DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Not understanding the importance of context leads to misinformation.

None of you are able to even begin to rebutt any of this Post above and you call Trump a threat to Democracy?

Yes I did and I found them to be slanted and something you have grasped hold of to excuse the fact that trump has ran a crooked charity, a fake university, convicted on 34 felony counts and a jury found to have sexually assaulted a woman. You try and pretend that compares to trying to overthrow our election. Then you ask US how we can support something? You're so transparent.

You mean a bunch of empty accusations? That's straight from the trumpian playbook.

"I'll just throw out a bunch of wild accusations with nothing to substantiate them and you have to prove they're wrong!"

And all you posted were wild accusations with nothing to substantiate them. Pure trumpian style nonsense. While you refuse to rebut verifiable facts. You're becoming boring. If you wish to keep getting the attention you crave I suggest you step up your game.

BS. You have to say something of substance to form context… I’ve never heard substance come from Trumps mouth… yet it’s constantly producing grunts, other ‘weird’ noises, and his special weaved communications… smfh, this guy is dumb af, but I hear he has a concept of a brain.

I posted the context of the quote that Democrats are quoting out of context to support their bogus claim. The context would be the question that Trump was asked and the full body of his reply. You learn this stuff in Elementary School. Here's what we learn about the context.

The question. The question was about violent agitators on election day. Not Opponents.

The question was about what Trump expected would happen on election day. Trump would have no authority or power to use the military or national guard on election day.

Trump did not say "send them after" or "round them up" He said "take care of it." Take care of any possible violent agitators. That would be Biden's call on election day, not Trump's

Simple. cut and dry. So simple an elementary school kid can understand. So I'm still waiting for ANYTHING CLOSE to Trump saying he would use the military or guard against opponents. It doesn't have to be an exact quote, but it does need to be a quote where he says in so many words that he would use military or national guard against opponents.

Part of the context was the QUESTION Trump was asked. I suppose you think the one who asked the question only produced grunts and weird noises too.

I posted numerous pages of transcript material and at least a half dozen videos, none of which were addressed by the opposition. So far, you guys are ceding the argument by not responding to it. That's fine with me. Your attacking the interlocater (me) and you're attacking Trump, but that is not answering the arguments I've presented.

In debate, if you do not address an argument and choose to produce unrelated arguments instead, you are ceding the point. So far, every point that has been presented has been ceded by you all.

I gave several pages of word for word transcript and numerous videos in various threads, and none of them have been replied. If my accusations are empty, prove it by rebutting what I have provided. You can't. Just admit it.

Just a couple of comments since the impeachment proceedings were presented. An impeachment proceeding is not a court proceeding. It is a fundamentally political process that has its own rules.

Both entities are entitled to advocate their position.

It is by design inferior to a criminal and probably even a civil proceeding when both sides have to play by certain rules and those making allegations have the challenge of facing cross examination to establish facts.

That is why the output of impeachment is removal from office. The courts are place where the legal standard of guilt (criminal) or liable (civil) is determined.

It is also why Trump rarely if ever takes the stand in a court proceeding. Too risky.

So you’re okay with them trying to remove a democratically elected president twice by using misinformation, quotes taken out of context, manipulated social media posts, deceptively edited video clips, deceptively edited audio clips, et cetera

Do you don’t think that’s a part a dangerous political party?

Say that that makes them a threat to Democracy.

Copied from the other thread. "I don't rely on political parties to state the truth - far from that. I have and always held both parties in disregard. Personally, and before Trump, I always considered politics "The artful art of lying" Trump changed my opinion and the "artful" went away from the "art". So get a clue, both political parties can lie, (or shade the truth) and that is why it is called politics."

Yes, to answer you. Because that is the political process.

That is the format of the impeachment proceeding. I did not make the rules of engagement. The House and Senate did. That is one of the primary objectives of an impeachment proceeding. Taint the opposition and hope the voters agree with you. The D's did not have the political votes and went ahead with it at their own risk.

