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I'm pretty certain dawglover05 wouldnt consider himself a Democrat. Like many centrists i believe its Trump, his BS, his convictions and being an adjudicated rapist that is the problem together with some of the individuals like MTG that is his problem.

And yes Trump won. Just like Biden won 4 years ago .... Were you spewing that stuff about the Democrats being in lockstep with the country then? No, you weren't.

I'm glad erection day is over. It's time for y'all to put away your hard ons now.

He's either been President, Running for President or Running from the law. So he did that to himself.. To blame those of us who merely pointed out what "HE SAID/DID" is just off base.

By the way, whatever happened to Stiffarm?

Derrick Henry?

He’s on the Ravens now. Still a monster.

You mean the words that come out of his own mouth? Because that's what they are.

So you have no idea about the things he has been saying? Are the very words he speaks what you call "outrage porn"? Because that's exactly what they are. His own words. They aren't opinions. They're not words someone made up. But I understand you trying to blame others for it. How else could you may make it sound more palatable for you?


So let me see if I get what you're saying here. You haven't been paying attention to what what has been saying. You claim you don't consume what you label "outrage pron" but now you want people to believe you know what MSNBC has been saying?

I don't even bother watching that BS.


Ah, I see. Somehow in your mind you think Hitler "started out" claiming he wanted to exterminate people? That's nowhere close to the truth. He started out calling certain people within Germany the enemy. Anyone who stands up to him is attacked on a personal level and called names. Just like trump has done. He started out dehumanizing and dividing people. Making them somehow sound sub-human. You know "vermin" He started out attacking the press and calling them the enemy just like trump has done. Once you convince your followers that the other side is "stealing your country form you" just as trump has done ever since his 2020 election loss along with these other things I listed, using the exact same words Hitler did? You sound like Hitler.


Sorry but I'm not about to do that. I'm not an idiot who calls the very words that ooze out of trump's own lips "outrage porn". See, we're from two different schools of thought here. I'm from the "If it looks like like s duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it must be a duck" world. While you are from the "Hear no evil" crowd. If playing deaf is your goal you are passing the class with flying colors.

I will admit I did not read past this.

You immediately act like I am supposed to be you. You still have shown zero reputable proof he used Hitler quotes at "every political rally". THis is not hard, either he did and you have reputable proof, or you are lying, either by proxy or directly. Shifting the argument to hide the fact you have no proof does not make you right. You still bear the burden to prove your assertions. It isn't my job to bail you out. The only assertion I have made is you have no reputable proof, and that seems to be a fairly obvious assertion at this point.

What was the quote he used at "every political rally"? Did he also speak it in German? Please, share your actual proof and leave the spun rhetoric in the rubbish bin where it belongs.

Try again. I’m not a Democrat, but your us vs them zero sum game mentality once again put on full display what’s wrong with this country. Well done.

No, he spoke in English. Which makes it so simple to hear that even people such as yourself could hear it if you chose to. But you have chosen not to.

At least you admit you ignore things you don't want to hear by saying....
I think I have identified the problem. You only look at and see what you want to see and ignore everything else.

It was different quotes at different rallies. Not always the same quote. If you don't want to know don't look. That seems to have worked for you well to this point.

If your not a full blown trumpian you must be one of those "Enemy of the people" types. He has trained them well.

No, I'm looking for reputable proof, you have none. Nothing you say has been reputable proof. Give me the actual quote(s) he has said at "every political rally".

Where do you suggest I find that? If you weren't listening to him don't blame me. Yet here you are blaming me. So let me ask you, how many rallies would he have had to have done that for you to comprehend his pattern? How many rallies would he have had to have done that before you admit it was a pattern that never should have happened? How many rallies would it take for you to expect accountability from him the way you're doing to me?

And remember, I wasn't running to be the president of our nation. It's odd how you seem to expect more out of me than you do the next president. It's odd how you claim you don't hang on his every word while you use semantics to undermine the accurate message I provided. Yes, picking and choosing seems to be your mantra. Only you don't pick and choose what's important. You ignore that and focus on the things that aren't important. That''s just sad.

He will be the next president and you give him a free pass on every lie and hateful thing he has said. You give him a free pass for quoting Hitler over and over again at his political rallies. Yet you concentrate more about a poster on a message board.

Your priorities give you away. Yes, I know who you are.

Every speech he gave was dissected by the media who abhors him. Maybe a reputable news outlet reported it. I cannot find it. No one has reported it. Zero. News. Coverage.

You have taken a spun piece of outrage porn and made it your truth. You still possess the burden of proving it it is true, no one is obligated to believe you. You have a history of spin and lies to suit your need to stomp and blargh.

You asked me to provide it from a non bias source. Now you claim it can come from any bias source?


See that's one of the games you like to play. When people provide a source you ignore the facts it contains solely based on the source they used and nothing more.You call it things like.....


Now you have decided to tell me to show you some outrage porn? You are hilarious!

