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That is a great read. I've been hard on Crennel because of his questionable game time decisions, but this is the type of thing that is important to hear. I hope he continues to grow as a coach, and leads us to the playoffs for years to come.
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Clem, I've always respected you,, but Damn man,, you got me now..
This is perhaps the perfect explaination of those things that were wrong with the Re-born Browns and how they were turned around..
You are so right about the microscope.. under one, nobody looks good.. I get very tired reading those things about RAC being too loyal.. as if loyalty is a suddenly the entire reason for everything wrong in the world.
There are so many other things discussed that would indicate RAC shouldn't be the coach.. Yet, in the over all scheme of things,, they really don't matter all that much.
Too much exaggeration. We (me included I think) get hold of something and won't let go,,, until at some point, it gets exaggerated and no longer makes sense or a bit of difference to the "BIG PICTURE"! (I enjoyed that reference so much I had to steal it!)
Thank you Clem,, for being a voice of reason.. Thank you!
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Wow,, what the heck did I miss.. I don't remember hearing anything remotely like that.. Geez,,, when did that happen?
Dang Damon', do you only read your own posts and that one of mine? 
It happened when Savage, in a press conference, said he's leaning toward tendering DA with a 1st and 3rd compensation. That is instead of coming right out saying he's going to try and get a long-term deal done before the next season starts.
That opened the door for teams to have the opportunity to sign him to an offer sheet which the Browns can match or not. That tender is only for one year. If he really felt DA was his future he wouldn't have limited himself to the one year deal. It's not exactly a vote of confidence in DA. Imagine what you are thinking about that if you are DA.
Savage may try to sign him long-term. He may only be posturing right now to see what other teams may offer before he makes his deal. But that could backfire if some team tries to sign DA to an incredibly rich offer sheet due to his numbers and winning play. But that may be exactly what Savage wants so he can work out a draft pick compensation deal.
Savage right now could offer him a large, but fair, contract that DA may sign without entertaining other offers. But Savage ain't talking like that. At least right now.
But when you, (or the QB), hear that he's leaning toward a one year deal then you have to assume they are willing to entertain offers. Because after that year DA is unrestricted and can sign anywhere with no limitations and with no compensation to the Browns. If they definately don't want to lose him they get 'r done before then.
The one year 1st and 3rd tender insinuates Savage leans toward getting what he can get for him now. After that he can get nothing.
Then, listen to RAC's first full press conference after the season. He also talks about bing willing to listen to offers. You had to have read the quotes when he says, "They may make an offer that makes you go Ooooo" No offer can make you go "Ooooo" if you're determined that he's your future.
I'm amazed, surprised and a bit confused that you hadn't heard any of this before now.
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With Cleveland Browns' coach Romeo Crennel, there's a lot to love Monday, December 31, 2007 Terry Pluto, Plain Dealer Columnist Supposedly, Bill Parcells wants Romeo Crennel as his coach in Miami. Rather than going to Miami or anywhere else, Crennel could be in position for a contract extension. While he won't be Coach of the Year (Bill Belichick is expected to win it), Crennel has earned respect by turning the Browns into one of the NFL's surprise teams. General Manager Phil Savage loves Crennel for several reasons, one of the biggest being Crennel is interested in coaching, period. He doesn't want to be a GM. He doesn't want to draft players or make trades. He obviously wants input, but he's not a guy who wants publicity or is interested in a power grab. It is true that Parcells and Crennel have a long relationship, and he knows the Browns coach has patience - and now the track record - to show he can help build a team. Crennel has two more years on his original five-year contract. If Parcells wants Crennel, he'd have to ask the Browns for permission to talk. If he did manage to convince Crennel to take the job, then he'd have to cut a deal with the Browns to let Crennel out of his contract. In the end, it's doubtful that will happen because it would require lots of draft choices - something Parcells (as executive vice president of football operations) needs to revive the Dolphins. Also, why would the 60-year-old Crennel want to go through all the pains of