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Doubt everyone doubted the front office when they did not
Bring back Flacco.

I'll miss him. He provided more joy and excitement that 99% of the other players wearing orange and brown since the return. I wish him well.

Hopefully this means Thrash looks ready.

I'm fine with the move. Getting a 3rd for a guy who looked like he already had his bags packed is solid.

Got more than we gave up for him when he's older and in the last year of his contract.

Maybe the ball spreads around better without Watson looking for Coop. Or we could just have decided to go run heavy.

We'll see.

I think you're being WAY optimistic. The only person that has a shred of hope of showing anything this year is Tillman.

thrash will get his chance now. As will Tillman. Not sure either is worth anything though

Cooper won’t be missed… sure he won’t. This is the DW ish show now.

Having WRs get extra playing time isn’t going to help if their QB can’t deliver the ball. I guess it’s live reps running routes. How long will they do that with interest if they’re not getting the ball?

Precisely.

Yeah we’ll see…..hopefully not that Chubb gets hurt again because we went run heavy. I think the move was more of a signal, that this season was just thrown in the bin.

We'll see. Soon it will become evident whether this was an anomaly or the beginning of a trend.

I agree, Oobernoober. WAY optimistic. Even if some cream rises as a shred of evidence, can DW see it, deliver the ball on time, and make it catchable instead of holding it too long and taking a sack. One old saw is a proven pigskin truth: "You are only as strong as your weakest link." We could have quite a fight break out trying to prove who that "link" is currently. This team, coaches, FO, etc. seems to be making 2024 a "weakest link by committee" as they take turns killing wins. If we learned from our mistakes, then by now we ought to be solid gold! This home stand should be special.

Go, Browns!

My guess is that Cooper was traded because he was obviously unhappy and wanted out, and was perhaps about to become more vocal - was probably vocal in the lockerroom (my guessing).... AND he had actual value to be traded.
None of the other WRs on our roster would be likely to even get a claim put in on them if we waived them, Jeudy included, so they will likely stay quiet on whether or not they're unhappy with our QB situation.

I really have no idea PPE. But I wasn't isolating this strictly to WR's. From what I'm seeing and in my opinion the play of watson, and I have no idea what's going on behind the scene as well, is negatively impacting the performance of the team as a whole. It's a ripple effect generating every facet of the roster.

And some of it has to do with where the FO and Halsam are in terms of this roster. When do they see the window of opportunity closing? Some of the top players they were counting on are getting older now. Do they see it is time for rebuilding? Or retooling as the PC way of putting it. When or will all of this money they have kept kicking the can on come up to bite them in the azz?

So I'm just trying to look at this from all directions and even then I don't claim to have the answer.

The next ones leaving will be Silver and Gold. We all know we can't afford to lose them!

If I’m Haslam, I take a look at Winston under center next week and if they actually compete, then I don’t tank and try to see what we have to work with for next year. But if we’re going all in on a rebuild or tanking, then trade a crapload of older talent and subpar players for everything you can get. We’ll need three years to put together a young team AGAIN, keeping only a handful core and transitional players from this team. And winning ball this year only slows that process.

Cooper sucked this year, regardless of whatever ulterior motive.. To think that a player getting paid 20 million to play a game, can't find enough personal pride to put forth the effort is exactly whats wrong with this team.. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Screw cooper, maybe if he caught some of the 19 passes he dropped we'd still be in things.. Same thing he did in dallas, and in Oakland.. Sounds to me like he's just a little B***** and can't handle adversity. Good riddance..

I saw a stat that said that 47% of passes to Cooper (in Cleveland) were off target.

Then we have catches called back by penalties .... like the TD pass in one of our recent games.

Cooper was a valued commodity everywhere he played. Until he was paired up with watson. The only reason Dallas traded him was they came up with a younger #1 WR in Cee Dee Lamb and favored him over cooper. When push comes to shove a team is only going top pay #1 WR money to one WR. Your feeble attempt to rewrite history isn't going to work.

My two cents.

They honestly attempted to create a passing-style offense. I think the offensive coaching staff attempted to design a hybrid of Stefanski's and Dorsey's styles and it did not work. Since no one was left from the last year's coaching staff, they couldn't flip back to the old offense.

With the injuries, I think changes introduced in the last few weeks became difficult and a bit of cluster fudge.

With Chubb returning, it made it easier to add the running game.

If they are moving back to a balanced style of offense, there is no need to keep the number of receivers and pay Cooper to receive fewer targets. They need to find out what they have in the remaining receivers.

With Watson injured, I think it forces the issue even further to have a more defined run game.

Now having lost 6 and Watson injured I think it is time to see if DTR can be an ample QB.

Has the window closed? I don't think so. I think they are still trying to establish an identity on offense. We need to be patient and see how the season plays out. My gut says they figure this out things fall into place. Does it include Watson next year? Who knows. If they make it work with DTR, then it doesn't matter.

