I saw that. Syria also. It's beginning to crumble. I'm sure we'll come to the rescue, though...
he came out and said it was bad for Biden to authorize ukraine to use the new missiles. he doesnt get it. too many people think appeasement is a viable option.
Trump thinks that appeasement is a tool and that’s all I have to say on it. The people of Ukraine are doomed unless the right gets off its ass and demands that Trump do what’s right for democracy and help save them. Else, Trump will tell Putin to do whatever he wants and that will start the 3rd great war, including here at home. Same for Gaza and Netanyahu. And it will be almost as sad as watching Trump rip 21 plus million brown people out of the country.
My prediction, Putin will get part of Ukraine and comeback later for the rest, after getting cover he’ll fully recoup his power. Trump will stumble and bumble on the world stage while orchestrating the great oligarchic heist upon America, thereby letting our allies deal with the fallout on a global level. Personally, I think our best bet of getting through this admin unscathed is full on OBSTRUCTION at every turn. GRIDLOCK<IDIOCY.
The current oil market isn't going to be helping Russia out, either.
But yes, I foresee a Trump admin easing up on sanctions and giving Russia some breathing room.
We probably should. We have to look at the big picture here. I am not saying we should let Putin off the hook, and it will be better when he is replaced, but culturally we have more in common with Russian than China.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
There's just something so different about the way he treats Putin. Don't know what's going on there, but you could see it throughout his administration, you could see it during the debates.
I've always seen it in his body language. Go back to the tapes (there are millions, now- the price he pays for being famous). Countless interviews, endless hours of video of him sharing space with Putin...
In the presence of Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump immediately assumes a beta posture. At the mere mention of Vladimir Putin (even on TV interviews with female hosts), Donald Trump assumes a beta posture.
And then, there was Helsinki. When the global/national stakes couldn't be higher, Trump pussed America on the world stage, when given the chance to defend America's intel communities' ability to know what Russia had been doing.
This dude salivates/submits at the mention of Putin's name like Pavlov's dog. There must be something behind it.
...and yet, He behaves similarly (albeit to a slightly lesser degree) in regards to Xi-Jinping and Little Rocket Man... so there's that to consider, too.
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It really is one of the weirdest things I've ever witnessed from a Head of State. Any Head of State. From any country. Ever. And I've seen/read my fair share of History, over the years.
The current oil market isn't going to be helping Russia out, either.
But yes, I foresee a Trump admin easing up on sanctions and giving Russia some breathing room.
We probably should. We have to look at the big picture here. I am not saying we should let Putin off the hook, and it will be better when he is replaced, but culturally we have more in common with Russian than China.
I don't even know what you're getting at with the last part, so I'm just going to ignore it.
So we should ease up on sanctions, which will let Putin off the hook. With MAGA's agenda getting green-lit, there won't be significant (if any) arms shipments to Ukraine, so as their equipment degrades Russia's war of attrition will start gaining momentum. The only tool that MAGA hasn't (at this point) taken from our hands is economic sanctions.
With the current economic situation (demand and prices for oil and gas relatively low internationally), sanctions are biting Russia without causing too much collateral damage on the global markets. The only impact that easing sanctions will have would be to take the heat off Putin.
I also think it's cute that you think the likely solution is him being replaced, as if that's even a remote possibility, even moreso saying that in the same post that you argue for helping him on sanctions.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
There's just something so different about the way he treats Putin. Don't know what's going on there, but you could see it throughout his administration, you could see it during the debates.
I've always seen it in his body language. Go back to the tapes (there are millions, now- the price he pays for being famous). Countless interviews, endless hours of video of him sharing space with Putin...
In the presence of Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump immediately assumes a beta posture. At the mere mention of Vladimir Putin (even on TV interviews with female hosts), Donald Trump assumes a beta posture.
And then, there was Helsinki. When the global/national stakes couldn't be higher, Trump pussed America on the world stage, when given the chance to defend America's intel communities' ability to know what Russia had been doing.
This dude salivates/submits at the mention of Putin's name like Pavlov's dog. There must be something behind it.
...and yet, He behaves similarly (albeit to a slightly lesser degree) in regards to Xi-Jinping and Little Rocket Man... so there's that to consider, too.
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It really is one of the weirdest things I've ever witnessed from a Head of State. Any Head of State. From any country. Ever. And I've seen/read my fair share of History, over the years.
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I agree completely with those observations. Helsinki was one of the most embarrassing moments I've seen from any administration in my lifetime. I'll admit that I did not want Trump to assume the presidency in '16, but I was hoping that he would go after Putin the way he goes after a lot of his adversaries. Man, that did NOT happen...
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The current oil market isn't going to be helping Russia out, either.
But yes, I foresee a Trump admin easing up on sanctions and giving Russia some breathing room.
We probably should. We have to look at the big picture here. I am not saying we should let Putin off the hook, and it will be better when he is replaced, but culturally we have more in common with Russian than China.
I completely struggle trying to get my head wrapped around this line of thinking. Why should we ease up on sanctions?
