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Ok, this thread has the potential to go sideways. willynilly

I’m going to make a bold prediction. We have historically bounced back after humiliations. DW’s most recent case is settled. As much as he claims he doesn’t hear it, acknowledging that he doesn’t hear the criticism means he hears it. If he has any ability to snap out of it, and reclaim even a wisp of the QB he once was, this is the game. Because the Browns are just so freakin’ random, I’m betting this is close or even a W. I’m also predicting our first game over 20pts.

34-17 - Pumpkins (yea yea, I know)

If it’s the more likely outcome of another humiliating defeat, benching him becomes much more real IMO. Not sure it’ll happen yet but it’s another decisive data point. Because of the money and all the implications and knock-on things that will happen after that, they’re going to give DW every opportunity to sink or swim before making that move. So the only “loss” in my mind is a narrow defeat where he plays relatively well compared to his recent games but still not good enough to be the difference maker. It’s like a straddle option, anything that’s pretty decisive or definitive and lends confidence to future decision making is a good thing IMO.




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Eagles are well rested, fully healthy, had a week off, playing at home ... AFTER we have had 2 away games in a row and are in shambles

Eagles 30
Browns 10


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Not sure how to expect something different than what we have seen.

I respect KS. I think he is a good head coach and a proven play caller in the NFL.

The play of DW cannot be overcome. If he plays the way he has. Not much can be done. Three and outs wear down defenses.

Missing open receivers in critical moments loses games. Inability to lead in crunch time ends in losses.

Until there is better play at quarterback. The results will not change.

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31 to 16 or thereabouts, Eagles on top. Of course I hope I am wrong and we win.

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The situation has all the hallmarks of a game we have absolutely no business winning, so either we will play out of our minds and pull off the stunning upset.... or, we'll simply play like we have and be routed before halftime.


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I wonder what the plans are?

Given the results of the first 5 games I do not think you can go into the game this week without planning for all possible outcomes.

If DW is playing adequate ball and the game is close. You leave him in.

If at half the team is down two scores and has shown no improvement on offense. You have to sit DW.

You have to see if Winston can ignite the team. If DW is benched in this game. There is no turning back.

You cannot go into next week facing the Bengals at home and start DW. The boos will be on megaphones. It will be brutal. The fans don't want this guy. They are done with him.

DW has to play himself out of trouble. And he needs to do that in the first half.

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I'm not sure how anyone can be convinced that they would pull DW during this game depending on the circumstances. If they didn't pull him after last week and give Winston the week to prepare with the starters, I have no idea what it would have to take to put watson on the bench. All the proof they could possibly need to pull watson has already been shown to everyone and still nothing. I don't believe this FO is willing to admit their mistake quite yet.


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I also have questions and doubts.

That is why I think the decision makers who were all a part of bringing DW to Cleveland should meet and prepare for what is coming.

No different than a game plan. "If this is the situation; then this will be the response."

You must prepare for all scenarios and have a plan in place.

If DW plays this game like last week and he plays the entire game. Can you imagine the reception he will get at home next week?

It will be brutal. You cannot expect the team to not react.

The press conferences will turn hostile. The whole thing will become toxic and intolerable.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
Not sure how to expect something different than what we have seen.

I respect KS. I think he is a good head coach and a proven play caller in the NFL.

The play of DW cannot be overcome. If he plays the way he has. Not much can be done. Three and outs wear down defenses.

Missing open receivers in critical moments loses games. Inability to lead in crunch time ends in losses.

Until there is better play at quarterback. The results will not change.
I will agree with you on most of what you said. However, I do not feel KS is really a good head coach. He does not seem to have this team ready to play. Further, he doesn't really show any sense of urgency on game day. He simply doesn't strike me as a leadership figure. I also do not believe he has a say on DW playing. Looking at the film you have to conclude that DW just doesn't have what this team needs. I don't know why nor do I care. All I know is that IF KS has say on who is playing QB, then he REALLY shouldn't be the head coach if DW keeps going out there. If the Browns really want to play winning football, someone else needs to be under center. I would also scrap Dorsey's offense and get back to what KS has to offer. As for Sunday, it's going to ugly. Good day to do something else if you want to enjoy your weekend. SMH


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I'm certainly not informed enough to know what's going on inside the Browns brass, but I think if anything it would be more likely they would pull him after the game going into next week rather than during this game. But who really knows? Certainly not me.

For me the saddest part of this narrative is I am at the point the #1 reason to continue following this team at this point in the season is to see what unfolds in regards to all the drama with watson. Most of us have a pretty good idea that this season isn't really going to go anywhere. Sure, it's quite possible Winston can win some games but with the strength of the remaining schedule a playoff spot is almost certainly out of the question.

So as of now the most entertaining story lines are when will they pull watson and how much difference will there be with Winston starting at QB?

And we're only going into week 6 of the season. rolleyes


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So he forgot how to coach since last season when he helped lead the Browns to the playoffs with a QB they pulled off his couch?


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You are certainly entitled to your opinion on KS.
"he doesn't really show any sense of urgency on game day. He simply doesn't strike me as a leadership figure."

That is strictly a personal take. it does not mean it is accurate.

He cannot be what he is not. He has to be KS. He leads his way. If you were privy to what goes on week to week inside the locker room. You may have a different take.

