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The Brookpark Dome, home of the Haslam Clown Show, a billionaire’s toy hobby and a way to wash his ill gotten gains. That’ll make a killer tee.

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Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted by WingyWhit
I hate to sound like a Tin Foil hat... but there is a path for Haslam to move the team out of state.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024...oke-modell-law-to-block-browns-move.html

I'll believe the Dome when I see it....

Kucinich is simply saying this to try and be relevant again.

plus, this....

"Bibb’s team declined to respond to cleveland.com’s questions about whether the sin tax money could flow to Brook Park"


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The tax that just won't die.
It was added to build the Gateway complex and has never left us... it just needs to be killed off.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
The Brookpark Dome, home of the Haslam Clown Show, a billionaire’s toy hobby and a way to wash his ill gotten gains. That’ll make a killer tee.

I won't disagree that Haslam has done a terrible job in terms of who he has hired as the GM's in the past or maybe in the case of Dorsey not sticking with a plan long enough to let it play out.

But Haslam has sold off Pilot Flying J and the Browns are his biggest investment. He may be bad at what he's doing but billionaire's don't consider their biggest investment a "toy hobby".


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Well, I happy you found a sliver of opposition to my view of this debacle. Are you feeling warm and fuzzy all over now? Ffs, smh.

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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Well, I happy you found a sliver of opposition to my view of this debacle. Are you feeling warm and fuzzy all over now? Ffs, smh.

He could have gotten in to what you think would make a killer Tee. Only a simpleton would buy that.


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No, only a simpleton would take that seriously. Just pointing out how screwed we are due to poor ownership management. But, you knew that…

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My bad.

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In your case I think purple would be helpful. With all the rants you post it's very hard to tell when you're serious and when you're not.


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The way I read the law is the Haslams will need to offer up the team to new owners that are willing to keep the team where it is before they can move out of the tax revenue area that is currently supporting and supplementing the stadium in the first place.

I hope the court throws out their law suit and forces the Haslams to sell.


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The team isn’t even leaving the county, they should win this pretty easily.


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Even if the city gets a group of investors to make an offer... the Haslams don't have to accept it.

As others have mentioned, the city of Cleveland is less than 1,000 feet from the location of the new stadium and the county will still get the taxes.

I wonder if the city of Brookpark is getting any services from the city of Cleveland... That could get interesting.


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CIty is grasping at straws, maybe if they weren't such a crooked government, they could have made a better plan.. Haslam/browns have fulfilled the terms of the lease. The city can pound sand. They have no case.. Not even a little. They are just trying to get some concession or kickback to save face


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
The way I read the law is the Haslams will need to offer up the team to new owners that are willing to keep the team where it is before they can move out of the tax revenue area that is currently supporting and supplementing the stadium in the first place.

I hope the court throws out their law suit and forces the Haslams to sell.

They don't have to sell. If they entertain offers, all they have to do is say it isn't enough, no thanks. The owner of a team can value the team at whatever amount they choose.

If your house is "worth" $200,000 nothing says you can't put it on the market for $900,000. It's a private sale. You can sell it for whatever you want. If you find someone dumb enough to pay the asking price, good for you.

You also have the sticky situation that the NFL could nix any deal since prospective owners have to be approved by the other NFL owners. Something tells me the other owners wouldn't be keen on a city forcing another team owner to sell.

It's a simple law written by simpletons.


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I said it in 1996, 97 and 98. We should have built a dome the likes of which could not be duplicated back then... On this one, I think Peen is right. If it's cheaper, Cleveland will think it's better. Short sighted thinking from the jump.


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I think you will find the wording requires Haslam to keep the team "within the greater Cleveland area" and not "within the city limits of Cleveland".

Brook Park qualifies and this is just grasping at straws and desperation. Yet another frivolous lawsuit.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I think you will find the wording requires Haslam to keep the team "within the greater Cleveland area" and not "within the city limits of Cleveland".

Brook Park qualifies and this is just grasping at straws and desperation. Yet another frivolous lawsuit.


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No owner of a professional sports team that uses a tax-supported facility for most of its home games and receives financial assistance from the state or a political subdivision thereof shall cease playing most of its home games at the facility and begin playing most of its home games elsewhere unless the owner either:

(A) Enters into an agreement with the political subdivision permitting the team to play most of its home games elsewhere;

(B) Gives the political subdivision in which the facility is located not less than six months' advance notice of the owner's intention to cease playing most of its home games at the facility and, during the six months after such notice, gives the political subdivision or any individual or group of individuals who reside in the area the opportunity to purchase the team.

The wording of 9.67 is political subdivision.

See 9.03 for the definition


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(1) "Political subdivision" means any body corporate and politic, except a municipal corporation that has adopted a charter under Section 7 of Article XVIII, Ohio Constitution, and except a county that has adopted a charter under Sections 3 and 4 of Article X, Ohio Constitution, to which both of the following apply:

(a) It is responsible for governmental activities only in a geographic area smaller than the state.