It's very clear Russia made the play for Ukraine, and is meddling in all these international affairs to restore its greatness that it experienced during the Cold War. It has been well-published that Putin took the fall of the USSR very badly and has been working toward that goal with Ukraine and his meddling both in Europe and in US elections.
I have to imagine you are a big Reagan guy. If Reagan saw the chance to tighten the vice around Russia the way we currently do, especially with their blatantly abhorrent behavior, would he not do it?
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
We probably should. We have to look at the big picture here. I am not saying we should let Putin off the hook, and it will be better when he is replaced, but culturally we have more in common with Russian than China.
That would be great if China and Russia didn't already have so much in common. They have been expanding trade and defense ties already already over the past decade. I have seen nothing to indicate they are what one might describe as close allies but it's headed more and more in that direction. Efforts to keep NATO strong and united is our best bet and always has been since the end of WW2. Something trump hasn't always seen as beneficial. He has in the past done more to create friction there than unite.
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The current oil market isn't going to be helping Russia out, either.
But yes, I foresee a Trump admin easing up on sanctions and giving Russia some breathing room.
We probably should. We have to look at the big picture here. I am not saying we should let Putin off the hook, and it will be better when he is replaced, but culturally we have more in common with Russian than China.
care to explain this? how are we more culturally similar to Russia? Most certainly isn't language, style of government, or western philosophies.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
bro, im really hoping for a real response from him that doesn't relate to race.
hoping.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I simply looked at your question and tried to think of any way at all that assertion could be made and that's the only thing I could think of as a possible answer. I very much hope you're right that he can actually come up with some other reason than that. Nothing about their form of government or society is like ours so I'm as interested as you are.
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Kremlin praises Trump for criticising Ukrainian strikes deep into Russia
Kremlin says Trump's position in line with Russia Trump understands the escalation risks - the Kremlin Russia cautions: we should wait and see with Trump Too early to discuss peacekeeper ideas, the Kremlin says
MOSCOW, Dec 13 (Reuters) - The Kremlin praised U.S. President-elect Donald Trump on Friday for criticising Ukrainian missile strikes deep into Russian territory but said discussions about deploying European troops to keep a possible future peace in Ukraine were premature.
With Russia advancing at the fastest rate since the 2022 invasion, Trump and some European leaders have discussed how to end the war in Ukraine.
Trump criticised Ukraine's use of U.S.-supplied missiles for attacks deep into Russia in a Time magazine interview published on Thursday, saying it was "crazy" because it escalated the war. He said Washington should not have allowed it.
"The statement itself completely coincides with our position," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters. He said Trump's remarks were in line with "our vision of the causes of escalation".
"It appeals to us," Peskov said. "It is obvious that Trump understands exactly what is escalating the situation."
Russia has said the decision by U.S. President Joe Biden to let Ukraine strike deep into Russia with U.S.-made ATACMS ballistic missiles could trigger a world war, but some Western leaders suggest Russia has military ambitions beyond Ukraine.
Kyiv says it should be able to strike at its enemy although some U.S. officials question whether the Ukrainian missile strikes can change the course of the war.
Russia said on Wednesday Ukraine had struck a military airfield on the Azov Sea with six U.S.-made ATACMS ballistic missiles.
After Ukraine struck Russia with ATACMS last month, Russia fired a new hypersonic ballistic missile known as "Oreshnik", or Hazel Tree, at Ukraine, and Putin said Russia reserved the right to hit U.S. and British military facilities.
EUROPEAN TROOPS?
While campaigning for the presidency, Trump said he would swiftly end the war, but has not detailed in public how he would do so.
Asked whether Trump's words gave the Kremlin greater hope for ending the war, Peskov cautioned that during his first term as U.S. president Trump imposed many sanctions on Russia.
"Let's not forget, sanctions were imposed against our country over 50 times, and there were many unfriendly manifestations towards our country," Peskov said. "This should not be forgotten, so do not get ahead of yourself."
The Kremlin said discussions by European powers about possibly deploying European troops to police any ceasefire were premature, but did not dismiss the idea outright.
"All this should be discussed during the negotiations," Peskov said of the European discussions. "We have repeatedly said that a truce in itself is not what we want: we need peace."
Peace, he said, would come after conditions set out by Russia were fulfilled and all Moscow's goals were achieved.
Setting out his opening terms for an immediate end to the war, Putin said in June that Ukraine must drop ambitions to join NATO and withdraw its troops from four Ukrainian regions claimed and mostly controlled by Russia. He has also said agreements rejected by Kyiv in early 2022 could form the basis of a deal.
Reuters reported last month that Putin is open to discussing a ceasefire deal with Trump but rules out any big territorial concessions.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said this week Kyiv wanted an end to the war and efforts were needed to make his country stronger and oblige the Kremlin to work towards peace.
