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Cooper 4 rec 66yds 1 TD
Hunt 22 carries 78yds 2 TD.

Man, these guys we let go are washed up.

I've seen enough, I want someone who can push the ball downfield and he ain't it.

At least Winston gives us that.

I agree DTR does not have what it takes to be a franchise QB in the NFL. I prefer to watch Winston- under center the remainder of the year.

Man how times have changed
If this was 10 years ago guys like Eotab would be
Saying how the Browns can still make the playoffs

We aren't mathematically eliminated yet, let's go Browns!

I understand the thinking:
1. Our division has Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, and Baker was coming off an injury plagued season. needed someone to beat them consistently
2. Our conference has Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes, playoffs go thru them as of late
3. Franchise QBs almost NEVER become available, especially in their prime. I never agreed with the size and guarantees of the contract.

The D again kept us in the game but we did little on O.

the mental mistakes keep killing us with the pre-snap penalties. It’s almost laughable now, how brain-dead-like some of the guys on offence are.

Can we not get the illegal formation problem fixed?

Watson is out for a long, long time. Sadly the ironic thing - one of them - is that Watson looked good on his final drive.

At least Winston will throw the damn ball downfield, even DTR has willingness to Chuck it, even if most times it’s in-effective. Tillman caught some balls, Njoku looked good, Wills didn’t. OMF he looks soft.

We need to draft a QB, that’s obvious.

Loved seeing Nick Chubb return and barrel in for a TD!

DTR is 95% NOT the guy. I'm not ready to say 100% yet, but he didn't look good today.

I'd think about starting him the next two games with full weeks of practice

No disagreement there. Like I said, we might as well play him. It's not like we will go on some miraculous win streak and squeeze in to the playoffs.

I would prefer that as well, but we know that Winston isn't the future.

Some seem to think that DTR is, Berry included. We might as well just play the guy and dispel that notion rather than dork around with DTR for a few years, assuming Berry doesn't do that anyway. I think Berry is showing signs of being like Butch Davis in allowing his ego to interfere with making sound football decisions. Harris seems to keep finding his way back on the team.

Yeah if Berry thinks he does, well that should tell you all we need to know about DTR.. Berry has zero talent evaluation ability. Does everyone remember in 2018. We just signed Carlos Hyde in FA, then Dorsey Drafted Chubb. Hue wouldn't give Chubb reps despite him obviously being the better back. So what does Dorsey do, gets rid of Hyde so Hue had no choice. Solved the problem when he knew the coach was holding the team back by playing the wrong person even though that player was brought in as a veteran and had a decent career to that point. Flash forward to this year. Berry because of his idiocy, created a problem he couldn't solve.. If everyone truly believed that DW wasn't the best choice, and the better choice was on the roster, why wasn't he playing.. Thats my issue. Someone's contract should not be a consideration when taking into consideration a players abilities to help the team. So either DW was the consensus best option or something came from higher. I think its the former. I think we saw that today and we will see that with winston. QB is just a small part of the overall issues.

But to DTR, he looks like every project QB we've ever had. There is not a single thing special about him. He's basically a skinny Kizer. He's also reckless with his body and won't ever survive long enough to get an extended look at him, especially behind this line. Atleast Winston has had some success in the league and can run an NFL offense. He will be the true litmus of where the problems lie. The thing about winston is he will wow one second with a deep ball, then throw 3 straight picks after that.. thats who he is.

2-15.
Well beat New Orleans.

My post game thought was… I think I’m done. My ambivalence about this team is at an all time high, my care at an all time low. I was not so low key rooting for the Beagles today. It actually makes it better now that DW is out of the picture. Does it make me a bad person that I hope permanently? I dont know. But I’ve grappled with being able to root for the browns ever since they went after DW. Like watching your ex, who you always had a lot of respect for, hook with the biggest scum bag you know. I think today it just dawned on me that I’m done. The first thing I saw today when I turned on the TV was Coop scoring for the Bills and I thought good for him. I finally made my way to the Browns game and I felt nothing. Like, they’re the Washington generals all over again. No one should ever be rooting for the Washington generals, least of all me.