There is no fairness doctrine in politics. Just ask Bill Clinton or Mitch McConnell, Merrick Garland and Amy Coney Barrett (as examples).

Politics and Democracy is messy, yet better than all of the forms of government alternatives.

Ok, so you’re ok with manipulating evidence and lying by Taking things out of context, Deceptive editing, Fake Social media posts used, red check marks added where they don’t belong, showing video of Trump people watching supporters gather at speech site before speech, and claiming they were watching the capitol, Manipulating audio clips, and being lied to. And you believe anything they say at all. If it’s not on tape or video, I don’t believe it. all those quotes are disgruntled employees And don’t work with me. Just like actual word for word transcripts From mainstream media sources and videos showing Democrats saying to incite violence Doesn’t work with you

Good, because that’s the Democrat platform.

It’s funny that they accuse Trump supporters MSG of all being Nazis, When Jews, Blacks, And other races there. I think it’s an insult to the people who fought Hitler in World War II

Get a clue... it's politics.

Do you really think a politician would present a balanced argument in front of politicians and the press when there is limited opportunity for rebuttal, and the deciders are other politicians?

What about when the tables are turned?

Are you really that naive?

I don't have to accept your GOP talking points premise, nor do you have to accept mine.

In a courtroom setting the rules are different.

You remind me of the meme “The problem with quotes on the Internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine.” - Abraham Lincoln.

Enough with feeding the trolls for the day.

Why do you defend a truly horrible man? Trump is chaos incarnate with his BS hate and Nazi rhetoric. And I believe every damn word said about him being a stooge, a Russian puppet, a racist, a fascist, a narcissist, an imbecile, and a would-be autocratic dictator. So waist all the time you want trying to dance around and decode his word salads… It’s like wondering why your guppy opens it’s mouth every 1.75 seconds…

And according to the guy from apprentice, they knew he was an imbecile and failed businessman, but they slapped so much lipstick on that pig that they tricked half the country into thinking he was genius. He’s a very small man with a very small mind fixated on self survival and pretty much runs his cons and misinformation campaign with every useful idiot that will help him spread them. You are one of them. And you can’t see that, right in front of your nose. So how about you go put your own life in order and quit trying to advocate for a LOSER. That trash is about to get taken out in November, hopefully to fade fast and go away permanently.

Honestly, I don't understand why You (or anyone else) engages with stuff like this in any way.


I took the time to read this Newb's product on Week One.

That's all it took, for me.
One week.

For me, it really isn't that difficult to ignore individuals like Stiffarm, without actually employing the site's "ignore" feature.
I simply scroll, until I see new names pop up in the thread. It's why I've never placed a single poster on 'ignore' in my entire time here at DT.


Simple.
Easy.
Fool-proof.

Personal standards: set... and (continuously) met.



If you willingly choose to waste your precious, continually-waning life's moments fighting with vacuous 'agent provocateurs' such as this, feel free.
I'm now old enough to recognize a 'waste of time' when I see it.


Clem won't use his time on posters like this.
There is nothing to be gained from the effort... and precious 'Life Time' lost, from engagement.

Clem has better things to do with his time.




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Other posters' mileage may vary.

MGH888 agrees with this message - even if I stray from time to time in in the interest of a poke.

Yes, by all means keep your heads in the sand.

These guys are so lost that they tried to rebutt me by using a post about Trump taking about SOMEONE using military on election day to control potential violent agitators.
That wouldn’t be Trump because he wouldn’t be president on election day But you won’t read this, you’ll scroll right past it. You can’t handle it.

BARTIROMO: I'm just wondering if these outside agitators will start up on Election Day. Let's say you win, I mean let's remember, you've got 50,000 Chinese nationals in this country in the last couple of years, you have people on the terrorist watchlist, 350 in the last couple of years. You've got — like you said — 13,000 murderers and 15,000 rapists. What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn't think it's going to be a peaceful Election Day.

