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We missed the wall.

Not with Ski giving up play calling. It’s the Dorsey show now.

My signature refuses to die.

j/c...

I hesitate to post anything from Roberto Shenanigans...but this is pretty a wild comment from the co-host of Cleveland Browns Daily to make on his other show.

There were rumors flying that it was Winston that called the ill-advised jet sweep to Tillman and did not call the play Stefanski had sent in. Just as Winston had done when he was with the Saints. Stefanski grumbled after the game that that play was a "communication error." This past week DTR was elevated to 2nd string QB and Winston was listed as the emergency QB.

**Again, rumors** But this is very interesting comment Beau Bishop made. I imagine it will blow up and he'll have to address it on CBD.

The definition of a leadership being dysfunctional is to make a decision that it's hard to understand why, it's hard to figure out who made it and why it's done now?
Simply put the decision creates more questions than answers.

If this's a owner decision then the organization has a skipper and first mate with their hands handcuffed on the commando deck...... and we all know how that usually ends.

It's a head scratcher ... or a sign of desperation ... or a sign that someone has lost confidence in KS ... take your pick.

As other shave pointed out Dorsey was brought in for Watson - losing Watson and now switching to Dorsey to call plays seems counter to what you'd expect. While I have called for KS to not call plays on gameday for years - back to when AVP called a really balanced post season game that KS missed (due to Covid?). I don't personally think KS would give this up voluntarily because it's been a talking point every off season since year 2 or 3 under Baker - and I don't actually think KS would do i to throw Dorsey under the bus... so on balance it seems like a move born of desperation. I don't think it will make a ton of difference - if it does maybe it'll secure the nail in KS's coffin as play caller and possibly as HC?

I guess it gives us a reason to watch the Browns this weekend in a season that otherwise feels as if the fans have lost more interest and are showing more apathy than ever before - even when we we're int he midst of 1-31

Good point. I also think much can be gathered over the remainder of the season.

In the short term it might indicated the players we hope to trade. Winston playing as an example could be a showcase for a trade. DTR on the otherhand isn't ready to showcase and Berry loves the guy, so he isn't going anywhere.

In the longer term it could show if coaching changes are in order. With Kevin out of the play calling picture, we can find out if he can pull the locker room together, because it isn't together.

Zappe will be interesting to watch. I think he has some ability. If he steps in after another game or two and looks decent, he might become our bridge to another QB., or even more. He has had up and down numbers but on the whole, they aren't all that bad over a fairly large sample. Good enough at least to show some ability that could be groomed.

We'll see.

Ahh, yes, so much for Jamis was the right QB for a backup going forward.

My signature is prophetic.

Prophetic? That's what 99.995% of all Browns fans feel/felt.

I think Chubb back, Winston starting and Stefanski turning over play calling is cause for some hope.

It’s really hard to understand.

Floyd was reporting that its a precursor for KS losing his job. I think its too little too late now. But it might be a last ditch effort for KS to save his job, if the offense still sucks, then KS can say look...its not just me, our talent sucks (and it does)

I hope they turn it around and win some games, I don’t want to see Stefanski fired.

browns place JOK on IR .. that's really too bad

Hopefully he won’t miss more than four games but he’s a big part of our D. The neck can’t be messed around with.

Under the new IR rules, a team can only bring back players (8) times per year...the same player can be re-called twice. We have already used (5). Hughlett, A Wright, Harden and now JOK are the most-prominent guys on IR at the moment. One or more aren't coming back this year. Half the season remains...this could get interesting.

I wonder if that ^ is why Hines wasn't activated...we have plenty of RBs already.

Yeah Hines was basically squeezed becaouse of that

j/c...

Chubb looks like he has a long way to go

the goal for Chubb (fortunately, or unfortunately depending how you look at it) is to be about 50% of his old self. He's not going to have the break away speed anymore

But, I think the last half of the year is important for him to get through, improve, and then have a full offseason again

David Njoku possibly on the move at the trade deadline.

what contending teams could use a solid TE?

Colts to pair with Flacco?

Eagles since Godert has been hurt?

