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Originally Posted by mgh888
Trump is now (again) a heavy favorite to win the election with Vegas. I'd say Harris is done at this point. Get ready for Trump 2.0

** and I would trust Vegas more than Polling to predict the outcome.

I read a couple stories on this last night-the polling has turned basically to Pennsylvania polls tightening. Vegas is trying to stack equal money on both sides so the line is moving.
The Pennsylvania polls were tightening because there were some right wing basis polls included in the average. That is tightening the state polling and influencing the Vegas lines.

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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Oddly, it is a lost cause, especially if she wins.

Look at California. It has turned to crap. The big problem we face is the spread of the cancer across the land.

There is a cancer. It has made the population of Springfield, Ohio its victims. It has made FEMA workers in southern states its victims. It made the members of congress and Vice president Pence it's victims on January 6th. It has made election officials and election workers its victims. You can never cure the cancer within you if you refuse the see where the cancer is actually located.


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Originally Posted by GMdawg
The right has gone to far right.
The left has gone to far left.

Most folks are in the middle and those are the real losers here.

This is something we are in full agreement about. Sadly we are at a crossroads in this country where it runs even deeper than that.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Arguing fake polls over actual election results is futile. But I guess Trump will do Trump.

See, this is why I don't like any polls. Modify the questions a little... A little rewording and you get a different results. Without the knowledge of the questions and the wording, polls are to me, worthless. That's why I ask, what is the value of polls that are slanted.


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I agree that happens in a lot of polls. But when you ask voters if they're voting for trump or Harris that's pretty straight forward.


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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie

Different polling Shows it being a 0.4% margin.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/north-carolina/


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He's not going to show you those polls. Come on now....


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after the interview... she lost 1% lol https://polymarket.com/elections

Trump 58.4% Kamala 41.2%


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg

LMAO - what did you think Faux News was going to do and say. At least Kamala braved them and went on that show --- Trump sticks to his soft ball pitching news networks who don't expose him with hard questions or ask him about his obvious lies.... ey ey ey.


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This is hilarious. I'm willing to bet all of those that are spreading this FOX News, right wing propaganda didn't even watch the interview.


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Trump tells people to vote on ‘Jan. 5,’ and five other scratch-your-head moments

The Republican presidential nominee has repeatedly made incoherent, false and outlandish statements while on the campaign trail.

Former President Donald Trump left voters scratching their heads on Monday after he urged his supporters to show up at the ballot box to cast their votes for him. The only problem is that he got the date wrong.

While Election Day is on Nov. 5, Trump thought he had an extra two months to turn out the vote.

“I’ll tell you, if everything works out and everybody gets out on Jan. 5 or before,” Trump told a crowd at a campaign rally in Oaks, Pennsylvania. The Republican presidential nominee went on to falsely claim that “you can vote two months before, probably three months after.”

Trump’s election date blunder came as he bragged about his poll numbers with Black and Hispanic voters being “through the roof.”

The Harris campaign quickly pounced on Trump’s flub, asking on Instagram, “Does he even know where he is?”

At a rally Sunday in Greenville, North Carolina, Harris said, “It makes you wonder, why does his staff want him to hide away? Are they afraid that people will see that he is too weak and unstable to lead?”

These types of blunders from Trump aren’t a new phenomenon. He has repeatedly made incoherent, false and outlandish statements while on the campaign trail.

Here are five other scratching-your-head moments from Trump.

1. Calling Americans the “enemy from within”

During an interview with Fox News on Sunday, Trump railed against the “radical left lunatics” and “bad people,” calling them “the enemies from within.” The former commander-in-chief went as far as to say that they are “more dangerous” than enemies in Russia and China.

“These people should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justices,” he said.

The presidential hopeful said the so-called enemies “should be very easily handled by” the National Guard or “if really necessary” by the U.S. military.

This isn’t the first time that Trump has signaled that he is willing to use the powers of the presidency to weaponize the National Guard or military in unorthodox and violent ways.

He has threatened to send the nation’s service men and women to predominantly Black cities like Chicago to address crime.

During her rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, on Monday, Harris lambasted Trump’s statements, saying, “He’s talking about that he considers anyone who doesn’t support him or who will not bend to his will an enemy of our country.”

Harris clarified that Trump has considered a range of people an enemy, including journalists “whose stories he doesn’t like,” election officials “who refuse to cheat … by finding extra votes for him,” judges who “insist on following the law.”

She continued, “This is among the reasons I believe so strongly that a second Trump term would be a huge risk for America — and dangerous.”

The vice president added, “Donald Trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged.”

2. Calls for “one really violent day”

Similarly, Donald Trump has called for sanctioning a day of violence at the hands of law enforcement to address crime in the United States.

While in Erie, Pennsylvania, Trump suggested policing by force in inner cities across the country would put a stop to crime.

“One rough hour — and I mean real rough — the word will get out, and it will end immediately,” Trump told the crowd of supporters.

Though the Trump campaign attempted to clean up the former president’s remarks as him simply “floating it in jest,” the Republican presidential nominee has a history of floating the idea of using violence on U.S. citizens at his order.

