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I think your wearing out your "welcome back" Vers.... 
Not especially so in my opinon.
But in your attempt to get some of the posters grounded, I do believe you are pissing some of them off. ::shrug::
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If it distances me from the likes of you..............in the words of Parcells: That's not a bad thing. That's a good thing. 
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But in your attempt to get some of the posters grounded, I do believe you are pissing some of them off. ::shrug::
Get posters grounded? How is calling people names and lumping them into certain groups trying to "ground" them? 
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ddubia, I like quite a few posters on here.....and you are one of them. But, I really don't even care right now about "grounding" them. I've read a ton of lies, blasphemy, bias, and ignorance on here in the last week. Can't say that I care if I them off. In fact, that's probably a good thing. People aren't really talking football.......they are talking agendas.
Btw.........why don't you copy and save my comments about Quinn and see how many are used next year should he become the QB. *L*
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I've read a ton of lies, blasphemy, bias, and ignorance on here in the last week.
I've been reading that around here for YEARS. 
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You're a hoot. But at your current rate of rising indignation over absolutely nothing you'll be gone by month's end. You can copy that and look at it next season if you'd like. 
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How soon do they usually make a decision after the interviews? Do they interview through the entire month of February, for example, or will they likely get them in and out so they can decide in the next couple of weeks?
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Btw.........why don't you copy and save my comments about Quinn and see how many are used next year should he become the QB. *L*
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Btw.........why don't you copy and save my comments about Quinn and see how many are used next year should he become the QB. *L*
MY guess is that they would be close to the same comments made about DA this season if he stinks it up. This crowd is tough to please when it comes to QBs....which is understandable because we've just been through too much.
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My point exactly.
You'll never stop the QB deadbates until we have one playing successful for a few seasons in a row. It's hard for Browns fans to even trust one who does play well.
It's just more of the "woe is me" culture that believes it ain't gonna last.
I'm certainly not sold on DA. But then I may be deeper ingrained in the culture than I'd like to admit.
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You only hope so.
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How soon do they usually make a decision after the interviews? Do they interview through the entire month of February, for example, or will they likely get them in and out so they can decide in the next couple of weeks?
Anyone know? I want to know how long I have to sweat this out...
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If this helps, the squealers hired Tomlin from the Vikes on Jan 22, 2007. That would be the day after the Conference Championships last year.. Hmm..
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Thanks...I was hoping it would be sooner rather than later. That way if we lose him, we have better selection to replace him.
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I don't know if that is a definitive answer, the way I understand your question.. I'm just trying to think of Coordinators to HC hires last year and researching when they happened.
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Understood. 
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My point exactly.
You'll never stop the QB deadbates until we have one playing successful for a few seasons in a row. It's hard for Browns fans to even trust one who does play well.
It's just more of the "woe is me" culture that believes it ain't gonna last.
I'm certainly not sold on DA. But then I may be deeper ingrained in the culture than I'd like to admit.
Well in a franchise with names like Otto Graham, Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar, the face of the Browns most people recall from the up years is always a QB. We have a certain expectation of our QBs.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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"but it's leader is Ray Lewis and he's what,,, 300 years old now.. I bet they lose Suggs this year and they lost Thomas last year.." Last I checked, his birthday was 7/23/1707, so he would actually be about 300 going on to 301 this year......
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www.kffl.comBrowns | Team not talking extension with Crennel Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:43:08 -0800 Marla Ridenour, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports the Cleveland Browns are not negotiating a contract extension for head coach Romeo Crennel. Crennel's agent, Joe Linta, said he made one telephone call to the team regarding Crennel's status. Linta said he would like a five-year extension at $5 million per year for Crennel.
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I know I'll take some hits here but, I'm still guffawing at 5 mill a year for Crennel. Savage has had more to do with the Browns success than Romeo has.
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I know I'll take some hits here but, I'm still guffawing at 5 mill a year for Crennel. Savage has had more to do with the Browns success than Romeo has.
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In all honesty, If i could only keep 1 coach out of RAC, chud or grantham. Chud is staying . . .
Just found out that dungy makes $5M a year, Sorry RAC you got to go to the superbowl to get dungy money.
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I know I'll take some hits here but, I'm still guffawing at 5 mill a year for Crennel. Savage has had more to do with the Browns success than Romeo has.
No hits here.
When the reports first came out we were looking to extend the guy, I couldn't figure out why....he still has 2 years left. No way in hell would I want to strap Romeo to my back for a total of 7 years.
I would have lost faith in our teams ability to make sound decisions.
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I don't understand why the Browns have to allow him to interview there.
