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The analytics says that Watson should play better.
The gods have spoken,watson will continue to play.

I think DW playing is similar to the feel of Baker playing injured… they will ride a horrible DW to a high first round pick for his replacement. At this point, why win?

What really burns my butt is that they had to know how bad he was coming out of camp and I will never understand them not playing him in preseason if they knew how bad he was. He should have taken almost every snap. And if they didn’t identify how bad he was in camp, clean house.

Eagles - Browns Week 6 Recap with Steve and Sam
Stats stats and more ugly stats. Some of them are mind blowing.

“Johnny Manziel is somewhere, laughing, that he’s no longer the worst QB decision made by the Browns” that cracked me up.

j/c…

Good read. Long article on the case for benching Watson by Bill Barnwell.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-watson-poor-qb-play-contract-future-cut

Thought this might be the appropriate place to put this video. Rather creative if I must say so!!!

What Watson was/is accused of is a lot worse than what Josh Gordon did. Please Mr Goodell, I beg of you, DW should at the very least get the same suspension for his repeat offense. Preferably banishment from the NFL. That should void his contract with us!

I’ve read a few places now that even if the NFL had the goods to do so, they probably won’t suspend him in large part because they want to punish Haslam for that contract. Once again, Browns fans pay the price.

Sometimes I swear they’re trying to break us so they can eventually move the team out again and the city and fans won’t fight the move. I admit my own apathy is at an all time high. I come here and chat because I’m bored but I’m finding I care less and less and less… and less about the Browns. Even when they were “good” these last few years, that they had that scum bag hollow jersey at QB forced and act of nose holding. And now… let em burn. There’s some players and coaches I’d like to see spared but Haslam needs his nose pushed into this sh!* pile like a dog that won’t stop crapping in the living room. So I hope DW plays even worse. Have we ever had a 5 pick game? How about 10 sacks? Let’s shoot for the stars! 💫

I can see that. The whole thing has been a freaking nightmare. The problem is, yes our owners deserve to suffer the consequences of the bad decisions - but the fans shouldn't have to

If Jimmy or Andrew Berry was raised in a similar way as Nick Chubb then this organization would be elite.

The Watson trade was the death kiss that sent us to where we’re now.
An owner and GM with morals, integrity and pride would never think of trading for an individual with so much bad karma and baggage.

God give us what we deserves.

I'd say that's a pretty fair and accurate summation.

I agree and for me it’s still mind blowing why they continued with this trade even after

a) Watson rejected to play with the Texans
b) they knew about the allegations
c) they knew about a possible suspension
d) they got rejected by the players agent in their first attempt to get him

On top of that there’re question marks about if he was the right player for Stefanski’s system.

The numbers indicate that Baker was at the time a better choice, if we include all draft picks and give him the benefit of doubt about his shoulder injury and factor that his salary would be lower and without guaranteed money.

I don’t argue about the decision to move on from Baker even if I personally think it was wrong but the Browns deserves so much better than being in the hands of so much incompetence.

Funny how are some on here we're in denial 2 years or even last year
On how bad and lopsided the trade was

As soon as the Browns bench Watson this fan base will come alive. Browns management has been sadistic to their fans since the return. Modell doesn’t even come close to treating Browns fans as bad.

His achilles snapped. No doubt in my mind. His season is over. DTR didn’t look great. I wish we’d just play Winston. It might make the team watchable.

Oh, you could see his whole calf muscle move as the tendon went up.

On a side note, a second year player with only a few starts under his belt amazingly was finding receivers open more than a few yards down field. What a thought!

Was DTR great? No, but better than dw. By a long shot. Imagine if he were getting first team rep's in practice.

Posted this in the gameday thread


I think there are 3 potential reasons we are playing DTR over Winston.
Likely a combination

1, we suspect dtr sux and want to prove it
2, we actually know he sux and want the #1 draft pick
3, we know Winston is the best if the 3. If he plays well they get further embarrassed

I thought that they might have a trade deal cooking with Winston. No damaged goods.

Why did KS| elevate DTR to #2 and drop Winston to #3? It is my contention that if DW had a poor 1st half, then DW would be benched and DTR brought in to see what we had in him. Winston is a known quality but DTR is not. The team showed more spirit after DW went down and I expect that Winston will be the starter next game. I actually believe things took a positive turn with DW going down. Not a nice thing to say, but......

lol, no.. they didn't. Watson was playing well when he went down. DTR came in and did DTR things.. he's not the guy, he's barely a PS project. Winston will come in and be aggressive but get ready for a ton of turnovers.

Agreed, the team seemed to perk up a bit when DTR went in. I don't enjoy saying it, but yes, the team looked more peppy.

Still had stupid penalties, still had a few bad passes (at least they were downfield). Imagine what the guy could do with some practice reps. REAL practice reps.

How does a career ending injury affect the salary cap?

I don’t know, but I don’t think so. I’m just perplexed that the guy is getting hero treatment at this point. I don’t wish injury on anyone, and I’m
glad that Deshawn has 230 million to fall back on, but the guy was 1-5 and clearly missing wide open plays. Worst trade in sports history.

Browns are screwed either way. Our only way out of this mess in a timely manner would be if the NFL hits him with discipline for this latest lawsuit. Then, maybe, we can get out of it. Else the Browns are limited to drafted players and low dollar scubs for the next few years. Yep, we went from competitive with Baker, then Joe, and now we’re climbing back on the QB carrousel for an indefinite number of years.

We’ve all seen this crap show before.

any posters here think watson would do the right thing and negotiate an injury settlement. Granted he's under no obligation to do so, and I'm not sure the players union would allow it. Could we also do a "bobby bonilla" type restructure and spread his payments out over an extended period of time?

I don't think it changes anything.

In Watson's case, zero change to the salary cap impact. His contract was written as fully guaranteed even in the event of career ending injury.

That's how incredibly desperate Haslam and and the Browns were to try and buy a championship.

The right thing? Why the heck would he or should he change the terms as it pertains to the dollar amount? I suppose he could agree to spread it out for a few more years.

I don't think the Browns would want to spread it out. We have most of our core guys signed for a few more years. If anything we might want to speed it up. By speeding it up we might even get out cheaper. Watson might be more inclined to just take a bigger lump sum up front to be done with it.

That insurance company won't be in business very long.

Browns players scold fans.


Lol, Quincy was all over this:

Timing tells the story. The timing of when they booed tells you everything. We live in a world where disgusting behavior is not only tolerated these days, but sometimes even rewarded. There's no excuse for that.

this is such a bad take.. Noone on earth are confused of where the boos and cheers were directed. To say otherwise is showing another level of idiocy. What those dumb fans at the stadium did was piss alot of current players off and like Quincy said, won't want to play here anymore. Just a classless fan base.