In the excitement about having a competent QB, we forget that the D kept Henry under 80 yards, didn’t allow Jackson to go off.
Our run D was very good, the interior played tough. Anyone follow Hall, Jr?
Yes and No on Henry. Yes, those were the numbers. But, it may have had as much to do with their play calling as our D. He was getting over 6 yards a carry (with his 2 yard TD pulling down the average,) but for whatever reason he only had 11 carries all game.
We did have some negative plays on him, but also gave up some fairly long runs. Run D had good moments and bad.
That's kind of the Schwartz D, though. Has a bit of boom or bust to it.
We did pretty well against what they called. Put them in bad down and distances fairly regularly. Kept Lamar harassed and uncomfortable where he couldn't set his feet to throw consistently.
I thought Hall looked pretty good. Disruptive, but still kind of putting it all together. Hard to get a solid read on ability to finish against Lamar.
I think part of the reason Z might be expendable is that McGuire looks like he's coming on.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
that's a sneaky good move. Herbert has some talent
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
thats a way bigger price tag than I would have imagined
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Doesn't he not see the field well and has trouble throwing accurately and on-time?
Yup... definitely sounds like a QB we'd go out and get to run a KS offense.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Here is the statement he made yesterday. The media made a big deal out of it claiming it was some sort of immature reaction to being benched. Today it looks a lot like he knew what was going to officially happen today. I'm pretty sure he was told what was coming......
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
That's kind of a loaded question at the moment. As of now they have only won two games. So where will they end up drafting? #1, #2, #3? It's quite the unknown at this juncture.
Let's say for the sake of argument they end up drafting #1 in the upcoming draft. What are the odds they'll end up drafting that high next year? Do they think the first QB drafted in this years draft will be worse than say the 3rd or 4th QB in next years draft?
I don't have the answer to that question but if the above scenario plays out you can bet that question will be one they will consider in making such a decision.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
With the expectation Watson was playing through his contract, thus avoiding the cap issue. I believe Berry's backup plan is to stick with Winston, or someone similar, and draft/develop a QB.
Stefanski and Dorsey direct the offense scheme to what Stefanski played last year with Flacco. I thought that showed well last night against Pittsburgh. I hope they continue with this thought since it seems a much better fit and this is their identity moving forward.
Is there a quarterback in this draft who fits this scheme? Me personally. I think they want a "Lamar Jackson" type. Can Berry achieve what Baltimore did? That is the million-dollar question!
I think Stefanski and Dorsey can develop a QB. Ideally, the time and flexibility Andy Reid had to develop Mahomes would be nice. It works as a backup plan to the Watson experience.
Ah, what to do with Watson these next two years? Another never-before problem another NFL team has not overcome! Can Berry leave him on IR for two years?
With the expectation Watson was playing through his contract, thus avoiding the cap issue. I believe Berry's backup plan is to stick with Winston, or someone similar, and draft/develop a QB.
Unless someone wants to help us out in exchange for modest draft capital (unlikely) I don't see how we get out from under the Watson contract without either eating a ton of dead cap all at once or keeping him on the roster (preferably as a backup).
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Stefanski and Dorsey direct the offense scheme to what Stefanski played last year with Flacco. I thought that showed well last night against Pittsburgh. I hope they continue with this thought since it seems a much better fit and this is their identity moving forward.
Is there a quarterback in this draft who fits this scheme? Me personally. I think they want a "Lamar Jackson" type. Can Berry achieve what Baltimore did? That is the million-dollar question!
I have serious doubts on what Stefanski can do with a "non-Stefanski" QB. IMO, KS's strength as an HC/OC is his system. He has NOT proven that he can mold his system to the strengths of his players. Obviously Watson being horrible didn't help, but the Stef/Dorsey hybrid offense they unveiled was a complete abomination that seemed to put most if not all offensive players on poor footing.
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I think Stefanski and Dorsey can develop a QB. Ideally, the time and flexibility Andy Reid had to develop Mahomes would be nice. It works as a backup plan to the Watson experience.
Again, I think a QB MUST check certain boxes in order to have a chance in a Stefanski offense.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Browns already have their Daniel Jones in Jameis Winston.
Jameis is a better fit.
Do they draft a QB this year, or wait until 2026 predicted to be a better QB class?
I think we will draft a QB this year but it won't be in the 1st round. There are a lot of good QB's this year, just few with 1st round grades.
I like some of the QBs who can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I also hope we draft a QB every year until we find our guy. By every year, I also mean in the top 3 rounds.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Walking off the field after that pathetic finish, he had the look of a guy on death row taking his final steps.
I didn't see him walk off, but he should have. For a guy on thin ice to begin with, after totally blowing the last seconds of the game at least he was smart enough to know the call to the owners office was on the way. That was as bad as it gets.
