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Is he not cut out to be an OC or is he handcuffed by KS? He didn't last long as the Bills OC, had a good season then imploded......2-4 his last 6 games there. The Bills are 8-2 since firing Dorsey, and that's including the playoff loss. Prior to that, he had a decent stint as a qb coach in Carolina and Buffalo before the Bills promoted him. I realize it's early in the season, but holy crap has the Browns offense looked incompetent.

I am not an NFL expert and don't know a good candidate from a bad one really, but I had some major red flags when he was hired. Bills fans HATED him. They felt like the offense totally regressed

I truly felt like our offense was fine last year and the issue was injuries and a poor QB, which a new OC will certainly not help

I wish we'd revert back to the true KS system because we at least seem best suited for it .. besides Watson of course

Our offense is an identity mess

The Browns won 11 games last year and now this O looks like a shadow of last year. I'm beginning to think it may be the FO who handcuffed KS. At this point the biggest question I have is who was it that actually made the decision to bring new coaches in on the O side of the ball?

I'm trying to think of it from a coaching perspective

- we have a bottom tier OL (injuries and age have ravaged it)
- we are missing a top tier TE and RB (arguably both the heart of the offense)
- our QB can't push the ball down the field, can't read a defense, and is paid a quarter of a billion dollars


that's a lot to overcome .. and KS has proven to be able to make due with some poor circumstances and get the m out out of average type QBs

Does he have his faults? of course ... his training camp stuff is a big red flag to me .. but he's also not the worst coach in some ways

To my uneducated eye, our offense looks like multiple different parts that we're trying to fit together but can't. Everything just looks out of sync.

Parts that used to work now aren't. The interior line looks to have regressed significantly, and (for a while) Cooper couldn't catch.


Even without the benefit of hindsight, I don't know why we decided to bring in Dorsey and redo the offense. Seemed needless even at the time.

I agree. With KS first few years the offense looked connected and with clear purpose.

It looks like a jumbled mess right now

The Bills have put up 34, 31 and 47 points in 3 games and are 3-0. We have put up 17, 18 and 15 points and are 1-2.

The Bills don't miss Dorsey AT ALL.

Stefanski had his Franchise QB to fit HIS system last year. Flacco. Pure pocket passer who is accurate, can read Defenses and throw receivers open. Watson will never work with Stefanski, imo. Square peg in round hole concept.

The money doesn't factor in the O play. The rest I can agree.

Deshaun Watson Film breakdown week 3

After watching this its almost impossible to know where to start, they're all equally bad.

The pocket collapses so many times that my eyes hurts.

There's no plan to counter the Giants blitz, its just the same playcalls over and over again.

The whole offense seems to not be on the same page.

Watson don't read the plays in a structured manner, he just randomly decides to look att one side and that's it.
No reading left to right or vice verse, he don't even seem to see when his WRs is wide open and when he does he throws the ball everywhere except in the hands of his receivers.

His receivers sometimes looks like headless chickens. Most running routes seems unstructured or without a purpose.

Who's to blame?

Dorsey? Absolutely!

Stefanski? Definitely! He's the play caller and when things go so bad it's his job to change things.

Watson? He looks to be totally without self confidence, almost shy/scared. His readings is none existing.
His timing and footwork is out of sync. I almost feel sorry for him. He's a shadow of himself.

The O-line? it's so bad that we can only laugh.

What to do?
This is a collective collapse.

We miss our star TE and RB, that's hard to overcome.
We have injuries but that's doesn't explain everything.

I honestly don't know, this's above my pay grade.

Really you had two home games and lost them both. Really the Browns were being out coached in those two home games. One year the coaches do great work over in a winning year like last year but now is doing lousy work in a 1-2 so far season you are having.

the inability for us to adjust to the Giants OBVIOUS defensive approach was a head scratcher. Especially with KS past with screen play and misdirection stuff (that was what we were GOOD at in his first 1-2 years). Very aggravating

One or both. He's got to go. His name's on this pathetic excuse for an offense. Time to make a statement, or otherwise it looks like we're OK with this garbage. It's not a knee jerk reaction when it's this bad in week 5.

Blaming Dorsey for this offense is like blaming the band conductor on the titanic. He’s not in charge of any of it. If you want to blame a coach other than stefanski, look at Dickerson and Staley and whoever the wr coach is, because all three of those units blow, but stefanski is calling the plays and it’s his offense. If it was Dorsey and stefanski didn’t like it, he would simply go back to his offense. That’s not the case

Receivers get open. DW just can't find them if they aren't the first read. IF he finds them, more than 10-12 yards downfield, it's anyones guess where the ball will be.

Look, our o line isn't great. But today, on first and second downs, when passing, DW had time. The blocking was good. (most of the time) Third and long washington blitzed. Wouldn't you?

DW can't read a d, and he runs way too quick. His play here has been pathetic, and that's being generous.

If firing Dorsey improves our record as much as it did for the Bills, we'd be stupid to keep him. I have yet to see what is "new and improved" in this offense. Watson should be inactive, benched, moved. Just not worth losing for. KS is putting up expansion stats. What recommends his play selection. WE had, I think, ten series in a row where first down was a run up the middle and put us behind the sticks for third and long. He stares down one receiver holds the ball. Today was Cooper only on many plays. This lunacy that passes for offense as called to dumb down for DW should be addressed and fixed. If this is what we hired Dorsey to bring, it is a fail. We have not corrected much. Where do you see us in ten or so games? I am worn out hearing how KS takes some blame, tells us how it has to improve, and he has to coach better. Tired of his platitudes which he must feel is all better. Season is shot. Wasted it. Some ships never can be righted, especially if you carbon copy your mistakes to produce future losses.
I believe that what we see will lead to further injuries, players leaving, and dead locker room chemistry.