Commanders? hmm

Didn't think of this possibility. Sure hope not though....

To get something you have to trade something.

Njoku could probably garner a 4th round pick. Of course, it would be a late pick because it would be a contending team.

I can see him ending up in Washington. They are a TE away from having a really dynamic offense

I could see someone potentially overpaying for him, so if that's the case then I guess I could get on board. The problem I have is that group is truly a 1-man show. With Njoku gone, our #1 TE becomes Akins (?). Yuck. That's definitely 1 of the few ways that we can make our offense even less dynamic.

Also, with us shipping out the majority of the talent in the TE room, and with our run-game being how it is, the KS 2TE run-heavy offense is totally off the table.

While that's true and I agree, we never seem to "get" much when we use the picks we get in excahnge. The odds of getting something as valuable as Njoku with a second or third round draft pick isn't good. And we would be VERY lucky to get a second rounder for him. A third round or fourth round pick in exchange would be far more likely. That makes the odds of getting a player as good as Njoku with that pick a huge long shot.

I know that you can use those type of picks to move up in the draft but it seems like too little to accept for such a valuable commodity.

That's the thing about having fire sales. Everyone knows you're having one which puts you in a position of weakness.

I agree with that Pit

We need to establish who our core players are going forward and build around them.

Right now I see Njoku as one of them along with:
Myles
JOK
Hall
Delpit
Jeudy
Tilman
Jones
Chubb


Other guys I wouldn't trade because I think they may develop we won't get much back in trade are:
Diabate and Reid at LB
Thrash and Darden ar Wr
Mcleod, Hickman, Bell at S

Anyone else would be gone for the right price

Tillman has been a bright spot. Ideally our WR corp should't be THAT far off with Tillman, Jeudy and one more young pick

Nice post but I see you didn’t mention an O-lineman. We might get another year or two out of Joel. Teller is in his fifth year as a Brown after his stint in Buffalo, Conklin is injured a lot but he’s good when he’s available.

We have to focus somewhat on OL next draft, just get a solid guard or centre to develop. I hate bashing Nick Harris but he doesn’t seem stout enough. Picnic seems to be solid enough.

I don’t think we’re in line for a total tear-down, but a significant re-tooling.

Once again QB uncertainty is our big issue.

If he’s elite, I might consider drafting an RB high, and we will draft a CB.

None of us know exactly where we'll be picking but top 8-10 at worse is a pretty sure bet. Wherever it is if we are not all in on a QB that might be there, I would take BPA especially if it's an OT, DL, LB, safety edge rusher and maybe a TE depending on what happens with Njoku. Basically, any position where we have a player rated high. We need to infuse some talent.

Unfortunately, there's nobody on the line that's untouchable.

I think it really depends on how big of a rebuild we are about to embark on.

I did mention Jones - referring to DeWand Jones
I think he could be our LT of the future.
I think he struggled early being out of shape
- which I attribute to the injury preventing him from being able to train but not affecting his ability to eat

As for the rest of the o-line - I would trade any of them.
I love Bitonio but he probably only has a few years left

I like Tellar but I gthink when he becomes a fa he will be asking for more than we are willing to pay for an OG

As for Chubb, he will probably be better next season than this season
Though agree he likely won't be what he was.
I just don't think getting rid of him would be fruitful for an already tenuous fanbase/team relationship

on offense I would try to keep Jones, Tillman, Jeudy (we have to basically), Pocic .. who else? Our G's are so old, Conklin/Wills most likely gone, Njoku older/maybe traded

that part of the team will look vastly different in 9 months

I know it seems like Njoku has been here forever. But he was drafted at a very young age. He is only 28. There's still at least another four or five good seasons there. There's a chance it may be even more than that.

The more I think about things like this and how hamstrung we are by the Watson failure, I half think that the 2025 season will be a tear-down to reset our Cap situation and acquire some Draft capital to then restart in 2026.
I would definitely prepare for 2025 to be middling-to-ugly like it is now.

I think there's a good chance next year will be a 2-3 win season. We are going to strip it all the way back down circa 2017