Can't they just say "no"?
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I don't understand why the Browns have to allow him to interview there.
Can't they just say "no"?
No, they can't.
Teams can't block a coaches ability to move up. You can only block a team from interviewing if it is a lateral move.....say a team wanting a OC to become their OC, or a HC to become their HC.
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Crennel contract talks not ongoing Agent says he would like five-year extension, $5 million annual pay By Marla Ridenour Beacon Journal sportswriter Published on Saturday, Jan 05, 2008 Coach Romeo Crennel's agent Joe Linta said he and the Browns are not in the midst of negotiations over a contract extension, although Linta would like to be. Linta said Thursday he made one telephone call to the Browns concerning Crennel's status. Crennel, 60, signed a five-year contract in February 2005 that has two years remaining. ''It would be akin to an end-of-the-year evaluation meeting, not necessarily talking about football,'' Linta said. ''Nobody said anything about a three-year deal. It was an inquiry from me to see where we stand, 'Let's evaluate this three years into it.'' A report Wednesday that a three-year extension was in the works came on the heels of an Internet report that Crennel would be the first choice of new Miami Dolphins Vice President of Football Operations Bill Parcells. Crennel addressed that possibility twice, saying both times that he always has honored his contract. ''It would have been a great rumor for me to plant,'' Linta said. ''I wish I could take credit for it.'' Linta said his ideal scenario for Crennel would be a five-year extension at $5 million per year. ''If he was worth a five-year deal three years ago, he ought to be worth a five-year deal now,'' Linta said. ''Make him the face of the franchise so when you go into free agency, he's the future, he's rock solid. ''If you would have asked people in the 216 and 330 area codes, 'Would you sign up for 10-6 this year?' they would have done it. There's a huge cohesiveness on the staff, the organization is coming together. He's turned the program around.'' Linta said if he's ultimately rebuffed, there will be no hard feelings. ''If they're not going to do anything, fine,'' Linta said. ''In a perfect world, we'd want (owner) Randy Lerner to say, 'We want Romeo to be the face of the franchise for the foreseeable future, and we're willing to make that commitment.' If they don't, nobody's mad at anybody.'' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marla Ridenour can be reached at mridenour@thebeaconjournal.com. Read her Browns blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/. Akron Beacon Journal
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romeo's not going to miami..he honors his contracts
chud is being interviewed for the ravens...if he thinks he might be the head coach of the browns in 2 years he might stick around....if romeo is here for 5 more he might take it...
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Absolutely true....Our schedule will definitely get tougher in 2008....To maintain our 10-6 record or improve on it , we will have to get better across the board.....  ....
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romeo's not going to miami..he honors his contracts
chud is being interviewed for the ravens...if he thinks he might be the head coach of the browns in 2 years he might stick around....if romeo is here for 5 more he might take it...
Racer...that could be a factor in Chud's decision.
I see Savage waiting on Chud's situation with the Ravens before addressing Crennel's agent.
This story is being driven by Crennel's agent though, not Crennel himself.
A new contract for Crennel could be have been on Savages agenda ...but just not right now.
I will say, a new contract for Chud is in order...we need to keep Chud happy here in Cleveland. If it takes a very nice raise to keep Chud from going over to the other side...do it.
Crennel could get a new contract this year or it could wait until after next season. Again, its Crennel's agent trying to take advantage of the moment...woof...mac
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I agree it wouldn't hurt anything to think about some sort of extension for Chud.......but simply throwing money at him wouldn't prevent him from taking a head coaching job...at least I don't think it would.
If Chud was offered and decided to not take the job, IMO it would be more about chemistry and stuff like that over the amount of money we decided to pay him to keep him here.
I do think Chud wants to be here, and I do think he can see himself as HC for the Browns. I also think Savage does as well....probably part of the reason Savage went out and got him over Mo.
Romeo has 2 years left...I don't think the Browns want to look past that because Chud might be the next head coach...signing Romeo to 5 more years....even 3 more over what remains would be a signal to chud and anyone else they better take the 1st thing to come along.
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No way do I want to extend Romeo five more seasons above the two he has left. I like him and respect him, but $5 million per? No thanks.
As for Chud, I would like to think he's groom-able to take over when Romeo retires (or gets fired), but we don't even know if he's head-coaching material. He may be a great offensive mind, but that doesn't mean he can ever be a good head coach.
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Why are people worried about how much we pay a coach? Yes, I understand the implications for other coaches, etc., but there's no salary cap for coaches. If we feel RAC deserves it and we want to pay him $40 million a year, that's no skin off our backs. I'm just saying...