Dorsey's not just an innocent bystander in this. We replaced VanPelt with him to improve the offense. It's worse, a lot worse. He's not calling plays, but he's supposed have the offense organized and ready to carry out the game plan. He's clearly failed. This is his second failure as an OC.

none of those things were true.. There was even an article that said our WR have the least separation in nfl.. and Cooper was like dead last. Our oline would need to improve 100x to even be considered bad. DW was either hit or sacked on over half of his dropbacks.. thats not having time. But I know all the Watson haters will never blame anyone other than him.. Like someone in gamechat actually blamed watson for the dropped TD by Jeudy... So the only solution is to start someone else so we can see. But If he's so bad and its clearly just him, why haven't they made the change yet knowing the season is slipping away? I'm thinking they know its not just him.

you say that like its factual.. we have no idea how much impute Dorsey was allowed to have. .By all accounts he gets alot of credit for the growth of allen in buffalo. So more so as AVP, he's a QB coach with OC title. I don't think he does much at all in that realm

Yeah difference is Dorsey was calling the plays there and it was his offense.. its not here and he isn't

People wanting to blame Dorsey and think he should be fired. But his first year as OC they finished 2nd in points and 2nd in yards. Stefanski has never even come close to that. in fact we are usually in the bottom 3rd. the highest was last year in points mostly due to flacco coming in and lighting it up. So Just because you want Dorsey fired(when its not his offense) lets not pretend we had this juggernaut offense every year with stefanski. What we are missing is a viable run game.. if we had that the whole dynamic changes because now we have PA.. we can't even call that because it fools noone.

I dunno, the commentators were showing tape of Browns game during the rain delay tonight, and were showing open WRs and Watson just standing there until he got taken down. They were literally saying look at all these open receivers! Watson doesnt look for any of them!

Yeah, not a difference with same outcomes. Change QB's

My only question on Dorsey is "Can we put him on the field"?

Maybe, but I've watched alot of All22 and thats the exception not the rule.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...re-browns-receivers-creating/ar-AA1rl71Y

Where do you get the "all 22" film? If it's available, give me a link, I'd like to watch it.

What I see, from different angle replays, is dw staring down R1, then scrambling. And I can see a lot of times r2 or r3 open. Dude just doesn't know, or isn't capable, of dropping, looking, then changing where he looks. R's are open. he's not finding them.

And, he can't 'anticipate' a throw. I'm sure, with your knowledge, you know what that means, right? If not, I can educate you.

And "throw someone open"? Not in his dictionary.

yeah I'm sure you could educate me..lol.. not even a little. FYI the All 22 is on NFL+. but i'm sure you knew that with all your knowledge. Throw him open.. you mean like Jeudy yesterday when he dropped it? countless others .. Can't throw anyone open that can't get separation.. I"m done arguing with watson haters. you all will hate regardless what he does.

I like Dorsey the man, but I still want proof Dorsey the OC has a clue.

I'm sure he would be an improvment at LT or RT

there are plenty of videos and clips on the internet of guys being open down the field (multiple on many routes). The problem is our QB

If you can't, when watching the all 22 tape, see that receivers are open, I can't help you.

dw cannot see it either, because he locks in on one, then runs into a sack. Period. The end.

Do drops help him? No, of course not. But the number of drops compared to the number of wide open receivers on other plays, proves that dw can't read a d, can't anticipate, can't read a d, and of course his accuracy in passing is on par with - not one nfl quarterback.

I've said this before, but the other alarming this is that he seems to be getting WORSE. He's no better than he was in his very first start for us 2 years ago

He's had his worse games this season, for sure... but outside of the Tennessee game and the one Baltimore game, I don't think his body of work was that much better prior to this season.


What's horribly/shockingly worse is the play of those around him. Remember our arguably-best-in-the-league offensive line? Those guys are all still here, believe it or not. Wills is dinged and Conklin probably died at some point at the end of last year and nobody realized, but otherwise our Oline is the same as it was before. Especially that interior line that's been getting manhandled the past few games... same all-pros from before. Remember sure-handed Amari Cooper? Remember our #1 D? Those are all the same dudes that were balling up until week 1 of this season.

Watson sucking really isn't all that surprising... it's the play of the rest of the team that's got me shaking my head. I'm not saying that to excuse Watson, but there has got to be something else going on to have such a talent-laden roster all individually playing so poorly.

it raises the question: do the other players (even BEFORE this year) just know that he sucks? Maybe that realization is a reason that they play with no energy

Just another conspiracy- driven thought. Maybe the Browns tophats knew how bad he would be and kept him out of games, practice, limited reps, etc. to hide it until too late (start of season). Maybe tanking with DW is a way to salvage some high-pick draft capital back. That seems stupid, but it does look like what we are seeing. A broken QB, lousy offense, poor D that will collapse from injuries and too many reps. Insistence on not changing QB. Churning the roster so you look busy. Bad ju-ju. I tried to make this a ridiculous point, nonsense, but it feels so weird, look elsewhere. Maybe we can just quit at the bye. . . .

At some point when your field general fails his troops it has a ripple effect. All of these players didn't just miraculously forget how to play the game and Stefanski, who took a QB that was on the couch last season to the playoffs didn't suddenly forget how to coach during the off season.