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Tom Landry didn't have what people call charisma either. A coach doesn't have to act like Dan Campbell to win.

He took a team using four starting QB's to the playoffs last season. That looks like a leader to me.

Browns off-season move that backfired , ?

All of them.

There’s I huge difference between being one of the leaders in the locker room and being the undisputed leader of a franchise.

Taking his team to the playoffs where he played with his best QB is good but they lost when it really matters so Kevin’s leadership took him only to the first real hurdle.
In a playoff game you can’t have a bad day with half of your team seems to have gone on vacation because leadership is also about making sure everyone is ready.

Great leaders don’t have that luxury to be at worst when it matters most.

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Myles Garrett's record as a Cleveland Brown

How ever you want to define what Myles does for the Browns, in terms of Ws -Ls per season, he is a failure.

No one individual is a failure as judged by a team's record. Not Garrett, nor Depo, nor anybody else.

But one individual can change the course of the team and turn negatives into positives…….Joe Flacco did it last year.

You're the one who said "How ever you want to define what Depo does for the Browns, in terms of Ws -Ls per season, he is a failure" So we can only apply that rule when it bolsters your agenda?

Well thanks to however gave him credit for something he didn't do.


Now who is it that you say is giving him credit?


What's next are you going to try to tell us that he traded Cooper away???

Do you think that's the job of the HC? To be "the undisputed leader of a franchise."?


So getting a team to the playoffs with a QB they pulled off the couch doesn't mean anything to you? How far did you expect them to get after having four different starting QB's last year? Claiming that Flacco was "his best QB" tells you more than you need to know. You do know that Flacco is a backup QB now, right?


They also have no say at all when it comes to how many injured players they have and how much adversity they face. Because you see, no matter how you make the false claim that the HC is "the undisputed leader of a franchise.", he doesn't select the players, he doesn't have any say in who is drafted, who gets signed nor does he have control over being forced to play four different starting QB's in a single season.

The fact he even got that team to the playoffs last year was a minor miracle in and of itself. But somehow you can't see that.

It seems you need some clarification on what the word facilitate means.

It means to make something easier to accomplish. It has nothing to do with the decision that was made. It means to make that decision easier to accomplish. You keep arguing with a man that knows a lot of what the inner workings of the Browns is like while you have no such knowledge.

All you have done thus far is show that Depo is being paid on the same level as the GM. All that shows is that Haslam values analytics as much as he does any other upper management ingredient. And then you are making the silly claim thatb Depo making getting the watson deal easier equates to him being the one who made the decision. None of that is attractive.

Pit!

Maybe we don’t understand each other or maybe my English isn’t good enough to explain what I mean but from my perspective the Browns lacks leadership.
That isn’t to downplay Stefanski or any criticism against his leadership. He did an excellent job last season but when it really mattered we lost.

Maybe it was injuries, maybe it was lack of talent, maybe it was that we’re mentally weak or maybe just bad luck.
It could be a million reasons but that don’t change the result

What I’m trying to say is that this organization is short of leadership. The main reason is of course the owners but beneath it our leadership isn’t strong enough to elevate this organization to take the next step.

All I was suggesting is that expectations should be measured based on what you have to work with. You can't expect a Volkswagen Beetle to break land speed records. Flacco is a back up QB. That's not going to win you games in the playoffs most of the time. Now if you wish to take the focus off of Stefanski we may be more in agreement. The powers that be brought watson to Cleveland and that is a problem.

ROTFLMAO you post a video where they say "We have no clue what Depo does with the Browns" and want folks to believe that means you know what goes on with the Browns.

and just like the video you posted. You have no clue what Depo's job is just admit it, and quit acting like you do

Who was the first fully guaranteed NFL contract?
In the first, going back to 1996, the Oakland Raiders reportedly signed their first-round pick Rickey Dudley, a 6-foot-7 tight end from Ohio State, to a five-year, $8.8 million deal that was considered fully guaranteed.Dec 2, 2022.

