"18-year NFL Scout, Jim Nagy, believes Nussmeier has the "highest ceiling in the NFL Draft" when it comes to the quarterback class in 2025. He's made NFL throw after NFL throw with the analysts giving lofty praise after making the pro comparison. I see so much Tony Romo with him."
As the college season plays out IMO Nussmeier will jump up the Boards. Of course a lot of that will happen only if he puts up numbers.
I look at numbers but don't let numbers be the only factor in evaluation. There are obvious reasons like the team around the player and the competition faced.
What I really focus on is the manner of play. How does the guy play the position?
I see a lot of positives in the play of Nussmeier.
There are 4 teams vying for the basement right now: Browns, Patriots, Panthers, Titans. We are currently behind Panthers & Patriots by virtue of Strength of Schedule, so we need both of them to win at least one.
The Titans *could* find a way to lose to the Patriots next week, but the chances of the Panthers winning even one more game looks slim.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
That's why it's fine to scout the QB's out there but it's not fine for this FO to "Just pick a QB for the sake of drafting a QB".
Sure, to me it's the most glaring need on the roster right now but you don't just draft a QB early out of desperation. A desperation move is what led us to where they are now.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Assuming we are, in fact, about to embark on a rebuild of some sort...
I'm actually less worried about the QB position as I am about the rest of the offense (and the defense as well, to a lesser extent). Regardless of who we bring at QB, they are going to need a lot of help and it's hard to see where that help would come from at this point. WR room is now barren with Cooper gone (some keepers may emerge out of that room from the young guys that are in there, but I seriously doubt we have a legit #1 on the roster). Njoku is fine but we have zero quality depth behind him. Our Oline is aging and hasn't been performing well at all. We should be brought up on charges if we stick a first round rookie out there without a SERIOUS investment in that unit. We have mediocre and worse at RB besides Chubb... but I'd argue that doesn't really matter considering the state of our runblocking right now.
The defensive side of the ball is stacked with talent but is not performing as they should, and a rebuild will mean that unit will take some hits when guys get shipped off for draft picks.
If this draft is truly a down year overall for QB talent, I would hope that we trade back for future picks and hit the mid-rounds hard for those support pieces. I also think our Oline is going to require some expensive FA talent infusion if we want to get this offense going sooner rather than later.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
And that's pretty much been my premise all along. What I fear is they will draft fourth or fifth and their main target will be gone. And as a result they will simply go to the second, third or fourth QB on their board because that happens to be who is left to pick from in desperation and make yet another huge mistake.
To say I don't trust the current powers that be with making the next attempt at drafting a franchise QB is a huge understatement.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
IMHO it matters not as I want (at least at this point) the best LOT who I believe is Will Campbell. As our Oline is aging and injury-prone, I would take a C/OG in the 2nd round. Bitonio and Teller should have a few years left in them. Wills/Concklin at ROT to anchor the right side. "Buy" the best QB available until you have the opportunity to develop one (BZ perhaps?).
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IMHO it matters not as I want (at least at this point) the best LOT who I believe is Will Campbell. As our Oline is aging and injury-prone, I would take a C/OG in the 2nd round. Bitonio and Teller should have a few years left in them. Wills/Concklin at ROT to anchor the right side. "Buy" the best QB available until you have the opportunity to develop one (BZ perhaps?).
It'll be tough to "buy" anything worth the trouble until Watson is off the books, otherwise I agree with you.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I don't watch college quarterbacks the same as the pros especially guys with limited experience.
They are going to make mistakes. You have to see if the mistakes are correctable. Guys with arm talent are going to force throws in college.
In addition you have to look at the offense the team runs and what they "expect" from their QB.
What I want to see is the good and the bad. They are not finished products.
What is important is can they make the type of plays that successful NFL qb's make.
Anticipate open. Throw the receiver open. Ball placement. Throws to all levels with touch. Where are his eyes? Staring down a receiver or can he move db's with where he is looking. His poise under pressure and movement in the pocket. Can he stand tall and deliver a throw with pressure in his face?
Lots of little things.
IMO you have to be able to play in the pocket. Too many guys bail early. They roll out which cuts the field in half.
Scrambling is ok when called for but I see poor pocket discipline way to much.