rebuilding again? When Savage wanted to revamp the offensive coaching staff, it was not something that thrilled Crennel - but the coach and GM worked together to change 11 coaches. It was clear that Savage was very high on offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, and some of the assistants were recommended by Chudzinski. Rather than turn this into a test of wills or a power struggle, Crennel and Savage did what was best for the team and it worked as the Browns had one of the best offenses in the league. Not only do Savage and Crennel deserve credit for that, but so does Chudzinski. For next season, the Browns will develop an offense especially suited for the cold, windy weather. They have plays for those conditions, but they need to avoid of repeat of last week in Cincinnati, when they gave up on the run too soon in what became a 19-14 loss. Yes, I wanted quarterback Derek Anderson to start. But I don't understand why Brady Quinn was on the bench in the second half. Given the fact that Anderson hurt his right pinkie finger - allowing Quinn to play part of the second quarter - it just made sense to let him get some experience at least in the fourth quarter, especially since Anderson (who wanted to play) did admit his finger hurt in the second half. I love how Josh Cribbs always credits his blockers. I love how he plays the game. I love how he said, "I love getting hit. . . . I love hitting people. . . . I love playing in the dirt." I love how he is relentless covering kickoffs and punts, and he is, by far, the best overall (punts and kicks) return man that I've ever seen in a Browns uniform. Yes, the Browns will work hard to bring back Jamal Lewis, their only significant unrestricted free agent. And yes, Lewis wants to come back and the Browns are willing to give him a multiyear deal. The key will be the signing bonus and how that impacts the salary cap - because in most deals, only the bonus and first year of the contract are guaranteed. With 1,304 yards rushing, Lewis had his best season in four years. While it seems he's been around forever, he's only 28. To reach Terry Pluto: terrypluto2003@yahoo.com; cleveland.com/columns Cleveland Plain Dealer
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Again I wonder how so many of you believe this will continue? RAC has been here 3 years and has one winning season and one hell of a tough schedule coming next year.
While I won't go so far as to say you are stupid, I think the premise of that comment lacks perspective.
I'll try and explain. RAC and Savage came here to a team void of REAL TALENT (as it relates to thier thinking, doesn't matter what we thought). It literally had to be torn down and rebuilt.
I bet we don't agree on the that... but it's pretty well documented.
A rebuilding process of that magnatude isn't done overnight. Can't be done. At least not with the expectation of continued success beyond 1 season. (see the job that Butch Davis did, then had to rip the team apart)
There is a certain process to things,, steps that need to be taken. And, as it turns out, not just ONE way to get the same result.
Savage and RAC took a path, and here we are, 3 seasons later, and the team is looking better than it has since 1994.
You say you wonder how so many of us can believe this will continue and I say to you, how can you believe it won't,
You see, you are saying that he's been here 3 years with only 1 winning season as part of your reasoning, yet you fail to take into consideration the strides made and the effort it took to go from a team void of talent to one that just about made the playoffs and had 10 wins.
I don't know what you expected. Perhaps you thought that RAC should have taken over a team that was void of talent and won instantly.
That's unrealistic,, Completely!
You go on to say that our schedule next season is going to be tougher.. well, it sure looks that way. But you apparently give no credence to the opportunity that RAC and Savage have of making the team better for next seasons campaign.
Savage has proven in most everyones mind that he is more than capable of getting the talent in the door. RAC has certainly proven he knows how to build men out of boys. I think he's proven that he can get thier respect and keep it.
Why you would take one stand, like we have a tougher schedule and forget that we have the opportunity to improve and have thus far demonstrated the ability to do so, is beyond me.
Again, it must be that your expectations are completly out of touch with reality. Not sure, but it appears they are.
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Personally I hope he does well but I can't stop thinking Bill Cower is sitting back and waiting for this job. And if it was my decision it would not be hard, Cower in a land slide.
I cant' help thinking that you are not being honest with yourself when you say you hope RAC does well. Maybe you are,, but it really doesn't appear that way to me.