How would he display urgency to you?

I guarantee you the players know how he leads. And how he imparts urgency to the team.

KS is a get up and go to work guy. Work leads the way. Not the obligations of press conferences.

Head coaches are workaholics. It comes with the job. How they lead is an individual thing.

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Cleveland fans have always wanted a hot head on the sideline to turn into angry dad and reflect how they’re feeling when things are going badly. They think that cartoonish football coach blowing his stack cliche is what real leadership looks like. Personally I don’t want the general of my army ever drunk on his emotions. I’ll always take a level headed cool cucumber, Tom Landry type thank you very much. Especially when things are going badly. You need the center to be steady.




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Nothing left to do but watch the train wreck slowly unravel week after week.

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It is so true.

They want spit flying and arm waving. Like that is what makes a head coach.

This is professional football not a made for TV drama.

Paul Brown was a teacher. Tony Dungy was not known for screaming. Belichick wanted execution from each player.

Head coaches have to be true to themselves. What counts is knowledge and experience.

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27-10. We may score on our first scripted possession and then get a garbage one late.


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When looking at the forecast the map is indicating the game will start with a slow but steady smattering of boos. As the deficit strengthens and increases we will see the boos increase until there are torrential downpours of boos. Expect severe leaving early as fans try to escape those downpours by hitting the exits early.

Forecast; The chance of booing stands at 80%. The chance of a loss also stands at 80%.

Stay tune for updates at 11:00.


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The Eagles skill guys are probably the best we'll have seen by far. That doesn't bode well.

And all teams have to do on defense is blitz/stunt and we fold like a cheap suit. The recipe is very simple


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by 10YrOvernightSuccess
Cleveland fans have always wanted a hot head on the sideline to turn into angry dad and reflect how they’re feeling when things are going badly. They think that cartoonish football coach blowing his stack cliche is what real leadership looks like. Personally I don’t want the general of my army ever drunk on his emotions. I’ll always take a level headed cool cucumber, Tom Landry type thank you very much. Especially when things are going badly. You need the center to be steady.

Those people just want to be entertained by the idiot box. Their coach needs to fit their desire for the character in the show they're imagining.

It doesn't matter, at all, in any way, whether the coach shows fire or is the most silent & stoic statue you've ever witnessed. The ONLY thing that matters is whether or not he is a leader and how the players respond to his leadership.


Browns is the Browns

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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
Originally Posted by 10YrOvernightSuccess
Cleveland fans have always wanted a hot head on the sideline to turn into angry dad and reflect how they’re feeling when things are going badly. They think that cartoonish football coach blowing his stack cliche is what real leadership looks like. Personally I don’t want the general of my army ever drunk on his emotions. I’ll always take a level headed cool cucumber, Tom Landry type thank you very much. Especially when things are going badly. You need the center to be steady.

Those people just want to be entertained by the idiot box. Their coach needs to fit their desire for the character in the show they're imagining.

It doesn't matter, at all, in any way, whether the coach shows fire or is the most silent & stoic statue you've ever witnessed. The ONLY thing that matters is whether or not he is a leader and how the players respond to his leadership.
I agree - there is no set "personality" for a good head coach. They come in all demeanors and styles. KS has shown to be a little more fiery of late IMO, and we're actually worse haha

All I care is that the team plays hard, disciplined, prepared, etc


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Historically, we almost always lose games we are supposed to lose, games where we are the underdog. However, over the years, we have lost many a game we should have won either being favored or just throwing sure victories away. We should lose this game, and everything points to that. I don't know by what score but we will lose this game. I hope I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
When looking at the forecast the map is indicating the game will start with a slow but steady smattering of boos. As the deficit strengthens and increases we will see the boos increase until there are torrential downpours of boos. Expect severe leaving early as fans try to escape those downpours by hitting the exits early.

Forecast; The chance of booing stands at 80%. The chance of a loss also stands at 80%.

Stay tune for updates at 11:00.

The game is in Philadelphia so unless we are embarrassing the Eagles, there won’t be any loud booing.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
When looking at the forecast the map is indicating the game will start with a slow but steady smattering of boos. As the deficit strengthens and increases we will see the boos increase until there are torrential downpours of boos. Expect severe leaving early as fans try to escape those downpours by hitting the exits early.

Forecast; The chance of booing stands at 80%. The chance of a loss also stands at 80%.

Stay tune for updates at 11:00.

The game is in Philadelphia so unless we are embarrassing the Eagles, there won’t be any loud booing.


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we haven't won in Philadelphia in quite a while IIRC


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This will probably be the worst loss of the season so far.. something like a 42-6.. They are well rested, getting AJ brown back ( I expect him to have 3 tds on emerson), don't have a single person on the injury list.. which is mind blowing considering ours.. we might want to look at their S&C program. The best chance we have is to run the ball and play the TOP game, we aren't winning a shootout. But they haven't been that great this year, Commanders have been a better team, so if we don't beat ourselves we have a punchers chance if they come out flat out of the bye and take us lightly. But we are the only team that seems to do those things


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Browns come out looking great, and win 20-13.

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37 to 17 Philly, Watsons last game I hope. Trade Cooper to the Bills blow it up and look at Dan Lanning Good HC

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