Right now I like Cam Ward. It's from what I've seen of him. There are more games to play so there will be more info on him. Just because I like him obviously doesn't mean we should draft him but it's just how I feel now.
At the same time you can't focus on his good games and ignore the bad ones. You have to take all of his games as a whole if you plan to come up with an objective look at their talents and weaknesses. Too many times we've seen even experts in the NFL get duped by becoming awe struck over college QB's and ignore their weaknesses. It's an easy thing to do.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I will let the college season play out. Lot of big games to play.
I am undecided.
So far I like Nussmeier because IMO his game works in the NFL.
However, long way to go and I have not really done a deep dive yet.
I think Nussmeier is the best coached. I don't think he'll be anywhere near the best player. Career backup and future coach, maybe.
When everything is great around him, he can make the right decisions. Out of structure or the pre snap read was wrong and it can get pretty ugly. Not sure he has the caliber of tools to be wrong, but make things right anyways.
I'm not loving any of the QBs that I've seen touted.
I'd probably go Milroe if I had to choose one at this point. Not because I think he's great, but I can see a Hurts-like path for him potentially.
Maybe Nussmeier could be Goff. He'd need to land in the right spot. Unfortunately, I don't think we're anyone's "right spot," and I don't see a prospect that feels like he might lift any organization. I think we need to shore up the line before that style of QB could work.
I don't think Ewers is it.
I want to like Ward, but I'm not sure how well what he does translates. Seems to rely a lot on being elusive, but I'm not sure he's elusive enough for it to work consistently at the next level.
Honestly, I haven't followed college ball anywhere close to how much I have in the past, so take that with a grain of salt.
If Jeanty is there in round 2, my curiosity is piqued. Should be good RBs there if he's not.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I didn't watch the whole game but saw most of the first half of the AL. vs LSU.
Milroe is some kind of athlete. Blazing speed. He can make some throws but struggles with others. He showed good touch and accuracy on the short throws. Some screens and check downs are not routine. Ball placement is key. He does that well.
He had a clean pocket throw down the middle on a deep seam pass. The receiver was NFL open. Milroe over threw him by 3 yards.
He has great upside if can learn how to play from the pocket and not be so reliant upon his running ability.
Nussmeier has an NFL arm. He has great footwork and a quick release. He is a first year starter and may stay in school.
He is a lot like young guys who have big time arm talent. They think every throw can be made. They end up throwing pics.
Farve was like that so was Mahomes and Josh Allen.
I saw some of the Cam Ward game. There was good and bad.
There are 4 teams vying for the basement right now: Browns, Patriots, Panthers, Titans. We are currently behind Panthers & Patriots by virtue of Strength of Schedule, so we need both of them to win at least one.
The Titans *could* find a way to lose to the Patriots next week, but the chances of the Panthers winning even one more game looks slim.
I am not saying it can't happen, but the Titans just drafted Will Levis and the Pats just drafted Drake Maye. I would be shocked if those teams gave up on those guys after a rookie season.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
The evaluation of college quarterbacks is extremely hard.
It is easy to judge them as college players.
The hard part is forecasting how a college player will develop into an NFL franchise quarterback.
College players play in different systems. They play different schedules. They face different defenses and different levels of talent.
The NFL is a different level of play. All the players are great by comparison to college. They are bigger, faster grown men with NFL experience.
Open in the NFL in most cases is tight compared to college. The overall speed of the game is faster.
So when you watch a mobile college quarterback roam around and look for an open guy and then throw. You are not watching a typical NFL play. His numbers can look great and it can be very deceiving.
You can look at a college stat line and know very little about the talent of the player.
Case in point. Bad games and ints can be misleading. A college QB with lots of ints does not mean he will bomb in the NFL.
College players are not finished products.
Give me a quarterback who is decisive and confident in his arm and throws some pics over an indecisive scrambler who can put up gaudy college numbers.
Forecasting college quarterbacks into the NFL has been far from a science.
Scouts can see the physical traits. They can learn about the character of the player. What is difficult is to watch a college quarterback and know if he can process in the NFL. Read, react, adjust, in milliseconds.
There are way more failures than successes in evaluating college quarterback prospects.
The way I see it today is the two guys who have my attention are Milroe and Nussmeier.