TRUMP: Well, he doesn't have any idea what's happening in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come and… and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they're being inundated. But I don't think they're the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical-left lunatics. And I think… and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen.

Why did you use A quote from Trump about potential election day violence from violent agitators on ELECTION DAY to defend a ridiculous conspiracy theory ?

Do you think Trump will have the power to use the military on election day just wondering?

It’s obvious he wasn’t talking about himself using the military on election day seeing he will not be president on election day. So that video you posted? Pure BS. 😀

BARTIROMO: I'm just wondering if these outside agitators will start up on Election Day. Let's say you win, I mean let's remember, you've got 50,000 Chinese nationals in this country in the last couple of years, you have people on the terrorist watchlist, 350 in the last couple of years. You've got — like you said — 13,000 murderers and 15,000 rapists. What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn't think it's going to be a peaceful Election Day.

TRUMP: Well, he doesn't have any idea what's happening in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come and… and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they're being inundated. But I don't think they're the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical-left lunatics. And I think… and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen.

We have chosen not to follow your example.

Yes. You believe Trump will be able to use military on election day…or you don’t read.

That's in no way what I said. I said he can do exactly that after he is inaugurated. It's you who have made some feeble attempt to claim otherwise.

Context of “the military or national guard can take care of it “had nothing to do with inauguration day or any other day. The context was referring Solely to election day.

Microphone typo. Should “solely” to election day”

And you actually believe that's what he meant. Sad, just sad. You de realize that believing and quoting a habitual liar won't convince anyone, right?

This guy coming in hot like he did reads like an alt account, but I can't put my finger on who it is.

Somebody said it before... this isn't the first time an account comes out of nowhere and starts posting in every political thread, and with that similar political slant and aggressive lack of awareness.

Won't be the last.

No he can’t use the military until sworn in, on that DAY ONE he could.

And I posted a video BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR THE WORDS FROM HIS LIPS. Now you can’t face facts. Donnie is a fascist, and by extension of supporting him, so are YOU.

Yep, I called him 40, but that’s not him.

Speaking of misinformation.....



New data shows violent crime dropping sharply in major U.S. cities

New preliminary data from major U.S. cities shows a sharp drop in violent crime in the first half of the year — more than 25% in some communities — as the COVID-era crime wave recedes.

Why it matters: The drop in violent crime puts a serious dent in one of the most frequently used lines of attack by former President Trump and his allies, who have sought to tie Democrats to the issue since 2020.

It also gives Vice President Kamala Harris, a former prosecutor in San Francisco and California attorney general, a potent defense against attacks from the right on crime.

By the numbers: An Axios analysis of data from the Major Cities Chiefs Association found an overall 6% decline in violent crime among 69 cities during the first six months of 2024 compared to the same period last year.

54 of the 69 major cities in the report saw drops in violent crime — defined as homicide, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — in the first half of 2024, according to the Axios review.

Columbus, Ohio, experienced the largest percentage decline in violent crime in the nation, with a massive 41% drop so far in 2024. Omaha, Nebraska, was second with a 30% decrease.

Miami and Washington, D.C., so far, have seen 29% declines in violent crime.

Austin, Texas, saw a 28% drop, followed by New Orleans with a 26% decrease. Both cities have been under fire for rising crime rates in recent years.

The intrigue: The Axios review also found that the number of homicides in the 69 reported cities fell by more than 17% during the first half of 2024 compared to the last period last year.

Boston experienced a dramatic 78% drop in homicides.

Philadelphia was among others that saw a big fall in homicides, with a 42% decrease in 2024.

Between the lines: The Major Cities Chiefs Association's preliminary data did not include New York City — the nation's largest city — since it did not submit violent crime numbers to the organization for the first half of 2024.

Data from New York City, which is released on its own website, couldn't be compared to other cities in this report.

