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Nahhh.
Given the same trade, performance and history of sexual abuse allegations and the NFLs investigation condemning DW in no uncertain terms..... Every fan base in the NFL would have reacted the same way. Denying that would be head in sand stuff.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Timing tells the story. The timing of when they booed tells you everything. We live in a world where disgusting behavior is not only tolerated these days, but sometimes even rewarded. There's no excuse for that. Perception.
The fans have a right to boo. I think many fans went to the game expecting to lay it on.
That is the only way they can voice their displeasure.
From the players perspective their perception was the fans were cruel. "Boo, good he got hurt, glad he is done and not going to play."
You cannot assume to know the intentions of every fan who booed.
If like this guy says "it was aimed at the owner." Fine. How is DW or the players supposed to know what they are booing?
All this will pass in time.
What is left is a team with no quarterback. I doubt that DW will play another down in Cleveland. In fact his career may be over.
The Browns have to carry on and figure out a way to compete. this is such a bad take.. Noone on earth are confused of where the boos and cheers were directed. To say otherwise is showing another level of idiocy. What those dumb fans at the stadium did was piss alot of current players off and like Quincy said, won't want to play here anymore. Just a classless fan base. Maybe Myles should be more careful with his wordings. Watson got 230m. Watson is viewed as questionable character. The Browns decision makers didn’t read the room or was smart enough to understand that many supporters strongly disagrees with their decision to keep playing their 230m QB despite him being worthless so far. Context matters. Berry seems to be too afraid to talk. Communicate and maybe people will at least understand even if they don’t agree with all of it. Stefanski is himself. “We have to do better.. “ rata rata taa. With that said. I also thought it was classless to boo but those who did it isn’t probably smart enough to realize the complications of their actions. .
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Well that’s their teammate, down with a terrible injury. Even if you hate him don’t cheer when he’s being carted off the field. I don’t blame them for backing their QB.
Whoever cheered was drunk or classless. Maybe both.
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Evert sporting event I've attended had fans cheering an injured player leaving the filed/court. Cheering for the injured...not the injury.
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Wow, I am so glad for your brilliance.
It is so enlightening to know that you can interpret so much in your observations.
This coming from a guy who as the game is being played knows so much "after each play."
How convenient.
And the way you constantly resort to insults of other posters. Another display of your superiority.
I am humbled by your insults. Please may I have another.
And the way you can you can interpret others intent from a distance. WOW. It must be a burden to be so psychic.
GFYS.
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Evert sporting event I've attended had fans cheering an injured player leaving the filed/court. Cheering for the injured...not the injury. Don't ruin the headlines!
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They cheer players that were injured as they are leaving the field when they know they are okay. Don't create fake headlines.
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I think that was my point.
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Wow, I am so glad for your brilliance.
It is so enlightening to know that you can interpret so much in your observations.
This coming from a guy who as the game is being played knows so much "after each play."
How convenient.
And the way you constantly resort to insults of other posters. Another display of your superiority.
I am humbled by your insults. Please may I have another.
And the way you can you can interpret others intent from a distance. WOW. It must be a burden to be so psychic.
GFYS. lol ok boomer, you're the one pretending to know what the fans meant and hate to be called out because you're wrong
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hate to be called out because you're wrong Based on what exactly? Did those cheering wait until watson was leaving the field to cheer? The problem looks like it may be that some people aren't smart enough to live as long as the boomers and even they know it. That's why they're so salty towards boomers.
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Prove I am wrong.
Oh you cannot because you do not know.
You think you know which is of course another sign of how much you do not know.
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Prove I am wrong.
Oh you cannot because you do not know.
You think you know which is of course another sign of how much you do not know. ...sure
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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I expected this outcome back in June. It was fairly easy to forecast. And we still don’t have a viable QB. It’s insanity! ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/GDh8LYl.jpeg)
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I expected this outcome back in June. It was fairly easy to forecast. And we still don’t have a viable QB. It’s insanity! I agree. This is why I feel like Haslam is purposely tanking the Browns. It sounds absolutely insane, even to me as I'm saying it but i just cannot figure out how else everything can be so obvious to the rest of us year and year but he keeps insisting we pick terrible options like Manziel, Baker and Watson just among QBs and terrible choices at many other postions/coaches too. Unless those stories are just covers for the coaches/GMS and he didn't really force those picks/deals.
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Sometimes we are neither.
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I’m good,,time to look forward and not look back.
I wonder how long it will take for the insurance company to ask for a second opinion.
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The Browns have a sign hanging now next to the freeway.