I'm also betting that Bill COWHER (with an H) isn't at all worried about what RAC and the Browns do.
Recently, Cowher has been linked to The Ravens and a possibility to Carolina. (if fox goes)At one time he was linked to the Browns but all that linkage has stopped.
The reason being that RAC isn't on as hot a seat as it was once thought he was. (I'm even beginning to question if in the minds of Randy Lerner and Savage he was ever on a hot seat at all. Was it just the media and fans that thought that?)
Beleive what you want.. But your stance on this subject isn't on solid ground. Not even close IMO.
You should read Clems post on this very thread. I doubt it would make you think differently, but maybe..
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Dang Damon', do you only read your own posts and that one of mine?
WOW, that must be true,,, the part about only reading this one of yours that is
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I'm amazed, surprised and a bit confused that you hadn't heard any of this before now.
Don't be, it seems that for about a month or so, I've been having some trouble viewing the interviews on the main site,, they keep stopping and starting and I can't seem to find out why, He's happening on all three of my computers... wierd,, so what happens is, instead of listening to them,, I get tired of the interuptions and basically I miss some juicy details,, perhaps such as this,,
I also don't read every story that comes out about the Browns either.,., and clearly my imagination isn't wild enough to take a comment like this:
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No offer can make you go "Ooooo" if you're determined that he's your future.
Not sure his comment should indicate that they are "shopping him" or even "willing" to talk.
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That could be as big a possiblity as any.. so I think it's a reach to come to any conclusion at this point.. I don't think we can based on what I've read (certianly not everything) and seen in interviews (for reasons I've stated)
Myself, I'm leaning towards the feeling they will High Tender him and then see who offers him what.
What I'd like to see is for him to be signed long term.. this team, like every other team needs two QB's. At this moment, we have them and I'm reluctant to give that up.
But that's just me.. Probably one of the many reasons I'm not an NFL HC or GM 
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Before you consider that I'm reaching based on one snippit of one sentence that I've offered you, please try to and listen to the presser or read what the local sports journalists have to say about what RAC said.
Also, his remarks have been posted all over this board so they are easily available to read.
Remember, his quotes, including the one I offered you, were in direct response to specific questions regarding DA's future and the possibly he could be let go for draft picks.
Basically, with absolutely no "reaching" at all, it is common sense to take away from their comments that they are leaving ALL options open to discussion.
I don't want to make this a QB or DA thread anymore than I have contributed to already.
btw...
If you are using RealPlayer to view the videos perhaps you could option to view them in WindowsMediaPlayer instead. I had the same problem as you and that's what I did and it works great now. RealPlayer has always been a problem for me.
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WOW, that must be true,,, the part about only reading this one of yours that is
Hey, wait a minute, I just got that.
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Before you consider that I'm reaching based on one snippit of one sentence that I've offered you, please try to and listen to the presser or read what the local sports journalists have to say about what RAC said.
Yeah, you are right, I should have listened to them before commenting,, my apology,,
I'll look into real player thing later,, maybe that's the problem.. Thanks
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Hey, wait a minute, I just got that.
I was beginning to wonder 
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OMG WTF!?!?!? I log off for a few hours and come back and everyone is fighting with each other on almost every thread. This is ridiculous. Hey, I guess it's the off-season again, cuz' I distinctly remember this happening all last year. Only the difference is we were coming off a 4-12 season and now we're coming off a 10-6 season. But nothing's changed!!! We have the same attitudes and perspectives and the same bickering arguments. The names on the back of the jerseys have changed but it's all the same crap over and over again. Instead of Frye and DA, it's DA and Quinn now. Ugh!!! Look dammit, we had a great season. RAC is a good coach. DA is a good QB. Chud is a hell of an OC and thank god he's here. Whether any of them stay remains to be seen. Why can't we just accept the fact that we have no control over any of it and just sort of relish in the moment for a while. It may be a better off-season, but it's still gonna be a long one at this rate. It's the beginning of January and there are lot of questions to be answered. It won't happen overnight but we all want it now and we're at each other's throats in the meantime. It is so much more peacrful during the season because we have the Gameday threads to talk about and dissect every morsel. But this is ridiculous. Drama central..... Ahhhhh, Whatever... I might as well just embrace it I guess. In the immortal words of a certain loud-mouth WR, "Get yer popcorn ready!" It's gonna be a hoot! 