The NYPD's communications team — seeking to shape discourse around crime in New York — has taken a substantially more aggressive stance with politicians, the media and members of the public this year.

State of play: President Biden immediately seized on the new preliminary violent crime numbers showing a decline to tout the Our American Rescue Plan's assistance to police and gun violence legislation.

"Americans are safer today than when Vice President Harris and I took office," Biden said in a statement.

"I will continue to urge Congress to fund 100,000 additional police officers and crime prevention and community violence intervention programs, and make commonsense gun safety reforms such as a ban on assault weapons."

The other side: Trump has repeatedly posted misleading claims on social media that Harris has helped free people the Trump campaign described as dangerous criminals, according to the Washington Post.

"Harris is a pro-criminal extremist," Trump campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt told the Post.

Trump also has falsely claimed that many migrants who have or are trying to cross the border are coming from mental institutions and will commit violent crimes in large numbers.

Reality check: An Axios review of crime data along the U.S.-Mexico border found that those cities have some of the nation's lowest violent crime rates.

The bottom line: Facts and data about crime are important, but history shows political campaigns can ignore the facts to exploit people's fears about crime to change the narrative.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/12/violent-crime-harris-trump-election

He must have been referring to when he was still president.

PRICELESS! Dupes on X, being dupes on X. You can’t make this crap up. Sorry, you fall for this crap MB.

Well that's all he has to offer these days. Slanted, bias X users acting as though they're legitimate news sources. And the results of that are exactly what one would think it looks like when you try to use political hacks on X as a news source.

Well, i think I figured out who’s alt account it is. At least one or maybe two alt accounts. Pretty sure Sniffarm is Clown Hunter or Vambo; because clown hunter might be an alt too.


https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthre...ate-to-say-i-told-you-so-but#Post1960647

The posting style is reminiscent of Vambo or some poster (haven’t found the name yet) that asked us to reinstate him because he was a good dude. But stiffarm is way to familiar to be new.

"Asked us"? Hmmmmm......

Yeah, I think he's a former poster ghosting here as well.

The guy must be an idiot. The truth was available and I know I saw / found it and it had sweet FA to do with Twitter.

He's not the idiot here.

Trump does however have useful idiots posting on this board.

Fact check: Trump, repeating the same lies, makes at least 18 false claims in Mar-a-Lago remarks

Rinse and repeat.

As Election Day approaches, former President Donald Trump keeps telling the same lies at event after event – many about immigration, but many others about a variety of additional topics.

Here is a fact check of 18 false claims in his Tuesday remarks at his Mar-a-Lago club and residence in Florida. This is not intended as a comprehensive list of his false claims at the event.

Harris’ border role: Trump falsely claimed that President Joe Biden appointed Vice President Kamala Harris “as the border czar,” adding that, regardless of the term, “she was responsible for the borders, totally responsible.” Biden never made Harris “border czar,” a label the White House has always emphasized is inaccurate, and never put her in charge of border security, a responsibility of Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas. In reality, Biden gave Harris a more limited immigration-related assignment in 2021, asking her to lead diplomacy with El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras in an attempt to address the conditions that prompted their citizens to try to migrate to the United States.

The people on the ICE non-detained list: Trump, referring to a list of immigrants with homicide convictions, repeated his false claim that Harris “let the more than 13,000 convicted illegal aliens – nobody would have let these people into our country.” In reality, the Department of Homeland Security and independent experts have noted that this figure is about people who entered the country over decades, including during Trump’s own administration, not just under Biden and Harris – and the figure includes people who are currently incarcerated in federal, state and local prisons and jails. You can read more here.

Migrants in Springfield, Ohio: Trump falsely claimed of Springfield, Ohio: “They dropped 32,000 illegal aliens. They tried to give them legal terminology, but – it’s not. Illegal aliens, 32,000 into a 50,000 person town, beautiful town, no problems, and now they don’t know what to do.”