(b) It is subject to the sovereign immunity of the state.

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gives the political subdivision or any individual or group of individuals who reside in the area the opportunity to purchase the team.

So, he could literally offer to sell it to his son, or Dee, or a new corporation he creates and have that entity turn it down and that settles that aspect.

The city has no leg to stand on. Billionaires make their moves months before they make their moves because they can pay people to just check these things before they spring them on others, and they can pay others to double-check anything they aren't 100% comfortable with until they are comfortable with it.

I mean, we're all sitting here looking at the contract as if they've never done that. Raise your hand if you think Haslam and his people didn't examine every word and nuance of those contracts and laws before dropping the coin to buy 176 acres of land.


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Even when the lease is expiring? It's well in advance of six months of the 2028 season. So they can hold him legally bound to stay there with no agreed lease in place moving forward? I'm not sure how that would be legal under any circumstances.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Even when the lease is expiring? It's well in advance of six months of the 2028 season. So they can hold him legally bound to stay there with no agreed lease in place moving forward? I'm not sure how that would be legal under any circumstances.
My reply was specifically about location. There are teams of high priced lawyers making bonus over this.

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And the taxpayers of the city of Cleveland will have their tax dollars wasted in a losing cause. I don't see how it's in any way possible to hold someone to contractual terms on an expired lease.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And the taxpayers of the city of Cleveland will have their tax dollars wasted in a losing cause. I don't see how it's in any way possible to hold someone to contractual terms on an expired lease.

I don't see how Section 9.67 of the Ohio revised code cares about the lease.

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It won't work.


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It won't work.

Since you have no clear antecedent, can you define "it"?

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The law that's on the books. It will not stand up in court.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The law that's on the books. It will not stand up in court.


That's a hard call, but I do think the chances of it getting struck are higher than it being enforceable. It could be a lengthy court battle though.

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I'm sure it will be stretched out as long as the city can stretch it out. I'm sure the local Cleveland media will be doing everything in their power to get public sympathy and support to keep the fight going. That's what they do.


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It does seem it has been used previously in 2018. That does set some precedent.

My guess is Haslam and the city comes to an agreement where Haslam's wallet gets a tad lighter and the city can claim a win.

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And while they may claim a win if the new dome is built in Brook Park it will obviously be a loss.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And while they may claim a win if the new dome is built in Brook Park it will obviously be a loss.
I suppose that depends on how lighter Haslam's wallet is. There are other factors as well with the city providing transit and what they do with all the land.

We like staying at the Hilton and overlooking the lake for games. I think they should stay downtown.

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I think any business who wants to move to a better location that isn't under a lease or contractual agreement has the right to relocate. And especially in a case such as this where it's within reasonable proximity to where it is currently located. Trying to create laws that restrict a business who is not under a lease be forced to stay there goes against everything that sounds proper to me. It looks more like a hostage situation than a law.

In essence you are holding a business up for ransom and/or as a hostage. Such a law should never have been created in the first place and with the right attorney's it should never stand up in court.

In case you missed it, precedent doesn't mean much anymore and that extends all the way up to the highest court in the land.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I think any business who wants to move to a better location that isn't under a lease or contractual agreement has the right to relocate. And especially in a case such as this where it's within reasonable proximity to where it is currently located. Trying to create laws that restrict a business who is not under a lease be forced to stay there goes against everything that sounds proper to me. It looks more like a hostage situation than a law.

In essence you are holding a business up for ransom and/or as a hostage. Such a law should never have been created in the first place and with the right attorney's it should never stand up in court.

In case you missed it, precedent doesn't mean much anymore and that extends all the way up to the highest court in the land.


The business took public money. Don't want to be held to this law, don't take public money. The law was in place before Lerner paid the franchise fee and they have happily let the public spend money to better the business.

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And that's fine if you think that taking public money can hold a businessman hostage in perpetuity. I think that's where this entire thing will fall apart.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And that's fine if you think that taking public money can hold a businessman hostage in perpetuity. I think that's where this entire thing will fall apart.


The law isn't "in perpetuity" though is it?

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So what is the time frame Haslam is held to according to the law? 20 years? 30 years? The term of the lease? If there is no set ending that is perpetuity by definition.


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So what is the time frame Haslam is held to according to the law? 20 years? 30 years? The term of the lease? If there is no set ending that is perpetuity by definition.


9.67 has the answer. The business is responsible for handling it, they took public money they made themselves beholden to the public.

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I'm not looking up 9.67. If there is an expiration time period then there is. If there isn't then there should be. By the time the move would be made it will have been 29 seasons since the Browns had the new stadium. If that isn't long enough to hold someone to an agreement that's beyond the point of ridiculous.


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all this fuss and it's only about 1,000 feet outside of the City Limits of Cleveland notallthere notallthere


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Exactly. The entire things is ridiculous.


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