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Where's the dude singing "Real Men of Genius"?
Announcer: You hate your coach
Singer: He's just a big fat loser.
Announcer: You're not satisfied with a winning record.
Singer: 10 wins are not enough.
Announcer: You bet against your team making the playoffs
Singer: I'm so glad I won the bet.
Announcer: But you still want your opinion respected.
Singer: Why's everybody picking on me?
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Just to add my 2 cents...
This past season shows that forecasting strength of schedule is impossible. Weren't we supposed to be facing a killer schedule this season (and thereby go 4-12)? Turns out that it was pretty weak. So, to expect that the Browns will have a losing season next year - solely on the SOS - is invalid. To say that the Browns will have a losing season because of talent and coaching would be appropriate for the argument (but is it correct?)
It's also inappropriate to evaluate RAC on next season before it has been played. Can we look at his actual performance and just evaluate that? He is coming off a 10-6 season, with a team that is respected throughout the league. We can pick apart some of the on-field decisions, but results are results.
(To Vette - To be completely accurate, the decision to kick the 49-yarder in the snow was right. It might not have been a good decision, but since it achieved the desired result, it was still right. Sorry to nit-pick - your message is still fair: we can question the coach, but RAC deserves - and has earned - some compassion from the fans. He is one of the good guys in the game).
Thanks for posting the article. I must say that I don't like the tone of the writer. The message is nice, but it is a little too tongue-in-cheek for me to believe that he has any more respect for RAC than before.
Go Browns. Keep up the progress...
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...There are occasions when he is inaccurate. I think this is due to poor footwork when he gets some pressure up the middle. I broke it down on another thread...I think it is the Lewis and DA thread. Read it and see what you think. DA makes some accurate throws that very few QBs can make. There are times when he struggles w/accuracy, but I don't believe he is an inaccurate passer. I think there are a few mechanical things he needs to work on, and it starts w/his feet.
Yes, I just went back and found that post. It could be poor footwork, dude has big, clunky feet. But how much can he improve? Remember, I'm a guy who has supported him for the most part, so I'm not looking for things to prove he's crappy.
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Touch? ... I turn on the NFL network and they are showing a clip w/DA in it. They showed about 6 passes and 5 of those passes were thrown w/great touch.....
Yeah but I could probably show you 20-30 passes he threw - easy ones, swing passes or little outs - where it makes you think "where TF was he throwing?"
Either way, as I said a hundred times... DA has done some good things, you just don't throw QBs like him away.
Oh you made another point in a thread somewhere that people didn't even address.... talking about how opposing D's took away his long passes, and that it's actually a good thing... I agree, when you force the D into doing that, it shows you're making them accountable. When in the hell did we have a QB who could do that?
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OMG WTF!?!?!? I log off for a few hours and come back and everyone is fighting with each other on almost every thread.
Hey Hey,, I'm not fighting with anybody,, don't come picking on me man 
There are a few differences of opinion going on however... that's about it
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j/c I think that final speech and presentation by McGinest was my most enjoyable and memorable moment in the season. You can see Romeo pause because he got choked up. For all those still saying that Romeo is not the man for the job, you watch that video and try to still tell me that. The players love playing for him and they respond to him. Here's to a contract extension. 
