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Signing DW has been the defining moment of Browns ineptitude…

Worse than trading Paul Warfield.

I don't know how you Dawgs can put such product into your bodies.
Not even n support of the Browns.


Just can't do it.

It hurt when it happened.

I have no empirical evidence to support my supposition, but I'd lay my life's last bet on the premise that the Deshaun Watson deal was mandated by the team's owner.


No reputable NFL FO would have swung such a trade, if they were not under the thumb of an overbearing, "know-it-all" Dunning-Kruger- type owner.


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One of my best friends has been a lifelong DAL fan. He's repeatedly told me: "Your owner will continue to do do the Browns what Jerry Jones has done to my team. I'd leave The Boys for the Browns, if I thought I'd get different results..."

1.4 million Hawaiians say you're wrong.

Damn bruh, please don't read the labels on any hot dogs or bologna!

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/_mo...f-the-year-award-presented-by-nationwide

Good for Denzel.

Mmmmm ……spam on toast.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...-evidence-to-further-discipline-him.html


No discipline for Watson.

I'm so tired of hearing about Watson lol - it's been 3 years of hell for our franchise with him

I like Spam. Not my favorite by any means, but a winter staple I keep out in the garage pantry in case of snow in's or power outages. It's ok fried up on bread, but I like to mix it in with something. Spam with mac and cheese cooked up on my propane jet stove is easy to do and works just fine in a pinch.

I like to keep plenty I can eat right out of the can without having to cook it if power is out and fuel in out. Spam is one of those items.

That's the thing about all of this. When there was an actual hearing to see all of the evidence it was much easier for the NFL to punish watson for his deeds. But when you pay women off and have them sign a NDA much of the evidence never comes to light. That leaves nothing shown to punish him for. Having watson pay all of those women off to keep them quiet and the evidence hidden was great advice on the part of his attorney.

Watson did get punished. Unless there were some evidence that pointed toward actual rape, I don't think the punishment would have been any more severe.

That said, I do agree that NDAs play a dark role in "the system".

He was punished based on I believe two cases the NFL heard. He paid off more than 20 cases that never saw the light of day........

Deshaun Watson settles 20 of 24 sexual misconduct lawsuits

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/21/deshaun-watson-settles-20-of-24-sexual-misconduct-lawsuits.html

That was in June of 2022. He has settled the others since then.

I get that. The NFL was aware of the allegations in all the cases that were settled. I'm just saying that only if those allegations moved into a territory that inferred rape, would his NFL punishment have been more severe. That's obviously just my opinion though.

I really don't know how the NFL would have reacted to these other cases had all of the evidence had been brought to light in a courtroom. I don't actually know all of the evidence they had against watson in those other cases either. None of us will ever know now. I know he was advised it was in his best interest not to have it all play out in court. So it's only my opinion as well.

Sounds like they are close to extending Teller.

I hope they're not looking to spend too much. He's been slowly trending down since his first season here.

Yeah, I would be careful to extend him too much/spend too much. He's definitely slowed down ... but I also realize we don't have any depth either

j/c…

What an absolute waste of time.

Hit the road, Hopkins.

I have absolutely no problem with kicking the tires on a guy like this (clear talent, but missing something that caused him to flame out elsewhere). Especially during a season like this one. He couldn't have been waived soon enough after this game, but I stop short calling it a waste of time.

Maybe it should've been more of a red flag that it took him so long to get activated off the practice squad.

CLEVELAND (AP) — The Cleveland Browns placed cornerback Greg Newsome II on injured reserve Tuesday and waived wide receiver Kadarius Toney, who made two critical mistakes in Sunday's loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Newsome will miss the remainder of this season after injuring his hamstring in the 27-14 loss.

https://www.smdailyjournal.com/spor...f25ea2a-7f16-5d9d-a7f1-422306230a1f.html

Too bad about KT. After his performance on Sunday, he definitely showed he belonged on this team. Well, we'll just have to find someone else to commit stupid penalties and fumble. I'm sure he's already on the roster!!!!

I agree - the expectations were high but the realization that we will be mired in SUCK for years to come sucks just as bad

The signing and the predictable outcome is, and was, emblematic of the franchise. It was most certainly a waste of time.

It was akin to "kicking the tires" on other losers like Dwayne Bowe and Kenny Britt.

If Berry wasn't turning over every rock, I'd be pissed.

Nothing gained, not a whole lot lost.

I agree.

We took a shot on a talented but troubled player. Noting gained, but nothing lost. I don't get this idea that this is emblematic to anything.

I think signing KT is the epitome of Berry's condition. He/they think they are smarter than everyone else. KT is a certified bonehead...not an underachieving, former 1st Rd guy now flyer.

He loves him some under-the-radar guys in the draft - and in places in the draft - that have zero business being drafted where they are...because he's so much damn smarter than everyone else. Chad Thomas, Schwartz, Ika, Togiai, Bell, Elliot, Wills, Winfrey, York.

He's given out extensions like candy in a child's parade...he's spent more $$$ than any GM in the league for years and he's now in a 3 win season with an old roster.

He punted a top half QB for a bottom 3 QB and 1/4 billion along with (3) 1st RD picks +...he didn't sign Flacco so as to not hurt DeShone's feelings.

Other than spending Jimmy's $$$, exactly what is it about Berry and his work that is noteworthy?

I agree. Berry stepped into a GM dream with the draft capital and cap space he had available. He squandered it all. He's in his 5th year and could have built something really special with those resources, instead we have this dumpster fire. He's traded or let walk much better talent than he's acquired, and the elite players on our team all came from Dorsey. He fits right in with the likes of Farmer, Kokinis, Sashi Brown or Dwight Clark for GM ineptitude. I'll always have a soft spot for Sashi Brown for the fax machine "mishap" though.

Dream draft capital for Berry? - only Dorsey had the dream draft capital (4 picks in top 32 1st year - 2 in the top 4). He squandered and traded picks away with the best of them.

Berry was under Sashi during the accumulation of the draft capital bonanza, but Dorsey was the one that cashed in.

Berry's first draft was the Jed Wills draft.

And that says quite a bit all on its own.

C'mon Pit you're being unfair. Jed has a knee issue. He's probably a late bloomer just give him time....

[quote=Homewood Dog]C'mon Pit you're being unfair. Jed has a knee issue. He's probably a late bloomer just give him time.... [/quote

or he is just lazy and unmotivated.

Draft better? That’s not much of a revelation. We Browns fans have known that for years!

You lost me at "insider Tony Grossi".