They are very different players. There is a path for both players to become successful NFL quarterbacks.
Milroe has crazy potential. He is some kind of athlete. Blazing speed. A guy who no doubt could be a running back. He has the size, the speed, and determination of a very good pure running back.
As a passer he has raw potential. He has the arm. He lacks experience. He is indecisive as a passer. And he is quick to rely on his natural running skills. He actually is ahead of where Lamar was as a passer coming into the league. He still needs coaching and experience to play from the pocket. He has a ways to go to learn how to go through progressions. He has to learn how to read defenses. The fine points of playing quarterback are years away. With that being said this guy has the intangibles. He is smart. He graduated. He is a leader. He is a driven young man who will work to reach his massive potential. The sky is the limit but it will take patience to get there.
I like the guy and would be thrilled to get him.
Garrett Nussmeier is way different. He has natural classic throwing skills. Beautiful mechanics. Great footwork. Super fast clean release. The ball jumps out of his hand. He can move enough in the pocket. I see him like a Romo or Farve. He has that arm confidence that he can make any throw and fit it in there. As a first year player he will make errors of forcing the ball and throwing pics. However, make no mistake this guy can spin it.
Hard working driven kid. The son of a coach. I love the confidence he plays with. He is again only a first year starter. He could stay in school. If so he will be a top pick next year. If he comes out this year. He will probably be below a top ten pick.
On draft day Shedeur is there for the Browns to draft. We trade the pick to the Cowboys for Dak.
We can throw in DW for nothing. In fact we will pay half his salary to get rid of him.
I have no interest in Dion. Don't want headlights and glitter. Drafting his son is begging for intervention that would be more of a distraction than benefit.
Haslam will draft Sanders and calamity will ensue.
I have never wanted a player less than anyone associated with Deion. He is worse than LaVar Ball
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I couldn't agree more Bone. We don't need Deion's nonsense. Let someone else draft his son. Look at all the trouble we had with OBJ's father and really who is OBJ's father? I'll pass. And I'm sure we're one of the teams he doesn't want his son to play for given our history.
I thought I saw a couple blurbs out there about Shedeur kinda throwing his line under the bus after a rough game.
That kinda ish is gonna go over like a lead balloon in an NFL locker room.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Drafting quarterbacks into the NFL is really something.
Every year you can look at the top rated and then drafted quarterbacks. Then at the end of their first year. If you had a chance to re-draft. Your order could change completely.
Last year: Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix, Penix. Would you draft them in the same order now?
You could do that every year. It proves that NFL teams do "Not" know how to draft quarterbacks.
This coming draft:
Top five ranked quarterbacks:
Sanders, Ward, Ewers, Milroe, Nussmeier.
Before this college season began that was not the top guys.
If I were to set the order of the top five now this would be it:
Milroe, Nussmeier, Ewers, Sanders, Ward.
I have Milroe at the top because I believe in his potential. He is not the best quarterback today. He is the best athlete of those five. In fact when he is on the field he is probably the best athlete every week.
He has a ways to go to learn how to play the position. Right now he depends so much on his legs that passing is secondary. It has nothing to do with the raw ability to throw the ball. He can spin it. He has the arm. He lacks the experience of playing from the pocket and all that goes with that. He needs good coaching and time.
Nussmeier is another inexperienced player. A first year starter. Understand what that means. You don't even know how to get through a year. A football season is filled with ups and downs and you have never experienced that before. And you are going into the NFL after one college season as a starter. Please. What I see in Nussmeier is a guy who of those five makes the most NFL type throws. He has a great arm with a quick release. He throws guys open. He can fit the ball into tight coverage. At the same time his inexperience leads to mistakes. He forces throws. He has to learn when to take what is there. You bank on his growth.
Ewers has a smooth game but he doesn't have the pure talent as the others.
Sanders knows how to play. I like his overall makeup. However, he is not an overwhelming talent. He does most things well but not great.
Ward is another athlete. He can look very good at times. My issue with him is how he plays not his results. I hate his footwork. His fundamentals are not so hot. He drifts in the pocket with bad alignment to throw the ball. He holds the ball. I see problems with his game translating to the NFL. I admit though that I have not watched enough of him.
Fast forward to the end of the 2025 season. Hell it could be all wrong.
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