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I agree about DA Vers. Can that stuff be fixed? Because he obviously has the ability to make all the throws accurately and with touch. It's just a consistency thing, I'd like to think he can be coached up on his footwork...but I'm no football genius. To Corpus: If you want a pat on the back for predicting we wouldnt make the playoffs, then perhaps you should find another team. We dont need no stinking negative vibes man. I love this team through and through, and it hurts me as a fan to see someone wanting congratulations for a negative prediction. Come to think of it, have you ever discussed anything about our team other than QB's and RAC? Even with my lack of football knowledge I know the biggest problems on this team are. They are NOT DA and RAC...if anything they can be/are part of the solution, and they have both made huge contributions to the turnaround this season. In closing, look at the positives, and point out things we can do to improve (studs on the DL Phil  ), but dont rip apart 2 of the biggest contributors to the most exciting Browns season in my lifetime.
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I'm sorry Vers. You say DA is extremely accurate and that is just not what I see on the field. Going to the games and watching them on TV.
I went to the two best games he played in (probably) Cinci(after a horrible loss I thought we would get pounded) and Baltimore.
He made great plays, he also made bonehead plays. It's not all about his accuracy, which isn't great, but it's not nearly as terrible as it was last year (showing improvement). It is about the terrible decision making mixed with the accuracy flare ups.
If we can get something for DA especially first round or two seconds like Schaub or something I have to admitt I would be all for it. If we can't, hey I never said I thought the guy was terrible, because he is good at times. He has made some of the best throws I have ever seen, like the seam route to Winslow in the St. Louis Game, it was almost unreal. He has also made some of the worast throws and decisions I have ever seen.
It's not like these are issues that he has been unaware of. He was the same in college as he was this year. Throws downfield for big plays, and throws tons on intrceptions.Again, I am not a DA hate, but I call em as I see em. He did a GREAT job for us this season, but if we can get a top ranked college player for a guy we waivered, I say we do it.
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Right under the video screen in the Browns Sights and Sounds is a clickable link called "Change Pref'erences". It is there that you can set up to view the videos using either Real Player, (which I believe is the default), or Windows Media Player.
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But nothing's changed!!!
Everyone still wants to win. More.
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For all those still saying that Romeo is not the man for the job, you watch that video and try to still tell me that. The players love playing for him and they respond to him. Here's to a contract extension.
And Willie said they all got together, players and staff , and everybody wanted to give him that game ball.
I agree, when I saw the big guy choke up it got to me too. Then he says, "I told you...in training camp...when you do good, I do good." Then he held out the ball and says, "And I'm doing pretty good fellas."
He takes the compliment and turns it right back on them.
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I just wanted to make it four in a row.
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Blocked your 5th. Yeah, I really enjoyed that clip and speech. I loved the decision to bring RAC in, and have stuck with that through each season. Hopefully there won't be anymore question of his character and his ability to lead. Leading a team doesn't mean screaming and yelling. Not only does Romeo seem to be a great coach, you can tell he's a great man as well.
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I think part of the reason so many dislike Romeo (not talking about anyone specific on this board) is his attitude in public. He is so easy going people mistake that for something it is not. I would say the opposite is true with Gratham. I have never been in the pro Romeo or fire Romeo camps. I think he has made some terrible mistakes, but he has also done some great things.
After opening day I think it could have been very easy to lose this team, especially with how Jr. was reacting. Not only did he not lose this team he was able to strengthen their resolve.
I love to see this team play well and win. I also love the fact that we have a person like Romeo leading them.
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I think part of the reason so many dislike Romeo (not talking about anyone specific on this board) is his attitude in public. He is so easy going people mistake that for something it is not.
And most people love Tressle for the same reason...Go figure...not talking about records here either...But that may be a big part of why
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He is so easy going people mistake that for something it is not.
So true, and I'm afraid I've never quite understood that.
It's almost like as if a coach wears his emotions on his sleeve, some think he's better.. some think that means he cares and is more engaged..
Yelling, jumping around on the sideline, calling players out in the media... as if those are all signs of a good coach.. amaziing isn't it.
Those are the exact things that as an employee (player in this instance) I would completely disrespect in a coach (boss).
Odd isn't it?