During the height of the Black Lives Matter uprising protests in 2020, Trump threatened to sick “vicious dogs” on protesters in Washington, D.C.

3. Insulting Detroit — while in Detroit

While campaigning in Detroit last week, Trump indirectly insulted the city of Detroit while attempting to slam Harris.

“The whole country will be like … you want to know the truth? It’ll be like Detroit,” Trump said at the Detroit Economic Forum. “Our whole country will end up being like Detroit if she’s your president … We’re not going to let her do that to this country. We’re not gonna let it happen.”

Trump was promptly slammed for insulting Detroit, particularly because he said it while in Detroit — a major populous city in the battleground state of Michigan, which he needs to win in November.

“Detroit is a city of innovation and heart. We are survivors and have always fought for what we believe in,” Marseille Allen, a political consultant from Detroit, previously told theGrio. Allen said of Trump, “If the man who aligns himself with dictators thinks poorly of my city, the grittiest city in our nation, then we are clearly on the right track.”

She added, “Keep my city out of your mouth.”

In response to Trump’s comment, Harris said, “Someone who spends full-time attacking great American cities is unfit to be president of the United States.”

4. Accuses Haitians of eating animals

Trump’s probably most perplexing comments as a presidential nominee have been his amplifying of lies that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, are eating neighbors’ cats and dogs — a conspiracy and lie first made public by his vice presidential running mate, JD Vance.

Trump repeated the lie during his presidential debate against Harris, saying, “A lot of town don’t want to talk about it because they are so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs … they’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”

As bizarre as the claims are, they have resulted in real consequences for Haitians living in Springfield and beyond, so much so that the immigrant and migrant advocacy group Haitian Bridge Alliance filed a criminal complaint against Trump and Vance.

“It is imperative that we hold them accountable, and we bring them to justice so that they know they cannot continue to terrorize an entire community,” Guerline Jozef, executive director of Haitian Bridge Alliance, previously told theGrio.

Jozef described the pet conspiracy as “rooted in anti-Black racism and white supremacist ideology.”

5. Trump warns of a “bloodbath” if he is not elected

Having already been responsible for instigating a violent white mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, following his decisive defeat to President Joe Biden, Trump warned that there would be a “bloodbath” if he again loses in the 2024 election.

“If I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath … that’s the least of it,” Trump said during a campaign rally in Ohio on March 17.

Democratic strategist Joel Payne previously told theGrio that the twice-impeached, four-times-indicted Trump “uses political violence as a rhetorical weapon” and has “done it for a long time.”

In response to his “bloodbath” remark, the then-Biden-Harris campaign released a memo detailing what was essentially Trump’s greatest hits of encouraging or downplaying violence, including infamously telling white nationalist groups to “stand back and stand by” when asked to condemn white supremacy and violence.

The campaign noted other incidents — like when Trump encouraged his supporters to “knock out” hecklers disrupting his campaign rallies or declared there was “blame on both sides” after white supremacists held a violent rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“…[Trump] has spent every moment since his first campaign encouraging and excusing political violence. Repeatedly,” said Biden-Harris campaign spokesperson Sarafina Chitika at the time.

Concerns about more political violence in the U.S. following Jan. 6 remain as Trump continues to suggest that he will not accept the results of the 2024 presidential election if he loses.

The stakes are even higher for Trump as he faces criminal indictments and civil penalties worth half a billion dollars related to fraud and defamation. The former president – who knows the office protects him from prosecution – would likely be shielded from legal harm if elected back into the White House.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-people-vote-jan-133503498.html


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Trump is claiming to be "The father of IVF". Based on a two minute explanation of it?



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A little something below about that all women town hall in Georgia.


Fox News did not disclose its all-women town hall with Trump was packed with his supporters
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Updated 10:23 PM EDT, Wed October 16, 2024




Former President Donald Trump attends a Fox News Town Hall moderated by Harris Faulkner in Cumming, Georgia, on October 15. Elijah Nouvelage/AFP/Getty Images
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Fox News hosted an all-women town hall with former President Donald Trump, billed as an opportunity for female voters to ask the Republican candidate questions that matter to them.

The Georgia town hall, where Trump took questions on reproductive laws, transgender rights and other issues, aired Wednesday morning. But Fox News did not disclose that the female audience it selected for the event was packed with local Republican supporters and the network edited its broadcast to remove some of their vocal advocacy of Trump.

The Georgia Federation of Republican Women wrote on its Facebook page Wednesday that the group helped host the event, posting photos from the venue and writing they were “Super excited for the opportunity of hosting this event right here in Georgia!”


Shortly after CNN reached out to the group and Fox News about their role, the post was edited to state they were “excited for the opportunity of attending this event right here in Georgia!” The group’s president, Pam Lightsey, later denied that it had hosted the event.

Former President Donald Trump speaks during a break in a Fox News town hall with moderator Harris Faulkner in Cumming, Georgia, on October 15, 2024.
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The Republican Women of Forsyth County also posted a video from the event showing attendees chatting with Trump and Fox News host Harris Faulkner.