Peace out y’all. ✌️ it’s been real.

The rest of the season will be a tryout for who is the first player drafted, and who will remain on the team.

The OL does not look good.

The Watson injury may free up some cap space but it will be ugly for a while.

I am done for a while. Wake me up when it is over.

My tag line was posted after week one. Still feel the same.

Your continued animosity and fixation with Eo says everything about you and nothing about a much beloved and missed Browns fan.

Pretty sure I have seen No-one say DW was the only problem. The problem is a lack of talent nearly every position, the head coach, the offense - and then DW is also a part of the problem because he has played like a bottom 6-7 QB int he NFL since he came to Cleveland. Calling out DW for being crap since he signed as a Brown doesn't mean the rest of the team is good - it means DW is has been bad. He's played 2 (really) good games as a Brown.

100%.

It's why Berry and KS need to go. We'd also be better off if Strong had been starting RB all season. We'd be better if Wills was never drafted, of had been a back up. We'd be better off without Moore. 🤮

CONGRATULATIONS TO CHUBB!!!
Bad blocking, no lanes and so his knee got a good physical workout!

I too would like to see DTR get a few gates under his belt as a 1.
At least we will see if he actually can play.

BUT, and trust me I am not a glass half full guy, take away that opening Special Teams Gaff, it would have gone into overtime.
Field Goal or Extra Point good and.......

I have actually started watching College Ball more than NFL..... it's MUCH better w/ the Portal!

if Flacco was our QB, we would:

- DAL - L
- at JAX - W
- NYG - W
- at LV - W
- at WAS - L
- at PHI - W
- CIN - W


just my opinion

we are definitely years away. Think about how many positions we need to fill/upgrade with limited resources.

at minimum we need 3 starting OL, a viable QB, a #1 WR, RB, addressing the front 7 ... without much cap space and just a normal amount of picks

Not to mention we are playing in a division with Lamar, Burrow, and the Steelers .. in a conference with Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Stroud

What? I thought this was our Super Bowl window! LOL

I'm not one to cheer for a players injury... I didn't want Watson, but I didn't want him injured either. So I can't feel good about the fans at the game yesterday that cheered his injury. That sucked.,

Funny also because he wasn't playing horribly either. That was, up to that point, one of his better games in a Browns Uniform.


Very happy to see Chubb out there. Man it was a nice TD. What a man he is. Great Player and a Great Guy.

If only the rest of those guy and Coaches did their jobs, we'd have something.

It feels awful to say this, but it almost feels like we are playing to get the first pick in the draft. This just isn't a very good team.

Very disappointed.

yesterday was kind of an epitome of our franchise:

We welcome Chubb back!! ... and the Bengals promptly return the opening kickoff for a TD

Chubb scores!! ... and we promptly miss the XP

Watson is playing decent!! ... and he ends his career


I felt for him sitting on the cart. I will never want anyone in that spot.

I didn't watch or even listen to much yesterday. I kept track of the game as I was running errands by radio or quick Espn checks. I didn't not follow the game because I am angry at ownership, FO, coaches or players. It is just painful to watch this season go down the drain.

Some of you "younger" fans may not realize, and the older ones may, but being in my early/mid-60s and following the Browns since 1969, the days of Kelly, Nelson, Warfield, Walter Johnson and Milt Morin, I have been saying wait until next year for what seems like forever. Losses hurt too much anymore.

IN my younger days, a Browns loss almost literally ruined my week. A big win and it could make a week amazing. 2020 season got me through Covid. I was nearly in tears in 1986 when Brian Brennan caught the long touchdown from Kosar and then Mosely had his kick downed at the 2.

I am never going to quit being optimistic and my hope stem from bad teams that have turned it around quickly. Some of you will find it hard to believe that I haven't lost confidence in the FO or staff. I also support all current players on the team.

On top of that I hate, hate, hate the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens, in that order.

Sorry just wanted to rant.