No.

In other words, what he's saying is he has NO source. Just an opinion. Like any other "schmuck", to use his word.

Oh yeah, what he is saying is he is spreading misinformation because "orange man bad". SSDD.

So many people in denial of what even they know happened. Unless of course they only listen to their own news bubble who would never tell them about it and of course these are the only souces they call "reputable".



We can start here. Trump uses the very words of Hitler.

You got that wrong. It should say "Orange man quotes Hitler". It's up to each of us to decide if that's bad. For some of you it appears the answer is that it's not.

I see, so you were, once again, regurgitating a left wing bias that told you what to think.

I said what I meant. I don't need your corrections.

I’m pretty sure you told me you weren’t a Trump supporter. Were you ashamed to admit it or scared? Betas here, betas there… betas everywhere.

You may not need not need mine but you need corrections from someone.

I see you did exactly what I thought you would. Those are direct quotes from both Hitler and trump from their own mouths. And trump's quotes mirror those of Hitler's. No outside opinions. No editorial comments from anyone. Raw truth. But as I expected you wouldn't admit the truth if it smacked you upside your head. And before you go off the deep end in some other crazy direction making false claims, that was figurative.

Someone who is qualified to teach, interpret or practice law needs a law degree. A person who practices medicine or diagnose patients needs a medical degree. Anyone who tries to do those things without the proper education is offering nothing more than an unqualified opinion just like any other schmuck can do.

To hear the words that come out of someone's mouth and to quote them takes no such specialized degree. Did they try to sell you a degree in hearing and quoting where you went to college? If so, was it trump University? Because they tried to con a lot of their students. FYI- If you attended trump University you may be entitled to compensation. The courts awarded a 25 million dollar settlement for that trump rip off. You might want to look into that.

No source? My opinion?



Trump borrows from the language of Hitler for anti-immigration speech in New Hampshire

https://missouriindependent.com/202...nti-immigration-speech-in-new-hampshire/

Every time Donald Trump has invoked Hitler and the Nazis

https://forward.com/fast-forward/615880/donald-trump-hitler-nazi-references/

Forward is a Jewish publication for your information.

You see arch, you make for an easy target. I just sit back and wait for you to come here and take a good healthy dump on the board. Then I gently help push you face first into it.

Considering trump’s indoctrination has handled by his father who was a well known KKK card holder. It’s not even a reach to say that trump is Hitler like. It’s what this country has become. A fourth Reich.

I'm not but I am absolutely thrilled Harris was slaughtered in the election.

Better Trump than her.


You trying to be tough from behind your keyboard again? Yer sooooo butch.

Butch is a term from your community… Beta Butch? Sounds like a trump campaign tee shirt slogan.

I mean, if you wanna identify as a Beta Butch that's fine. I'll try to remember your pronoun, but I can't promise to always get it right.

j/c

I've taken some days to process what we saw last Tuesday, and here's where I am, at present:

Why Dems Got Thumped
by Clemdawg
11/11/24

This is by no means an exhaustive list, but it's the best I can do today. More to come later, perhaps.
The reasons are many and varied.

1. Joe Biden. In his campaign speeches, he promised America that he would be a transitional President. When he decided to run for a second term, he basically reneged on that promise.

2. Joe Biden's team. They didn't hold his feet to the fire on that promise. They held back, in deference to allowing him to run the presidency. They never forced/helped him to look forward, honor his promise to the American Public, and help them to cultivate members of the Dem bench to ascend. That acquiescence allowed Old Uncle Joe to think that he still had the right path forward. Evidence: his campaign's focus on the US bouncing back from post-pandemic better than any other developed nation. On paper, that may have been true, but everyday Americans weren't living their lives on paper. Folks living paycheck-to-paycheck weren't feeling it... so reports of low unemployment/high stock market numbers rang hollow to them. I don't blame them for feeling that way, and I will never blame them for voting as they did.

3. Joe Biden's late exit. See above. His disastrous performance in the presidential debate not only provided America with a stark "can't un-see it" visual, it also placed the Donks on a flat-footed defensive posture, going forward. They did a great job of providing visuals/changing the narrative and momentum at the DNC, but it was already too little, too late. Harris wasn't just an underdog- she was long-shot underdog from Day One.

4. Kamala Harris' anonymity. America didn't/still doesn't really know her, because America is busy living daily life. I've known about her since her days in Cali, but that's because I'm a Black American who is plugged into politics. I knew about her record as a prosecutor, because I read AF-AM centric news sources. She stayed on my radar as Cali's AG. I was aware of the discussions/controversies within the AF-AM community about who she is, and where she falls on racial justice issues. Most folks ain't Clem- and I get that. For the entirety of her campaign, mainstream poll questionees consistently gave the same assessment: "we just don't know her." Swing/Undecided folks who aren't down to vote for any particular team aren't going to vote for a stranger they've only known for ±100 days.