What was the simpleton thinking?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Browns already have their Daniel Jones in Jameis Winston.
Jameis is a better fit.
Do they draft a QB this year, or wait until 2026 predicted to be a better QB class?
I think we will draft a QB this year but it won't be in the 1st round. There are a lot of good QB's this year, just few with 1st round grades.
I like some of the QBs who can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I also hope we draft a QB every year until we find our guy. By every year, I also mean in the top 3 rounds.
I foresee someone similar to Jalen Hurts.
There was a reason they drafted DTR. They are looking at those attributes in a quarterback. DTR was more likely a test to see how long it would take to develop and fine-tune their search requirements.
It would not shock me if next year DTR is the bridge QB. DTR is close to being a serviceable starter. I think they want someone more athletic.
Just musing out loud: I think that, barring making a RESPECTED "splash" at QB, we will have trouble attracting and retaining Free Agents this offseason without overpaying, and with Watson's deal, overpaying will be difficult.
I don't think there is any such thing as a #1 pick worthy QB anymore. Colleges don't develop QBs, they're all just super athletic with basic skills/abilities as a QB. If we're reduced to trotting Watson out there for one more year, we'll be fielding scrubs.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
That’s not close to being true. Are you even a Browns fan? Honest question.
Yes it is.
A coach that last season been outclassed by the Texans, has never won a playoff game being on the sideline isn’t even close to be consider an elite HC. Elite is when you multiple times win your division, reach conference finals and Super Bowls.
And then you have Andy Reid, Kyle Shannahan and for example Mike Tomlin.
Stefanski’s record is mediocre and you’re welcome to come back to me when he has won his first division title or reached a conference finals. That’s the standard I’m looking for, not a meaningless Coach of the Year award given to keep the losers happy.
If you think the award is only given to make fans happy you don't have a clue. *hands Floquinho some Charmin Super mega rolls* Here you go. You reached so far up your ass on that one that you need to wipe.
There was a reason they drafted DTR. They are looking at those attributes in a quarterback. DTR was more likely a test to see how long it would take to develop and fine-tune their search requirements.
It would not shock me if next year DTR is the bridge QB. DTR is close to being a serviceable starter. I think they want someone more athletic.
I'm not hating on the kid, but what have you all watched that makes you think DTR is going to receive meaningful snaps anytime soon? IMO, all that we've seen has pointed to DTR needing a lot more time/work behind the scenes before he gets thrown back into the fire.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
If you think the award is only given to make fans happy you don't have a clue. *hands Floquinho some Charmin Super mega rolls* Here you go. You reached so far up your ass on that one that you need to wipe.
The end goal for me is to see the Browns win the division or at least reach a conference finals. To do that we need quality on every position. Stefanski’s record so far isn’t anyway near that level. He was part of the “Watson at all cost” gang that has lead us nowhere. .
Almost 5 seasons GMdawg and today we’re worse than his first season.
Is that progress for you? Is that our future Super Bowl winning HC you’re seeing?
If you think the award is only given to make fans happy you don't have a clue. *hands Floquinho some Charmin Super mega rolls* Here you go. You reached so far up your ass on that one that you need to wipe.
The end goal for me is to see the Browns win the division or at least reach a conference finals. To do that we need quality on every position. Stefanski’s record so far isn’t anyway near that level. He was part of the “Watson at all cost” gang that has lead us nowhere. .
Almost 5 seasons GMdawg and today we’re worse than his first season.
Is that progress for you? Is that our future Super Bowl winning HC you’re seeing?
Do we have Quality at every position? As far as Watson YEP EVERYBODY blew it. It happens and none of us like it but you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Almost 5 seasons GMdawg and today we’re worse than his first season.
Are we???? and if so just how is it Kevins fault???
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Is that our future Super Bowl winning HC you’re seeing?
There was a reason they drafted DTR. They are looking at those attributes in a quarterback. DTR was more likely a test to see how long it would take to develop and fine-tune their search requirements.
It would not shock me if next year DTR is the bridge QB. DTR is close to being a serviceable starter. I think they want someone more athletic.
I'm not hating on the kid, but what have you all watched that makes you think DTR is going to receive meaningful snaps anytime soon? IMO, all that we've seen has pointed to DTR needing a lot more time/work behind the scenes before he gets thrown back into the fire.
I believe DTR needs playing time. When he does start, it seems like he plays against Baltimore or another top-rank defense.
If the Browns are eliminated from the playoffs, I'd like to see DTR get more playing time. Watching him play, he is tense and hurries everything. If the game slows down for him, he can be a valuable quarterback. I won't say a franchise starting quarterback, but a dependable backup, yes.
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