Bone I agree with your statement wholeheartedly. DW playing well would have taken the heat off of him and everyone would be happy and talking about that. Playing lousy would have the results we have. I agree he was trying to do the best he could.

Agreed. He is injured far too much to put any trust in him as a player or a leader. He just hasn't been available to be on the field enough to make him a viable QB. Time to move on. I just don't know that we can trust that he will ever be able to finish a season uninjured. I won't get in to his performance because an awful lot of that has to do with him being injured, especially last season. Players get hurt. But a starting QB who racks up the injury track record he's got in Cleveland just isn't worth it. He was willing to play hurt. That playing hurt didn't exactly make him a better player. We rolled the dice and lost.

That's easy for me to say because he isn't burning a gigantic hole in my wallet. Ownership probably feels a bit differently.

Yesterday made things as obvious as they can be. I hate that watson's season ended the way it did. Sadly that seems to be the only way anyone else got a shot.

We then got to see DTR yuck it up by throwing two int's. The Browns went through 2 QB's while the O compiled a grand total of 6 points.

Finally we got a glimpse of watching the best QB on the Browns roster get his shot. He threw a td. pass to Njoku and placed it in a location that only Njoku had a chance to catch that ball. Then another perfect strike to Tillman for the 2 point conversion. Tillman had one really bad drop but otherwise he stepped up well for a third round WR. So Winston accounted for 8 points in very limited action. That should address any questions people had about who the best QB to start would be at this time, if winning games this season is the actual goal.

So there are two courses of action this team could take and which course they choose seems obvious as to their intent. I understand that people may differ on which course they think is best but the message moving forward will be obvious.

You either continue to start DTR to see if or how he develops over the course of the season to help answer the question if he will be what you want and have as a competent back-up QB moving forward into next season. You look toward the future and do not concern yourself with winning games this season. At 1-6 you're not going to make the playoffs or do anything significant this season anyway.

Or you start Winston in order to the put the best QB on the field that gives your team the best opportunity to win.

The choice is clear and which way they move forward should tell people all they need to know.

In the end both Tillman and the D did well overall. Sadly the Browns insisted on playing 2 QB's that could only muster 6 points on the board for well over 3 quarters of the game. Then with no other choice they were forced to play a QB that could.

And I think that's part of what I was saying. You either try to put your self in the best position going into next year or you try to win games this year. I think who they keep as the starting QB will tell us their strategy in terms of answering that question.

I think we should stay with DTR. We aren't going to win more than a handful of games regardless. If our staff thinks that there's even a 1% chance that he's a viable QB of the future, then we gotta at least find out.

He's probably not. But playing Winston is basically like paying rent.

Not playing Winston is like refusing to live in a house you already paid the full lease on. Playing Winston doesn't cost a dime more one way or the other.

DTR isn't s future starter in the NFL. He may prove to be a decent backup but if yesterday didn't tell you anything I wish you luck. He was nothing more than a 5th round flyer in the draft. Let me guess, "Yeah but what about Tom Brady?"

Hopkins attempt to tackle Jones on the kickoff TD really encapsulates this whole franchise.


**In that game, the kicker went all out to try and chase down Texans RB Dameon Pierce on a 98-kick return TD. Hopkins injured his hamstring and was unable to play in Cleveland’s final two regular-season games or their wild card loss to the Texans.

“Absolutely, yeah. No, I thought about it,” Hopkins said. “And so it was a mix of, I wasn’t trying to — I didn’t want him to have an angle to get past me. I knew I probably wasn’t going to chase him down like Houston and just put myself at risk.

“So I just tried to honestly slow his angle down a little bit so hopefully one of my guys could catch up and then kind of make a go. And then if he got past me, I was just going to not chase.”**

Hahahah wow

What about Spergon Wynn?

Yes he was, and is. Although I never met him, we were 'friends', corresponding often, and I miss him to this day.

I'd take him over Brady anyway. At least on April 16,2000.

Get with the times. The correct phrasing would be:
Let me guess, "Yeah but what about Brock Purdy?"