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Yeah I guess you're right.
I guess I'm more worried about the five-year extension thing (and even that wouldn't matter to fans if we wanted to make a change at some point).
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In a way a new contract for RAC doesn't set in stone that he will be here 5 more years. Hell, many wanted him fired after 2 years here on a 5 year contract. Coaches are fired all the time for not producing. Worst case scenario is he could sign for 5 more years, giving the illusion of consistancy and continuity for the sake of FA's but the team fails to improve or falls off and fails altogether and he's gone in 2 years anyway. I'm sure Chud's aware of that too.
Something makes me think from the way Chud talks in his few press conferences that he is pretty darn busy with his OC job. He has said he really doesn't have the time to think about a lot of other things. If he's smart, and I think he is, he will first build a successful offense here who can win some playoff games before he considers a HC job elsewhere.
He has everything here he needs to be a very successful OC. The sky's the limit. In Baltimore the receiver talent is no where near what it is here. The QB position is always in a flux and the OL is regressing. Besides that, if he took a HC job there he would't really be in charge of the O like he is here. He wouldn't have the time. He'd likely have to hire an OC who may or may not be able to coach the O the way he wants it coached.
If he sticks here for three more years and the Browns do become successful as I feel they will he will, then he will be at the top of everyone's list for a HC job rather than just another consideration.
I'm hoping he interviews for the Rats HC job for the experience of interviewing for a HC job. That, and the fact that he was considered and interviewed as a candidate for a HC job before will make him a more noteworthy candidate in the future when he is ready.
Being a hometown guy and having had a big influence in the turnaround of the Browns this season I would think/hope he would like to finish the job here and take it as far as possible before seriously considering moving on.
All that said, he could be named the Rat's HC tomorrow for all I know. It just doesn't seem likely to me.
If he does leave, look for us to make a move for Cam so our offensive philosophy doesn't change.That would be change and continutiy at the same time.
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He may be a great offensive mind, but that doesn't mean he can ever be a good head coach.
It is funny that more than a few who wanted RAC fired because he's a great defensive mind but not necessarily a good head coach will now hang their hat on the percieved "fact" that Chud would be a good head coach having nothing more to go on than that he is a great offensive mind.
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I do think Chud wants to be here, and I do think he can see himself as HC for the Browns. I also think Savage does as well....probably part of the reason Savage went out and got him over Mo.
Romeo has 2 years left...I don't think the Browns want to look past that because Chud might be the next head coach...signing Romeo to 5 more years....even 3 more over what remains would be a signal to chud and anyone else they better take the 1st thing to come along.
Ballpeen.....we took a lot of flack earlier in the year for beating the drum to drop RAC after the pittsburgh game. In my opinion, I still feel that RAC isnt the long term guy. What we saw this year was strong offensive scheme, executed by a QB who had the physical tools to run the offense, a SOLID offensive line and a top notch compliment of skill players. On RAC's side of the ball we finally started to see some growth near the end of the year. We also saw the obvious lack of starting talent & depth at a few key positions on the defense. The guys like playing for RAC and I dont think that anybody ever doubted that but is that enough?
I said earlier that the next browns HC is already with the browns organization. And I think that guy is Chud. I dont really feel that RAC was selected by Phil as head coach with the thought of winning a championship. He was brought here to build the team, the team mentality and the culture. Chudzinski is the guys who the browns want to tie their star too. Unless Chud just doesnt care about the browns organization...there is no way he leaves. He will probably get the promotion to assistant head coach and a wink and a nod from Phil gauranteeing he is next in line. 
And Vers......question to you to answer please.
Who is more important to this team......Chudzinski or Anderson?
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The guys like playing for RAC and I dont think that anybody ever doubted that but is that enough?
It's something we haven't had since we returned in 1999. The players trust RAC. He is always in control. Therefore they are in control. The team has taken on the personality and character of their head coach. You want that providing the coach has the right personality and character. Looks to be working.
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So Savage went after and signed a Tight End coach with the express purpose of tying their star to him?
Call me crazy, but I believe they signed the Tight End coach believing that with his OC experience in Miami and his additonal experience as a coach in the NFL, along with his personality, character and offensive philosophy he would make a good NFL offensive coordinator.
But that's just me and you know how crazy and out-of-the-box I think sometimes. 
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I still feel that RAC isnt the long term guy.
Neither do I.
I still have the feeling Savage is building this team for someone else and Romeo is the caretaker.
As long as he doesn't screw it up, he can stay the last 2 years.
Then I hope he retires.
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