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I think the jury is still out on whether the trade of Cooper was a trend or an anomaly. I'm certainly not disagreeing with your opinion but I think one has to consider that wealthy men who control a lot of power are far less likely to own up to their mistakes and move forward. They can afford not to. Often times they will stick by those decisions until everything has crumbled around them. That's not to say that Haslam is one of those people but we are at the crossroads where we will soon find out.

Usually it's their subordinates who pay the price for their mistakes. Most often we see those working under them take the brunt of the blame for the decisions they themselves have made.

Time will tell.

I'm more of a results oriented guy. He made that decision in the midst of DW flopping around like a fish on the shoreline. As I stated, I'm not disagreeing with your opinion. I hope by me saying that twice now you understand that.

I'm saying we will see. At this point there is zero evidence for me to place a guess on any of this. This could all be as simple as drafting a QB in round 1 of the 2025 draft. I mean we all saw what Stefanksi did with Flacco. I'm just not so sure that heads need to roll in order to appease the fan base. Simply drafting a new QB and moving forward from DW in and of itself may be all the fans in general will need to stay on board.

I'm just not certain that wholesale changes in personnel and firing Berry are something he will feel compelled he "has to do" in order to sell tickets.

As I said, we shall see. I'm not trying to argue with you just showing there are other possibilities.

I think we need to think long and hard about trading Ward, Z, Thornhill, Hicks, Moore, Newsome/Emerson

Zinter & Wills

I thought Zinter would be a bit better than he is. He seems very unathletic

Guess a Watson trade is out of the question?

I think he's more athletic than he's shown thus far. He's only about a year removed from a pretty nasty broken leg...he's played a lot more than I would guess they expected...see Teller and Dunn injuries. I'm more concerned that he's a RG and Teller is the only IOL I see coming back next year...and of course, he is a RG too.

Well...we had one and 'they' didn't see it. No way I let AB take another swing at choosing a QB...no way.

Betting 50 bucks on the underdog is a gamble.Betting the entire farm on a sexual deviant is a fool's errand.

With the upcoming trade deadline I considered who on this team I would not trade.

On defense I came up with myles garrett and JOK
With delpet in the rather not category

On offense, Chubb
With Jeudy and Njoku on the won't be traded
And Dewand Jones in the rather not

My tops to trade would be Conklin and Wills on offense ; Ward and Z'darious Smith on defense.
Conklin - old, injured and big contract but talented
Wills - won't be worth the next contract but young and teams will see potential
Ward - big talent, big contract, injury prone
Smith - older, talented, not as productive as his contract warrants.

These are the 4 I think we can get the biggest return for when considering contracts and trade compensation

I think for anyone objectively looking at this roster it's obvious that several players don't look like they did just last season. It appears to be contagious and one would have to think there's a reason for that.

Zinter is 5 games into his career. Let's give him a chance... As far as some players not looking as good as last year; could it have anything to do with our QB?

Yes they do. But like the vast majority of the many blunders the team has committed, common sense and the obvious proved to be correct vs the path that the FO took. Like most, I assumed the FO knew what they were doing and that there were other factors in play, like they saw some intelligence, leadership ability, charisma or something else that outweighed the negatives. Fast forward.....they didn't. It's frickin' Johnny Manziel all over again, but at a much greater cost.
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When you ask a lot of Texans supporters they will tell you that a sizable chunk of his TDs in the 2020 season come when the team was down 10-14 points late in the 3rd or 4thQ.
They mean the stats were inflated because the game was practically over at that time.

In the 2020 they only won 4 games and many Texans supports has pointed out that he wasn’t the same in 2020 as he where in his previous years.

Houston Texans

2018 - 11W 5L
2019 - 10W 6L
2020 - 4W 12L

2020 season
KCC - 13 points 4Q (20-34) L
Ravens - 6p 4Q (16-33) L
Steelers - 0p 4Q (21-28) L
Vikings - 7p (23-31) L
Jaguars - 14p (30-14) W
Titans - 13p (36-42) L
Green Bay - 13p (20-35) L
Jaguars -0p (27-25) W
Browns - 7p (7-10) L
Patriots - 3p (27-20) W
Lions - 15p (41-25) W
Colts 0p (20-26) L
Bears 0p (7-36) L
Colts 7p (20-27) L
Bengals 7p (31-37) L
Titans 10p (38-41) L

2020 Total TD - 33
2020 Total TD when the win - 15
2020 TD 4Q - 12 (when they lost)

He average 1,5 TD/game when they lost (18 TD in 12 games)
12 of these TDs was in the 4Q.

6TD in 12 games was when the game was on the line.
0,5 TD/game

Due diligence?

I remember at the time of the trade, Eotab was very much against it. Sad to say, but it turned out as he expected...

I agree it doesn’t matter any longer but right now I have very little confidence in the Browns FO when it comes to scouting draft picks.
The more we look at it the more it’s clear that Berry isn’t a special good GM.

After four seasons results don’t lie. We don’t develop enough talent into elite or even to reasonable NFL level.

Karma.

Bone, Baker was the QB we should have invested all that draft capital and money into… sure he looked bad playing injured, but anyone with eyes could see OBJ’s daddy was stirring crap to get OBJ traded. OBJ was never a vital piece of this team, but delusional fans thought he was being held back by Baker, or at least one fan felt that way and he owns the team. What kills me is, if you unplug from the homer-ism, team drama, and fan favorites when you watch games, you can see who is really who. But the coaches and FO seem to be too close to the situation to do that this year. This is hugely no bueno.

My recollection is that 99% of the back-and-forth was regarding the off-field stuff.

I don't recall (doesn't mean it didn't happen) anyone saying that he would be bad (much less this bad) on the field. My recollection was that he had all the tools to be successful in just about any offense. The first rumblings started only when we started shifting away from having him under center and how that would impact Chubb's running effectiveness.


I'm not trying to defend the trade, just saying... after watching the Guardians pull out all the stops and fall short to the Yankees I appreciate Haslam's willingness to put his dollars behind building the team. So credit where it's due, I guess.

It's odd how on one hand how people will point out most teams get it wrong in terms of QB's and then point out how a hand full of desperate teams went after DW. Teams that couldn't identify a QB in the draft to save their life or they wouldn't have been in that position to start with. And on top of that the evidence shows that the Browns were the most desperate team of all. Every team trying to acquire DW weren't willing to pay the crazy price tag the Browns were and all of this after DW made it clear he didn't want to play for the Browns to begin with.

Yes, there were a lot of factors to consider. The order of their importance wasn't identified properly.

j/c...

we'll take a 5th

Whomever was primarily responsible for the trade (and I don't believe it was one person), took a huge risk and it failed miserably. This trade set us back several years and perhaps has taken us out of our Super Bowl window. I do believe that we could have succeeded with Mayfield or Brissette and a couple of 1st rounders. There needs to be accountability and someone should publicly announce it....

He will definitely be back with the Ravens.

unless it is a Day 2 pick, we'd be foolish to trade Z to our division rivals, but then again he is practically no impact playing for us, so he'd become an all-pro for the ratbirds