DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2024 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 10 Chargers 27 Post game thoughts...

That really sucked.

Time to sell, sell, sell.

I hope the firings start before they even get to the pressers. The defense played acceptable football. The offense s a trainwreck. It’s Vrabel time.

Harbaugh took over that team and they were expected to suck while they rebuilt. But he is a great coach. Stefanski is … not. And I was as guilty as anyone, but to get ur hopes up behind Winston was silly. He should’ve had three picks last week, too. We have to start from scratch.

j/c

The Fat Lady is in the house and belting out a storm. Turn out the lights; this party is officially over. We are now sellers....

Today's result should not be a surprise given JW's history and our history against the Chargers. Now 9-20 lifetime. Pathetic!!!

that was horrendous

Hopefully this shuts up all the “it’s all Watson” crowd. It’s not and never was. This is just a horrible team. It’s time to blow it up. Sell everyone of value, get rid of the FO and coaches and build it again.

Agreed. Well, we'll have 2 weeks to get ready for the Saints. Then we'll come out and play like we didn't prepare at all!!!!

[quote= to get your hopes up behind Winston was silly. [/quote]

I'm not blaming Winston for the most part, rather that falls on Dorsey for a poor game plan. Credit must go to the Chargers pass defense....there was often nobody open. We got a week off; let's make the needed changes now as this season is lost.

I feel bad for Chubb

Trade ZSmith for whatever you can get, he brings nothing to the D but close calls

- The Browns are a directionless franchise.

- I suspect we'll be seeing DTR soon, possibly out of the bye. Zappe by December?

- The secondary miscommunications are catastrophic and inexcusable.

- Juan Thornhill is another terrible FA signing.

- Garrett lots of sacks.

Quite frankly, this team isn't really worth putting in too much effort discussing. Lots of bad from top to bottom with a few bright spots.

Off season firings ad draft talk will dominate the conversation and air waves the remainder of the season.

Go Cavs!

Let the yard sale begin

What else have we got?

Bills are 7-2. Think they miss Dorsey?

Well, we do have an astonishing amount of upside potential. . . .

How about our defense ranked as the #1 dance troupe in the NFL!

Winston giveth Winston takeith

It sounds like Smith will be traded to Detroit

Conklin listed his house for sale.

Moore has been mentioned as a trade candidate.

Wills could be traded.

I'm sure any of these people minus Chubb are available for trade.

2025 Free Agents/Trade candidates

Jedrick Wills Jr. (T) – UFA
Jameis Winston (QB) – UFA
Nick Harris (C) – UFA
Nick Chubb (RB) – UFA
Elijah Moore (WR) – UFA
Nyheim Hines (RB) – UFA
Jordan Akins (TE) – UFA
Michael Dunn (T) – UFA
Tyler Huntley (QB) – UFA
D’Onta Foreman (RB) – UFA
Germain Ifedi (RT) – UFA
Hakeem Adeniji (G) – UFA
James Proche (WR) – UFA
Wyatt Davis (G) – UFA
Giovanni Ricci (FB) – UFA
James Hudson (RT) – UFA
Quinton Jefferson (DT) – UFA
Maurice Hurst (DT) – UFA
Devin Bush (ILB) – UFA
Rodney McLeod (FS) – UFA
Justin Hardee (CB) – UFA
Tony Brown (CB) – UFA
Chris Williams (DT) – RFA
Tony Fields (OLB) – UFA

I'd trade anyone that could get us decent draft capital. noone should be exempt.. they've had enough time to build a winner here, the least they can do is atleast get something for the next regime to build with

Time for another rebuild. Constant theme since 1999

It was mostly Watson, no doubt about. The QB position is the most important, and he was the bottom of the barrel (Winston ain't much better). But others need to be held accountable. For instance, this team, as well as other NFL teams, are absolutely terrible tacklers.

I do agree it is time to blow it up and sell whatever assets we have. And we cannot have the same idiots making the decisions when it is time to draft players.

Frankly, I cannot believe they (front office) still have their jobs. This front office basically dropped an atomic bomb on the team and its fans.

j/c

The Dorsey 'experiment' is over with predictable results (which failed in Buffalo also). Can Dorsey and replace him with an internal promotion. Keep JW as the #1 QB, at least for now, but giving time to DTR and BZ to see what we've got. Our 'window' to the Super Bowl is almost closed and if we can't turn this around by the end of next season, then let the 'fire sale' begin as our window likely has closed.

On a secondary thought, what gives with Ward and/or Thornhill?

Winston should not play. We need to see more of DTR and the new guy, Zappe.

I view the following players as trade candidates (not saying I would trade all of them, but they'd obviously have interest)

Garrett
JOK
Ward
Delpit
Moore
Tillman
Njoku
Newsome
Z Smith
Tomlinson
Hurst
Hall


Anyone else?

Zappe, sure. DTR is a stiff. He was a 5th rounder for a reason. If he could play we would have seen something by this point. We don't play the guy because the FO has enough people fooled that he can be the guy but don't want to hammer the nail in to their own coffin by playing him.

Berry has to cling to something.

I can't believe we are at this point, but I think the FO and staff are teetering. They had garnered a lot of slack, but that slack is up

It will be interesting to see how long Berry and Stefanski remain in lockstep...if they even are at this point.

I agree. It gets tougher to stay committed to each other when the wheels are off

And the first pick in the 2025 NFL Draft....the Cleveland Browns pick???..???

Sadly they are one of EIGHT teams in the NFL that have only two wins. They may not even pick in the top ten.

Really? With all the blown coverage that led to walk-into-the-end-zone t.d.’s?

The trend for the last few years has been that Thornhill is involved in HUGE plays due to miscommunication. He's cost us so many plays and points

Delpit is a keeper. Thornhill is expendable. We need Safety and LB help bad on Defense.

Ward was involved in those plays. Are we sure it was Thornhill? I'm not.

Was looking forward to the game - that obviously changed quickly.

We look like an inept team that has less of a clue than some of the worst years since the return.

I agree - sell what you can for anything. Move on from Berry and KS. Hope like hell that by some random unknown influence we get lucky and hire the right people. I do agree Vrabel would be a solid choice, if nothing else I think he would change some of the culture but it's probably going to be 2 years + to be competitive again. Longer if we don't jettison KS and Berry.

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Bone, I can understand how you feel because I feel the same way. This could have been a great season if DW was what we thought he could be. I hope you keep posting as I feel you are one of the better ones on the board. They'll be some trades, possibly some coaching and FO changes and of course the draft. This won't be the first time we started discussing the draft in early November LOL!