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I thought they would win 5 or 6 games. Many NFL people were saying they would win 3 or 4 games and that Dallas might end up w/the # 1 pick. The Vegas line was 5.5.
I'd say that RAC got this team to overachieve somewhat. He got them playing together and believing in themselves. He made them accountable for their actions and they responded by having a very good year.
RAC did a very good job.
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RAC did a very good job.
Yes, he did.
But I think he's been doing a very good job all along... something that hasn't been relfected in the W/L columns until now.
As I see it, he's been doing all the things that a good coach should be doing... and with an increase of talent and raw materials, we fans got an increase in quality product. Funny how that works, ain't it?
It was bound to take time... but some fans have a shorter clock than others. That short clock leads to making premature judgements and looking for quick solutions.
Long-lasting problems are seldom remedied by "quick fixes," as us Old Dawgs have learned.
I'm just glad that Randy didn't start knee-jerking when all the fans and media were itchin & twitchin'. It made all the difference for us in this year's results. It also made me feel more confident about this team's direction... even when Dawgs were calling me stupid for being so calm.
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Yes, he did.
But I think he's been doing a very good job all along... something that hasn't been relfected in the W/L columns until now.
So true,, so very very true... Why is it there only seem to be a handful of us that understand that? kinda confuses me a little.
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Why is it there only seem to be a handful of us that understand that? kinda confuses me a little.
Only a handful? Puhleeeze.
Why do you ALWAYS leave out the things that most RAC-detractors talk about?
He seems to be a great man...always has. The players respect him...always have. His demeanor is what it is...people will like it or they won't. None of that makes or breaks him as a HC in the NFL.
However...
He has made poor decisions with a coach and a QB. His game and game time management has been putrid at times - called or uncalled timeouts, challenges, prevent D to name my big 3. The coin-flip will go down in history along with Botch's 'gut feeling'...that's HIS fault...not mine. His penchant for old/vets like Big Ted and Baxter may have cost us more than we'll ever know...maybe not.
I have always been skeptical of RAC as a HC in the NFL. I have given him many props on here as of late and I am beginning to come around - primarliy thanks to one of ddubia's posts a couple months ago.
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Comments that 'only a handful of people see it' and 'knee jerk reactions' make me vomit. Many people see it and it's NOT a knee jerk thing...it's a pattern seen again and again. "We" also see where a first-time NFL HC in his late 50's makes some of the most bone-headed gameday decisions that I've seen in 30+ years of watching the NFL.
That does NOT mean I do not like the guy...that the players don't respect him...that he hasn't turned this mess around...he HAS, no doubt.
However, he has a long way to go to get me convinced that he's the guy to lead us to perrenial playoffs and a Super Bowl win.
You would be just as frustrated (as I am now) if I repeatedly posted on here about how the RAC-supporters don't see the blown timeouts, blown challenges, and blown decisions that cost us opportunities to win games...and make comments like "they just don't see it".
I want RAC back next year...but I'm not working some sort of crush on the guy to the point where I think he's the guy...I just don't know yet. I hope he is...as do, I'm surmising, the majority of the RAC-detractors who take the time to post about him.
I think the majority of posters on this board "see it". Those who do not "see it" - or seem to dislike the guy for some unspecified reason - seem to be in the minority.
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RAC goes with whoever is telling him to challenge it in his earpiece. They review the plays upstairs, so that's what he's going by. Don't know who it is, but that's the story there.
There were a couple instances where I can say his clock management was poor, particularly the Steeleers game this year. That is something a head coach will learn from, and I think it got better down the stretch. I do feel the man knows what he's doing. We don't know what goes on in the locker room, at practice, in the film room, etc.
I see your points and agree with some, but they don't make up for the fact that RAC has this team. He has these players, and they follow him. This is the first time that we've really had a team, not individuals. Like Pocket Hercules said after the Jags game last night, we're not 5 fingers on a hand, we're a fist.
I credit RAC with making that happen.