I don't think the window has slammed shut. As bbrowns (I think) said, we aren't as bad as we look right now. Probably doesn't mean much for this season, but if Berry can actually work some magic at certain positions, we could be right back in it in 2-3 years.

thats such a cop out.. "catchable Ball" if you're being paid millions to do that, everything in your vicinity should be catchable. Look at what other recievers do, balls they snatch that they had no business catching, or catching them after tipping or bobbling. Cooper was simply playing himself out of here.. same thing hes done at every stop of his career. He's a malcontent. I'm sure it will happen in buffalo at some point too.

Choosing a younger, cheaper Cee Dee Lamb as your #1 WR over Cooper didn't make him a malcontent in Dallas. Some of the crazy BS people just make up never ceases to amaze me.

you might want to go back and read what happened there...its clear you don't know

It's clear you want to believe the narrative that you want to believe. What happened there was simple economics. Dallas wasn't paying for 2 #1 WR's. It was either stick with Cooper or move on to Lamb. They chose to move on with Lamb. If you want to buy into some soap opera narrative to the contrary that's on you.

lol.. so you are too lazy to look.. Ok I'll help you

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas...-buffalo-controversy-josh-allen-contract

I'll even highlight for you:

Says Whitt: "He's playing for a winner and he's playing for a contract and this is a short-term rental, so Cooper might be willing to go 100-percent here. But he's not consistently effective or consistently good. Historically, he'll go through periods of ineffectiveness and sulking. He'll tell the coaching staff something feels wrong physically. He'll at times - especially when the chips are down - appear to be disinterested in crisp route-running and blocking and all the things a $20 million receiver simply must do.''


FYI Whitt is Dallas beat writer for 35 years

IIRC, he's not a diva like OBJ was, but I do agree with you that he's not one that handles team adversity well. He's quiet, which I think tricked us into thinking he's more like Chubb when really he just kinda sulks.

I remember him doing something similar when he was wrapping up his time with the Cowboys.

Honestly, though... I don't blame him. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have so much potential flushed down the crapper over one guy who turned out to be a pumpkin.

that the thing, he does it everywhere. He's just a mentally weak dude and he plays his way out of situations he doesn't want to be in but has enough of a track record of production that teams are willing to take a chance on him.. too be clear, this is alot more than watson. The whole team has sucked this year. Cooper was a big part of why this offense sucked.

So as I stated you're listening to a narrative presented to you that you want to believe. Thanks for that.

Do you believe everything that Mary Kay Cabbott claims too or just the things she reports that you agree with like you did here? Because that's all you've got here. What a sportswriter is telling you Nothing more than his opinion and provides no team sources to back up what he is claiming.

But by all means, you do you.

lol.. keep your blinders on because it fits your argument.. but its not reality.. I could find about 20 more articles from around the time at each stop talking about him being a malcontent and quiet quitter. He might not make noise to the press like an OBJ, but yeah If its being reported by a bunch of sources including players yeah.. And no, I don't think MKC is anything other than a DEI hire. She might be the worst at her job in the entire NFL. The source of my article has been a beat writer for them for 35 years.. so yeah I'm going to say he's got a pretty good handle on it. He's also known for being no bs and calls it like it is, unlike our horrible media who are just mouthpieces for the org.. but go ahead and keep your head in the sand. But the Amari playbook is consistent.. I didn't even have to look hard.. You'd have to invent a media source to prove your side because its not reality.. but...in a term thats all the rage.. You do you

But what about all those years of experience like you pointed out by the guy you want us to believe? They only count from someone you want to believe?

I don't have to look for anything to know that Dallas decided they would rather pay Lamb as their #1 WR rather than Cooper. That was painfully obvious for anyone paying attention.

If Dallas Cowboys move on from Amari Cooper, is CeeDee Lamb ready to be top WR?

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article259058293.html#storylink=cpy

I wonder if Buffalo would have rather Had Hopkins for a 4th vs a 3rd +

Not sure of the answer either but do know that the Browns will have more dead money than any other team in the history of the NFL entering 2025. That is all Berry. I also know that we have a team that hasn't scored more than 18 points in a single game this season. That streak of 7 games now is the longest to start a season in 15 years. I also know, since the move - Watson has produced a 34 QBR and a 9-10 record as a starter, it's pretty safe to say now (to all those supporters and Mayfield haters), Watson has not lived up to the hype. Watson has missed more games than he started, has fallen near the bottom of the NFL in every quarterback metric in games he has played, and has just continued to absorb that guaranteed money. There is now a wedge between the players and the fans as evidence as to what occurred on Sunday, something the Browns organization itself largely forced on both parties.

That my friends are the results of chapters 1-3 of a 5-chapter story. I would guess that someone will be held accountable $172,134,000 still owed to the cap for Watson the last 2 years - you can bet easy money that it won't be Halsam.

By my calculations, if dw doesn't take another snap for the Browns, he will have been paid $12,770,000 per game he played.

I would have done it for half that and likely not had much less success.

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