"Hiring quarterbacks apply in Berea."
DTR is not a backup. Winston is not wanted. Watson is done.
"We need three please." We need a primary guy to start. The draft does not have a real candidate. If we draft a guy he probably should not begin the season as the starter. The guy would have to show up and be more than was expected.
We might be able to trade for a guy. The only guy I see as a target would be JJ McCarthy. If we trade for him. He may be ready to start but he would have no NFL games under his belt. So patience would be required.
Free agents. Rodgers may be available? His choice to continue to play or not. If so it would be his choice from those who asked.
Cousins may or may not be available. Both Rodgers and Cousins are coming of Achilles. Both lost mobility. Both are on the downside.
Fields was on a one year deal as was Wilson. One or both may be available.
Other free agents:
Darnold, Wentz, Trey Lance, Garoppolo, Desmond Ridder, Flacco, Winston, Mac Jones, Drew Lock, Zach Wilson, Jacoby.
Outside of Darnold it looks like a quarterback soup line.
We have to come up with three guys.
My wish list is:
JJ McCarthy, Mac Jones, and Desmond Ridder.
I might want a later round draft pick like Milroe or Ewers to replace Ridder.
Mac Jones has experience and might be a good backup. I don't know much about him as far as character reputation etc. But he is a young guy with starting experience.
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Wow, I am so glad for your brilliance.
It is so enlightening to know that you can interpret so much in your observations.
This coming from a guy who as the game is being played knows so much "after each play."
How convenient.
And the way you constantly resort to insults of other posters. Another display of your superiority.
I am humbled by your insults. Please may I have another.
And the way you can you can interpret others intent from a distance. WOW. It must be a burden to be so psychic.
GFYS. lol ok boomer, you're the one pretending to know what the fans meant and hate to be called out because you're wrong Now that right there is funny... You call out someone for thinking they know what the fans are thinking and you are doing the same thing..
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Rodger's numbers were not bad. They would have been an upgrade over what we had.
He completed 63 percent of his pass attempts for 3,897 yards, 28 touchdowns, and 11 interceptions. He also picked up 107 yards on the ground. He played 17 games.
I have no idea if he would consider Cleveland?
I could get behind him even though he is not my favorite person.
He is one the NFL's greatest quarterbacks. So there is that.
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Rodgers contract has no guaranteed money for 2025... only an option bonus. He's currently doing his usual dramatic "I need to consider my future" thing. If I thought he was being sincere, I'd have no problem with an aging vet and future HoF'er weighing the pro's/cons with continuing to play, but he's clearly just a drama queen. I also don't think he's the kind of leader we need to get us back on the right track.
From his standpoint, I also find it hard to imagine him cutting bait from the Jets just to jump over to Cleveland.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Anything I would say regarding Rodgers or his experience in NY would be speculation.
When you reach his status everything you say is magnified and added on too.
If he were to end up in Cleveland. I could get behind him because he can play better than anybody we have.
Scheme wise he could play for KS. In fact I think they would be compatible.
The Browns are not in a position to be choosy. If he would come to Cleveland. We should welcome him.
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Jacoby please. I got good vibes when he was here.....
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j/c...
Geno Smith is my dark horse candidate to be the veteran QB the Browns acquire next season.
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I suppose if you wish to call trading a 1985 Yugo for a 1986 Chevette because it is better than what you have an argument could be made for getting Rodgers. But in both cases you would still be driving a POS. 
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He may not be what he once was but at least he was something at one time.
In NY in 2024.
3897 yds, 28 TD's 11 int's.
Then there is the fact that he will be a first ballot HOFer.
I don't think we have had someone like him on our team.
We need three quarterbacks. He is the best available.
POS maybe. But he is better than the others.
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Who are "the others"? A lot of first ballot HOF'ers "were" great QB's. They no longer are. The same goes for Rodgers.
You do realize that if you throw enough passes you can accumulate a lot of passing yards, right? Rodgers had a QBR of 48.1 for the season in 2024 with an average pass per completion of 6.7 yards.
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"Others."
Those who may be available.
There is no question the Browns are in a bad place in regards to any quarterbacks.
We have none. DTR proved he is not even backup material. Winston wore out his welcome and good cheer by being "well Winston."
Watson is finished in Cleveland.
The draft prospects all have question marks. Ward is the best of the bunch. He will be drafted first most likely.
There is lots of talk around that many don't have Sanders in the first round.
So what do the Browns do?
None of it is appealing. Especially when you look at the AFC.
Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Burrows, Stroud, Herbert, even Bo Nix and Drake Maye.