This is false in more than one way. While we don’t know the immigration status of each and every Haitian immigrant in Springfield, the community is, on the whole, in the country lawfully. The Springfield city website says, “YES, Haitian immigrants are here legally, under the Immigration Parole Program. Once here, immigrants are then eligible to apply for Temporary Protected Status (TPS).” Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine wrote in a New York Times op-ed about Springfield in September that the Haitian immigrants “are there legally” and that, as a Trump-Vance supporter, he is “saddened” by the candidates’ disparagement of “the legal migrants living in Springfield.”

Second, nobody “dropped” the immigrants into Springfield; the city’s Haitian residents were not sent there by a government resettlement program. Rather, they independently decided to move to the city because of employment opportunities, affordable housing and the presence of a Haitian community, among other factors.

And while there is no official tally of the number of immigrants in Springfield, Trump’s “32,000” figure greatly exceeds local estimates. The website for the city of Springfield says there are an estimated 12,000 to 15,000 immigrants in the county that includes Springfield, where the total population is about 138,000. Chris Cook, the county’s health commissioner, said in July that his team estimated the best number was 10,000 to 12,000 Haitian residents in the county.

A gang and Aurora, Colorado: Trump falsely claimed that a gang from Venezuela has “literally taken over the town” in Aurora, Colorado, adding “they’ve taken over large sections of the town.”

The gang has members in Aurora and has caused problems in some apartment buildings, but it has not come close to taking over the city. Republican Aurora Mayor Mike Coffman said in a September joint statement, issued with the conservative chair of the city council’s public safety committee, that the gang “has not ‘taken over’ the city” and that problems with the gang “experienced at a select few properties do not apply to the city as a whole or large portions of it.” Coffman noted that the city’s police department had linked 10 people to the gang and arrested eight.

The number of migrants: Trump repeated his false claim that Harris “left 21 million aliens pour across our country,” meaning “let” rather than “left.” Through September, the country had recorded under 11 million nationwide “encounters” with migrants during the Biden administration, including millions who were rapidly expelled from the country; even adding in so-called gotaways who evaded detection, estimated by House Republicans as being roughly 2 million, there’s no way the total is “21 million.”

Foreign countries and jails: Trump repeated his false claim that foreign leaders around the world have emptied their jails to allow their criminals to migrate to the United States.

“I said, ‘I know what they’re going to do. They’re going to open up their jails and just dump them into the United States.’ And that’s what happened.” He said he was talking not just about countries near the US but “all over South America, all over the Middle East, all over Asia, all over Europe, all over Africa.”

There is no evidence for this claim. The recorded global prison population increased from October 2021 to April 2024, from at least about 10.77 million people to at least about 10.99 million people, according to the World Prison Population List compiled by experts in the United Kingdom.

“I do a daily news search to see what’s going on in prisons around the world and have seen absolutely no evidence that any country is emptying its prisons and sending them all to the US,” Helen Fair, co-author of the prison population list and research fellow at the Institute for Crime & Justice Policy Research at Birkbeck, University of London, said in June, when Trump made a similar claim.

Venezuela and jails: Trump repeated his baseless story about Venezuela in particular “emptying their jails into our country,” adding, “They’ve taken all their criminals, most of them – the rest are coming, they’re all coming – they’ve taken their drug dealers, and they’ve put them into the United States of America. Thank you very much, Kamala, appreciate it.”

There is no basis for the claim that Venezuela has somehow deliberately “put” criminals into the United States, and Trump has never corroborated the claim that it is emptying its prisons for migration purposes; experts have told CNN, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org that they know of no evidence for it.

“We have no evidence that the Venezuelan government is emptying its prisons or mental health institutions to send them outside the country, in other words, to the U.S. or any other country,” Roberto Briceño-León, founder and director of the Venezuelan Observatory of Violence, an independent organization that tracks violence in the country, said in an email to CNN in June, after Trump made similar claims.