A Fox News spokesperson told CNN the event was not hosted by any Republican group and that it was the network’s event alone. But the right-wing outlet did not disclose the makeup of the audience in its press release announcing the town hall or in Faulkner’s introduction, stating only that it was “held with an audience entirely composed of women.”

The first question posed to Trump at the town hall came from a woman identified as Lisa, who asked the former president a question about the economy. The network did not disclose that Lisa is also the president of the Fulton County Republican Women group.

Some of the town hall attendees made it clear they were supporters of the former president, either in their questioning or in their attire.

“I want to thank you for coming to a room full of women the current administration would consider domestic terrorists,” a woman named Alicia said to laughter from the audience before a question about foreign policy.

But a portion of Alicia’s question was edited by Fox News to remove her admission that she was voting for Trump.

“I proudly cast my vote for you today. I hope they count it,” she added, according to an audio recording from a CNN reporter in attendance.



While it’s common for a pre-taped event or interview to be edited for time, Alicia’s short remark came in the middle of her question, which remained intact on the broadcast.

During another moment missing from Fox’s broadcast, Trump asked the crowd who they were voting for, leading to a chant of “Trump, Trump” breaking out by the attendees.

Fox News did not respond to CNN questions about the missing remarks.

The crowd of women was overwhelmingly supportive of the former president, welcoming Trump with a standing ovation and often breaking out into applause during his responses. When Trump called President Joe Biden “the worst president in history” and Vice President Kamala Harris “the worst vice president,” the crowd burst into cheers.


One woman in the crowd wore an “RNC Delegate” hat. Another named Rachel wore a Trump pin visible on her blazer as she asked the former president a question.

When Faulkner asked the audience whether they opposed “biological men and boys competing against women and girls in sports,” nearly every hand in the room was raised, the Fox host noted. According to CNN’s fact check of the event, Trump made at least 19 false claims in the one-hour town hall. Faulkner did not fact check Trump on stage.

The UK-based news outlet The Independent, which reported from the Georgia event, spoke with attendees and noted many “were from Republican groups around the area whom Fox News invited.”

Rachel, who wore a Trump pin while asking the candidate a question, was later interviewed on Fox News. Though she was identified by anchor Sandra Smith as a Trump supporter, the woman pushed back on The Independent’s reporting.

“I’m nobody and I’m not registered with anybody,” she said. “I found out about this meeting late through my local county Facebook page.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/16/media/fox-news-women-town-hall-supporters/index.html

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Sadly the reality is that nobody should be surprised by this at all. It's what all but the naive has come to expect from them. And the irony here is it took what they right calls a "fake news source" to root out the truth. Of course they, as per usual, would never admit that.


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Anyone want to bother fact checking this BS? rofl


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Originally Posted by dawglover05

Just wow.


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And still none of his supporters will care.


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Yup. Crickets effect.


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Yeah, I like the part where he said he disagreed with what Mike Pence, HIS VICE PRESIDENT, did.

And what he did was certify the election.


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Yeah, I like the part where he said he disagreed with what Mike Pence, HIS VICE PRESIDENT, did.

And what he did was certify the election.

Indeed. general Miller says he's the biggest threat to our democracy. Pence ,Barr and others all say he's unfit to be POTUS.

And crickets.


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Time to flip the page by electing Trump. 😀

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Flip the page in democracy? Flip the page on sanity? Flip the page on decency?
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Threat to Democracy is a laughable claim.

“ get your people to fight…”. (Omitted context- “ and if they don’t fight, primary the —— out of them.”

You primary SENATORS. HE WAS calling senators to fight. You were fooled by Dems and media.

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Voting for Biden 2.0 is the epitome of insanity.

She said “nothing comes to mind” when asked what she would have done differently than Biden.

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What do you think of Mitch McConnell's speech on the Senate floor tying Trump's responsibility to the events of January 6th? You're talking about being fooled by "Dems and media" so what do you think of a stalwart Republican's take?


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Just for context:

“January 6th was a disgrace.

“American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like.

“Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the Vice President.

“They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth — because he was angry he’d lost an election.

“Former President Trump’s actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.

“The House accused the former President of, quote, ‘incitement.’ That is a specific term from the criminal law.

“Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.

“The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their President."


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Don’t care. I read the transcript of the speech. Nothing Trump said sided violence. Democrats told numerous lies trying to claim it did. I know what I read that’s all.

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Don’t care.

I think that's the inherent problem.

You again point to Democrats. I again point to the fact the person I cited is far from a Democrat. He's also not the only Republican to draw the same conclusion.

Willful blindness is the term.

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I doubt Harris staffers panicked at all. I think that's a lie. To be honest, Bret tried a BS move that he later admitted to.. He played the wrong clip and thought Harris would fold or get really angry. She did neither. Of course they must now portray it this way to save face. After Bret played the wrong clip, Harris tore him a new one, professionally but yes, she let him have it..

Then to top it off, Fox waited like 24 hours to admit they played the wrong tape and FINALLY played the right one. I doubt it had any effect but maybe. I'm betting it was the first time hardcore Trumpers ever heard him say he'd use the military against US citizens.


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See that. You took my words out of context.

I don’t need anyone to tell me what Trump said. I read the transcript of the speech.

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