The Browns don't even have a quarterback currently.
Rodgers? His numbers last year coming off an Achilles were superior to anything we had.
So, we don't have many options and the ones we have are far from ideal.
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Even if the Browns can’t prove that Watson was engaging in activities that triggered a void of his guarantees, recent images on social media show him without a walking boot. Given the difficulty of rolling an ankle while in a walking boot, it’s possible that he wasn’t wearing a boot when he was supposed to be wearing a boot. If the team-specified rehab protocols required him to wear a boot, that could be another avenue for voiding the guarantees.
For the Browns, here’s the question: Do they want to play hardball with Watson? If they do, the first step is to fully investigate what he was doing when he rolled his ankle. The second step is to assess whether he rolled his ankle while not wearing a walking boot when he possibly should have been.
Given the magnitude of the remaining payments, a legal fight would be inevitable, if the Browns try to cut Watson off. And that opens the door for a settlement, with reduced guarantees and/or a reduced salary. Watson would have to decide whether to take an all-or-nothing risk in a grievance — or to manage the risk of losing by accepting less than he’s owed.
Time will tell what they opt to do. Based on the facts as developed during the team’s investigation of how and where and when the ankle was rolled, the Browns might be able to get out from under the worst contract in NFL history.
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"Based on his contract, the guarantees void if Watson is injured "as a result of skydiving, hang gliding, rock or mountain climbing, racing of any kind including as a driver or passenger, motorcycling, use of any off-road or all-terrain vehicle, professional wrestling, boxing, use of firearms, scuba diving, jet skiing, surfing, bungee jumping, basketball, diving, and snow or water skiing."
The team's announcement of Watson's re-injury says that he rolled his ankle in Miami. If he rolled his ankle by doing any of the things he is expressly prohibited from doing and the injury happened because of it, the Browns have an avenue for avoiding $92 million.
Even if the Browns can't prove that Watson was engaging in activities that triggered a void of his guarantees, recent images on social media show him without a walking boot. Given the difficulty of rolling an ankle while in a walking boot, it's possible that he wasn't wearing a boot when he was supposed to be wearing a boot. If the team-specified rehab protocols required him to wear a boot, that could be another avenue for voiding the guarantees.
For the Browns, here's the question: Do they want to play hardball with Watson? If they do, the first step is to fully investigate what he was doing when he rolled his ankle. The second step is to assess whether he rolled his ankle while not wearing a walking boot when he possibly should have been.
With $92 million at stake, and given that the contract has to date been a disaster for the Browns, why wouldn't they explore every possible strategy for legitimately avoiding the obligation? And, since they employ a chief strategy officer, wouldn't it be Paul DePodesta's job to strategize a path toward avoiding $92 million in cash and cap commitments to a player they'd undoubtedly cut if they could?"
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Paul Depodesta better be all over this, There is no other organization that would not pursue this avenue. If they find cause to void this horrific contract then you HAVE to do this. Please Paul show the fanbase that you are more than Mr. Analytics.
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Based on his contract, the guarantees void if Watson is injured "as a result of skydiving, hang gliding, rock or mountain climbing, racing of any kind including as a driver or passenger, motorcycling, use of any off-road or all-terrain vehicle, professional wrestling, boxing, use of firearms, scuba diving, jet skiing, surfing, bungee jumping, basketball, diving, and snow or water skiing." I think I speak for most of us when I say I hope he tore it again while skydiving off the mountain he just climbed while jet skiing and shooting fish while playing basketball.
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Being able to cut him and not pay him would mean a lot.
It would be like finding the money to pay off a credit card buried in your backyard.
A fast healing of a deep wound.
It would give the Browns some financial freedom to help get on track.
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"Others."
The Browns don't even have a quarterback currently.
Rodgers? His numbers last year coming off an Achilles were superior to anything we had. Using that as your measuring stick is what's gotten the Browns to where they are now. If you only look at the numbers you want to that sounds fine. But that requires you ignore other numbers like a QBR of 48.1 and him accumulating the stats you seem to keep using by playing dink and dunk having a 6.7 yards per average pass completion rate. Rodgers ranked 26th in QBR rankings of all NFL QB's for 2024. Hell, Winston ranked 20th in QBR. https://texanswire.usatoday.com/202...cks-including-c-j-stroud-total-qbr-2024/
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26 massage therapists say that yes, when it comes to court cases, you do want to play hardball with watson.
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His numbers are better than anything we had.
The "others" are not any better than Rodgers.
If not Rodgers who?
We need at least two so find them. Tell me who.
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