Harris and “missing” or “dead” children: Trump falsely claimed that, under Biden and Harris, “325,000 children are missing, dead, sex slaves or slaves – 325,000 children who came in through the open border are now missing. Many of them are dead.”

Trump was grossly distorting federal statistics.

He appeared to be referring to an August report from the Homeland Security Department’s Office of Inspector General, which said ICE reported more than 32,000 unaccompanied migrant children failed to appear as scheduled for immigration court hearings after being released or transferred out of custody between fiscal years 2019 and 2023 – a period that, notably, includes two years and four months under the Trump administration. The report also said that 291,000 unaccompanied migrant children during this period were not given notices to appear in court.

The report said that ICE has “no assurances” these children “are safe from trafficking, exploitation, or forced labor.” But it did not definitively assert that any of them were being exploited – let alone that many are dead, a claim experts say is nonsense.

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, told CNN in a message this summer: “Long story short, no, there are not 320,000 kids missing. 32,000 kids missed court. That doesn’t mean they’re missing, it means they missed court (either because their sponsor didn’t bring them or they are teenagers who didn’t want to show up). The remaining 291,000 cases mentioned by the OIG are cases where ICE hasn’t filed the paperwork to start their immigration court cases.”

FEMA and North Carolina: Trump repeated his false claim that the federal government has not responded to Hurricane Helene in North Carolina, saying, “They haven’t shown up. They’re not in North Carolina. The people of North Carolina have suffered incredibly and there’s just nobody to help them. “

This is not even close to true; the Federal Emergency Management Agency immediately responded to the disaster in North Carolina and said Friday that it had more than 1,700 staff deployed in the state. FEMA said on October 16 that it had approved more than $100 million in individual aid to North Carolina residents.

At a briefing in early October, North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, said, “We’re grateful for the quick actions and close communications that we have had with the president and with the FEMA team.” State emergency management director Will Ray said at the briefing: “We’re grateful for the support not just from the 22 states that have sent teams to support us but also from our FEMA team and other members of the federal family.”

FEMA and migrants: Trump, still criticizing the hurricane response, said of FEMA: “They said that the money was spent on bringing illegal migrants into our country – they spent close to a billion dollars.”

FEMA did not spend its disaster relief money on undocumented people.
Congress appropriated the agency more than $35 billion in disaster relief funds for fiscal 2024, according to official FEMA statistics, and also gave FEMA a much smaller pool of money, $650 million in fiscal 2024, for a program aimed at helping communities shelter migrants. Contrary to Trump’s claims, these are two separate pots of funds.

Trump and the Nord Stream 2 pipeline: Trump repeated his false claim that he “ended” Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany. He did not end the project. In reality, he signed sanctions related to the pipeline into law about three years into his presidency, when the pipeline was already about 90% complete, and the state-owned Russian company behind the project announced in December 2020 that construction was resuming.

Veterans Choice: Trump revived one of the lies he told most frequently as president, falsely claiming he got the Veterans Choice program approved after others had “been trying to do this for 48 years.” The Veterans Choice program was actually signed into law in 2014 by his predecessor, President Barack Obama. Trump signed a law in 2018, the VA MISSION Act, that expanded and modified the program established under Obama.

Who pays tariffs: Trump repeated his frequent false claim that, through tariffs, “China paid us hundreds of billions of dollars.” US importers make the tariff payments, not China, and study after study has found that Americans bore the overwhelming majority of the cost of Trump’s tariffs on China.

Previous presidents and tariffs on China: Trump repeated his frequent false claim that no previous president had imposed tariffs on Chinese imports, saying, “No other president’s gotten 10 cents from China.” The US was actually generating billions per year in revenue from tariffs on Chinese imports before Trump took office; in fact, the US has had tariffs on Chinese imports since 1789. Trump’s predecessor, Obama, imposed additional tariffs on Chinese goods.