5. Dem politicians don't know how to talk to Regular Folk. They promote policies that could help the people they need in their voting bloc, but they do so in a way that's off-putting to the very folks they're trying to reach. Donald Trump sounds like like the guy who sits near you at the neighborhood bar, even though he (and his big-money bros) owns the entire city block around that lone holdout bar his fans still frequent.

6. Voters aren't demographic blocs. For decades, Dems have assumed that Af-Ams, LatinFolk, etc are slam-dunk votedumps, without actually doing the homework to understand these wholescale 'demographic groups.' Ppl who came here from Nicaragua aren't the same as ppl from Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, etc. Black males who are trying to establish/run small independent businesses won't necessarily vote in lockstep with Brothers who live/experience life like Cornel West.

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Dems have a lot of hard work to do, if they want to turn this trend around with a quickness.
They must first understand what turned off voters/fell on deaf ears.

Next, they must find/develop policies that dump far-left ideology, and promote policies benefit the middle class... and make affirmative steps to get that message across.


Until Dems find their way back to a center like I want, they will spend the next 3-4 electoral cycles winning mid-terms, but losing nationals.


.02,
clem.

I sure could use a love button for that post Clem.

That isn't true. Stop the BS.

https://www.newsweek.com/was-donald-trump-father-kkk-1864382

All good points Clem ....

I'm speculating here - but it seems the Democrats allowed themselves to be painted by Trump and the right wing media spin doctors as 'Radical Lefties' - 'Socialists' - ''commies' - Kamala, Biden and the entire Democratic Party portrayed as radicals who wanted to promote progressive agendas that would be bordering on communism ... or just down right communist. We've seen enough posts on here to know that was true - people listening to whatever right wing echo chamber believed that schtick and bought into it.

That turned a lot of centrist leaning voters off - and maybe there were some Republicans/Centrists who abhorred Trump - The Felon and Adjudicated Rapist. But were swayed to vote for him anyone out of fear or whatever you want to call that.

Meanwhile - the fairly centrist Kamala ran a campaign as a fairly centrist Democrat. Not embracing or appealing to the youth or the Bernie supporters who want to hear a progressive agenda. The campaign *probably?* spent time and effort to respond to the right wing MSM attempts to paint her as a communist - tried to appease what they felt was the swing voters in the middle? Not sure - certainly I don't think they were successful .... but what they completely failed to do was get the young vote mobilized and engaged. The part of the population that overwhelmingly sees the need to be active in global efforts to counter climate control. That want to protect the environment. Etc ... that's millions of voters left out in the cold not inspired to vote in the numbers needed to make a difference.

I think that's a part of it.
I think not being able to relate to every day folk and demonstrate the inflation wasn't a Joe Biden/Democrat thing. The pain they felt in their wallets was spun by the Right wing MSM as Biden's fault and it stuck.
I think your point 6 is particularly on the money.

And I guess if it's my comment about socialism and letting Trump paint one picture to win votes while the Dems failed to then capitalize fully on the progressive vote - whether it's the economy and inflation - whether it's the demographics .... the Democrats are light years behind Trump in particular and the Republicans in general, in being able to find an enemy or person/party to blame while also (without any actual plan in Trump's case) telling folks if only they vote for him, he's got all the answers. I mean we still hear people talking about the fallacy that the Republicans are for small government (not true factually) - or law and order (not true) - fiscally responsible (Not true). I mean look at how Trump rode Obama's coat tails on the economy and black employment. Some ignorant Republicans STILL think Trump carried the load on creating the low unemployment numbers which is a complete joke.

Oh well - let's see what the next 4 years brings, can only really hope for the best and hope that in the next election we have better choices.

I don't disagree with you in general, and I think this was a well done post.

On point 2 I would add the reps kept saying Biden was shot, and the dems kept denying. Moving on from Biden early could have validated the idea he was shot, which gives ammo to the other side. You can't look weak nor can you look like you messed up. Once it became too glaringingly obvious he was indeed shot, it was too late to move on and control the message.

Seriously... nobody has a response for this? You all disappoint me.

I blame Trump

You almost never do.

Only in your delusions.

You've identified yet another obstacle you face. That's two in two days! Now just get to work on that.

Excellent post, Clem.

I don’t know who they turn to. Sadly, I think Tim Ryan would have been a good choice on a national level but he lost the Senate race.

Buttigieg would be good too, but he won’t survive on a national level because of one obvious shallow reason. Otherwise, he’s a midwesterner in tune with the working class, who even was able to shut Musk up. He also seems to have a pulse on getting through to people.

They have to ditch the coastal “champagne socialists” (for those unfamiliar, it does not mean socialist like MAGA keeps inferring).

Like I’ve said before, I think it would take Republicans screwing up the country for them to get their foot back in the door, in addition to the Democrats finding a blue collar, likely midwestern candidate. I certainly don’t want the country to go down the tubes.