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"We" also see where a first-time NFL HC in his late 50's makes some of the most bone-headed gameday decisions that I've seen in 30+ years of watching the NFL.
I that really true?
I've seen plenty of HC's make clock management blunders. For some reason the first one that comes to mind is Holmgren's mismanagement in the superbowl vs. the Steelers. Horrid.
Same goes for time-outs as Gibbs tried to call back-to-back timeouts in a game this season which got him a 15 yard penalty, took them out of field goal range in the final seconds and single-handedly lost the game for the Skins. You'd think a HC of his age and experience would not have made that mistake.
It happens to the best of them.
I think we all see all of it like you say. The difference may in the importance that different people put on it when weighing the positives vs. the negatives. In my opinion RAC's positives way out weight the negatives.
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I think we all see all of it like you say. The difference may in the importance that different people put on it when weighing the positives vs. the negatives. In my opinion RAC's positives way out weight the negatives.
Very well put...and I am coming around to your opinion on RAC. I'm just not completely there yet. He needs to win me over next year.
I just get very frustrated when people of a certain opinion (mine in this case) get lumped into a category of not seeing the big picture or knee jerk reactions. That's completely untrue.
I too give credit to RAC for the turnaround...I hope that at this time next year I'm giving him credit for the budding dynasty.
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I just get very frustrated when people of a certain opinion (mine in this case) get lumped into a category of not seeing the big picture or knee jerk reactions. That's completely untrue.
That's understandable. Unfortunately it happens a lot around here.
Say something negative about one guy or a positive about another and you get pigeon-holed into a catagory and argued with as though you are a one-sided thinker or carrying an agenda or are not looking at the big picture.
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That's funny you should bring up Holmgren and Gibbs, two of the most highly thought of coaches in the league today,, in fact, two guys that will be well thought of years after they retire..
And they've made bone headed mistakes, yet for some, RAC has to be immune from error... how dumb is that.
What's worse, someone, I can't remember who, was saying something about a decision RAC made to go for a FG instead of putting the nail in the coffin in a game this year,,,, it was that posters opinion that RAC was stupid for making that decision, Geez,, as if the poster was right?
It's wierd what some people think is important, yet you hear that Parcells was interested in talking to him about being Miami's HC...
Parcells is another guy that is highly respected... and he likes RAC... Belicheck is highly respected as a coach and he says RAC is very very smart.. (he was quoted as saying that a short time ago)
Yet, we get posters, who profess to know football,, telling us that because he made a few questionable decisions and mis-managed the clock a few times,,, he isn't all that good.. Or how about the posters that think because he's been here for 3 years and his record isn't good,,, he isn't a good coach either.... geez
Who you gonna believe? I don't think much of Belichick, but I recognize he's a helluva coach and pretty smart also,,, Parcells is pretty smart as well,, Savage has my attention and he's RAC's boss,, and RAC is still the HC of the Browns and they are talking extention....
I'll take the word of those that are IN the NFL, in positions of responibility before the word of a poster that clearly has an agenda..... anyday
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I also love the fact that we have a person like Romeo leading them.
That's a big statement considering you thought he lied either to Hamilton or about Hamilton to the media. Can't remember which...but I know you were close to that situation.
So have your feelings changed on that?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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For all those still saying that Romeo is not the man for the job, you watch that video and try to still tell me that. The players love playing for him and they respond to him. Here's to a contract extension.
And Willie said they all got together, players and staff , and everybody wanted to give him that game ball.
I agree, when I saw the big guy choke up it got to me too. Then he says, "I told you...in training camp...when you do good, I do good." Then he held out the ball and says, "And I'm doing pretty good fellas."
He takes the compliment and turns it right back on them.
Pure class.
I loved that...how he turned it back around on them. Look at the smiles on all of the players faces.
I've watched that thing like five times.
I'm most certainly in the 'postives outweigh the negatives' camp with RAC. I'd love to see him improve on some things, but I also want him to be the coach of the Browns.
Hey, nobody's perfect...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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