Inflation: Trump blamed Harris for causing “the worst inflation in our lifetime, maybe the worst inflation we’ve ever had, because I don’t think they’re – I mean, I know for a fact they’re not adding all of the numbers; if they did, I think it’s the worst inflation probably in our – the lifetime of the country.”

Aside from the claim about Harris’ role, it’s not true the US has had its worst inflation ever during the Biden administration or that the Bureau of Labor Statistics isn’t “adding all of the numbers”; Trump could fairly say that the US inflation rate hit a 40-year high in June 2022, when it was 9.1%, but that was not close to the all-time record of 23.7%, set in 1920. (And the rate has since plummeted. The most recent available inflation rate at the time Trump spoke here was 2.4% in September.)

The European Union and products: Trump made a subjective claim that the “European Union is taking advantage of us,” then repeated his false claim that “they don’t take our product.” While the European Union certainly has some trade barriers that make it harder for US companies to export products there, it’s a massive exaggeration to categorically declare “they don’t take our product.” The US exported more than $639 billion worth of total goods and services to the European Union in 2023.

The trade deficit with the European Union: Trump repeated another false claim about the European Union: “We have a deficit with them of over $300 billion, think of that.” The US goods and services trade deficit with the European Union was about $125 billion in 2023. Even counting goods trade alone and excluding services, the 2023 deficit was about $201 billion.

The formation of the European Union: Trump revived a false claim from his presidency, asserting that the European Union was created to take advantage of the US: “I mean, look, they united in order to take advantage of the United States. That’s why they united. That’s why they formed their coalition. And that was done to take advantage of the United States.”

Experts on the EU told CNN during Trump’s presidency that there is no basis for such claims, noting that US presidents had consistently supported European integration efforts. “The President’s claims are preposterous,” Desmond Dinan, a public policy professor at George Mason University who is an expert in the history of European integration, said during Trump’s presidency. “The European Communities (forerunner of the EU) were formed in the 1950s as part of a joint US-Western European plan to stabilize and secure Western Europe and promote prosperity, by means of trade liberalization and economic growth, throughout the shared transatlantic space.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

Here’s some new data I found for you. When Trump said “root out the enemies from within, he was talking about using peaceful, democratic methods (primary voting, general election voting, etc )Another nail in the coffin of your deflections.



https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/2090864/re-nazi-rhetoric#Post2090864[quote]Donald Trump 01:42:11-01:42:31 (19 sec)
We have to come up with votes because there's a point at which they're cheating, can't get it done. There s a point at which the cheating can't get it done, so get every patriot you know and get them out to deliver a massive victory in the primary. But honestly, more importantly, in the election, the primary.
Donald Trump 01:42:31-01:43:01 (30 sec)
Let's get the primary done first. We'll be back here many times, but we got to get the primary done first. So join our campaign by visiting nh.donaldjtrump.com or text Trump to 88022, OK? 2024 is our final battle. With you at my side, and you've been at my side from the beginning, we will demolish the deep state.
Donald Trump 01:43:01-01:43:23 (22 sec)
We'll expel -- we're going to expel those horrible, horrible warmongers from our government. They want to fight everybody. They want to kill people all over the place, places we've never heard about before, places that want to be left alone. We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists, fascists.
Donald Trump 01:43:23-01:43:52 (29 sec)
We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. We will rout the fake news media until they become real. We will evict Joe Biden from the White House, and we will finish the job that we started better than anybody has ever started a job before. The great silent majority is rising like never before.
Donald Trump 01:43:52-01:44:35 (44 sec)
And under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten no longer. You're going to be forgotten no longer. With your help, your love, and your vote, we will put America first. And today, especially in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, they'll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American dream.
Donald Trump 01:44:35-01:45:13 (38 sec)
The real threat is not from the radical right. The real threat is from the radical left, and it's growing every day, every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they're not going to want to play with us, and they didn't. Despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country, we will make America great again.[/FX quote][b][/b]