rally around. You job is to do whats best interest of the team, not care about feelings..You've made it clear thats how you operate with how you handle Baker and Cooper. So why not Watson. Bottom line this team needs an infusion of depth, youth and skill players. Berry has had plenty of time to bring any combination of those and has failed, and Depo with his analytics don't work. Steal someone from Bal/Pitt front office. They have it figured out.

well, I think the Watson trade/contract/playing time/Dorsey hire/etc ALL comes from Haslam. It's tough for me to lay blame on the GM or HC when I don't know how much they even wanted Watson (or want to keep playing him)

I am done watching the games on Sunday until further notice. I will catch up on the DVR. They are terrible and not going to get better.

Pretty much the same players and starters that we had last year when Flacco came in off the couch and learned a whole Offense scheme when he went 4-1. Watson is 1-4.

I did not watch the post game interviews but was there ever an explanation of this? This was just SAD.

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