The National Hockey League (NHL) was the first major North American sports league to offer guaranteed contracts, though the NHL's guaranteed contracts differ from other sports in some ways:

Derek Sanderson
In 1970, Bruins player Derek Sanderson signed a five-year, $2.6-million contract with the WHA's Philadelphia Blazers, making him the highest-paid athlete in the world at the time.


Have NBA contracts always been guaranteed?
For the most part, yes, NBA contracts are fully guaranteed. Once a deal is signed, the player will be compensated fully regardless of whether they get injured, play poorly or are not wanted by the team anymore.Jul 5, 2024

No, football is football. The Raiders signed their TE Ricky Dudley to a fully guaranteed contract back in 1996. That's the same year DePodesta started working in baseball.

Kirk cousins signed a fully guaranteed deal with the Vikings in 2018.

Try again.

That's certainly a total different version of what you've been saying his job is up until now.

People can read everything you've been saying about Depo. It has gone on for years now. Suddenly you sing a different tune and think everyone has forgotten. That's not how any of this works.

Yet every team in the NFL uses analytics.

The Browns have had one of the highest payrolls in the NFL for a few seasons now. FYI- That's not Moneyball.

Tackles are tackles.

Our approach to use data driven information has totally failed.
Data information is supposed to be a tool that helps the decision makers to come to the right conclusions, a frame work so you elude the negative outliers.

We’re neither good at evaluate the mental complexity of humans and how it affects a players performance.
Being physically fit is a given but how about the mental part? At the highest level is determination, hunger, staying focused and having a stable social network around you almost as important as being physically in good shape.

We don’t nurture our talents well.

We seem to have serious problems how to develop young talents to grow with time and experience.
Our FO are too impatient and don’t trust the process of letting young men grow both as humans and as athletes and give them enough time to blossom. .

Andrew Berry’s attempt to buy success has now backfired and haltered the Browns opportunity to take advantage of the talents the organization acquired the years before his arrival.
He’s now the male version of Bud Lights former vice president of marketing, Alissa Heinerscheid.
Both are known to the general public to be synonymous with incompetence and ignorance

Is it that the coaching staff isn't "nurturing the talent" or that they are being given players that simply aren't capable of being developed?

For me a gauge of that would be players that this staff couldn't get anything out of that went on to other teams and did well. I'm guessing that would be a very short list if one could even make a list like that at all.

First step is to draft well. Have we succeed?
Second step is to nurture what we got. Have we succeed?

I don’t know what you’re defending?
You probably want success as much as me and everyone else.

If we don’t identify where we fail nothing will change.

I'm asking you to provide some evidence to back up your claim that players that have been drafted and provided to this coaching staff have the potential to be good and are not being developed.

If that's factual then you should be able to provide draft picks that have been cut that went on to be successful with other NFL teams.

It's easy to just say what you think and feel. Sometimes it's much harder to provide evidence to back up those claims.

So if the coaching staff isn't "nurturing what we got" there are 31 other teams that have staffs that could surely see what you claim you see. Now which of those other 31 teams saw the potential in draft picks AB selected and developed them into good players after they left Cleveland?

I think you are confusing the difference between me defending something and asking you to provide a shred of evidence that your claim is accurate. Those aren't the same thing.

This will be a merry go round discussion.

If we don’t draft good enough then of course it’s hard to nurture a player with a limited talent. That’s my point.

It’s doesn’t matter how much you defend whatever you defend results speaks for itself. 1-6 in 2024.
Since 2020 we have regressed despite being loaded with talent when the new regime with Berry o Co took over.

What more proof do you need that we’re a dysfunctional organization.

Regarding your other point about presenting proof.
We got Baker but because of an insecure leadership we let him go. Instead we gave a proven trouble maker 230m guaranteed.
Touché!

You don’t have to go further.

j/c...

The Quinton Jefferson signing has been an overlooked dud. A healthy scratch two weeks in a row.

Keeping hasben

Three names come to mind--Mitchell Schwartz, Jordan Poyer, Baker Mayfield. All played for the Browns and found greener pastures elsewhere

Maybe not linked to the current coaching staff, but certainly during the ownership period of the Haslams.