Biden should send them a large arsenal of missiles, long range drones, and an extreme number of those flying blocks of C4 and shrapnel drones. The war would definitely not go his way then. And Z could outlast Trump. BUT I’d be okay if Trump gives up Ukraine as long we could swap presidents first. Then Trump, Putin, and all the other little dictators could play tough guy in private while retiring in Russia.
if china decided it's easier to invade parts of Russia that used to belong to them over Taiwan.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Xi? I don’t think he’d go there, but it would turn the world on its head. And Putin is weak af right now. It wouldn’t take a hell of a lot to topple him I don’t think. That rouge general he killed a while back would probably be able to drive straight to the kremlin today.
The USA should be pushing for Ukraine to be incorporated into NATO before Trump takes office. Just saying. Actually that should have happened years ago.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Biden was pushing it when Putin said he’d go nuclear if that happened. I would have made him prove it, because he says that a hell of a lot. He’s a bully and would never because it would be the end of his power no matter what the outcome. I wish Joe would have smacked him a bit harder.
Since Ukraine is much closer to our European allies I would tend to think it would be them pushing the hardest to get Ukraine into NATO. I understand that the missile capability which exists from the U.S. and Russia makes both sides withing striking distance of each other. Yet still if you reside in Europe even mid range missile systems and ground troop are a very real threat that a full scale war could be started by Putin on your country.
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I didn't mean to limit my message strictly to nukes but the overall more immediate threat he poses to European nations than he does us due to proximity.
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if china decided it's easier to invade parts of Russia that used to belong to them over Taiwan.
It would, but what would you rather have, Tiawan which offers major strategic importance and major assets or parts of Siberia and outer Mongolia?
from the perspective of china, i rather have the Manchuria region back over Taiwan.
from the perspective of the US, while them taking that region back from Russia would pose a threat, it's easier to help Japan take the Kuril islands and further north, knowing that Taiwan wont be getting invaded, as well as avoiding conflict with China.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Xi? I don’t think he’d go there, but it would turn the world on its head. And Putin is weak af right now. It wouldn’t take a hell of a lot to topple him I don’t think. That rouge general he killed a while back would probably be able to drive straight to the kremlin today.
why wouldn't he? especially since he isn't happy that North korea sent troops over there. China has a food and population crisis. im not putting anything past Xi, especially after Putin let Syria fall. this is one of those times where anything is possible.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The USA should be pushing for Ukraine to be incorporated into NATO before Trump takes office. Just saying. Actually that should have happened years ago.
No time to do that at this point, and Ukraine would get zero votes from European members while they are in a war. The reality is a lot of people in Ukraine want to be in Russia. I doubt it will happen in peace time at this point.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
if china decided it's easier to invade parts of Russia that used to belong to them over Taiwan.
That would be funny. He actually has the exact same justification to invade those areas as what Putin threw out there to invade Ukraine.
and with China having a massive problem feeding their population, there's the potential opportunity to take it back with next to no military pushback. China's food and water issue is one reason their starting problems around the border with India.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Xi? I don’t think he’d go there, but it would turn the world on its head. And Putin is weak af right now. It wouldn’t take a hell of a lot to topple him I don’t think. That rouge general he killed a while back would probably be able to drive straight to the kremlin today.
why wouldn't he? especially since he isn't happy that North korea sent troops over there. China has a food and population crisis. im not putting anything past Xi, especially after Putin let Syria fall. this is one of those times where anything is possible.
We are still China’s biggest adversary simply because of our national wealth, innovative technological prowess, and military might. Xi and Putin have a history of showing solidarity in their respective roles as authoritarian leaders in adversarial position against the US… but hey, I could always be wrong.
And even though Putin might look like easy pickings right now, historically, trying to hold anything Russian long term does not work out well. Not to mention that fighting each other would make both more vulnerable to us.
MOSCOW (Reuters) -A top Russian general accused by Ukraine of being responsible for the use of chemical weapons against Ukrainian troops was assassinated in Moscow by Ukraine's SBU intelligence service on Tuesday morning in the most high-profile killing of its kind.
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, who was chief of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops, was killed outside an apartment building along with his assistant when a bomb hidden in an electric scooter went off, Russia's Investigative Committee, which probes serious crimes, said.
An SBU source confirmed to Reuters that the Ukrainian intelligence agency had been behind the hit. "The liquidation of the chief of the radiation and chemical protection troops of the Russian Federation is the work of the SBU," the source said.
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sheesh!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Russia admitting to Ukraine operating within its capitol like this sounds fishy.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Russia admitting to Ukraine operating within its capitol like this sounds fishy.
it's become impossible to fully control the narrative to their citizens when Ukraine entered Kursk. now they can only spin.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Russia admitting to Ukraine operating within its capitol like this sounds fishy.
it's become impossible to fully control the narrative to their citizens when Ukraine entered Kursk. now they can only spin.
I'm just saying... the first place my mind went was it was actually the Kremlin that killed him and then they blamed their current go-to boogieman.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Russia admitting to Ukraine operating within its capitol like this sounds fishy.
it's become impossible to fully control the narrative to their citizens when Ukraine entered Kursk. now they can only spin.
I'm just saying... the first place my mind went was it was actually the Kremlin that killed him and then they blamed their current go-to boogieman.
that's where my mind went as well bro. its just now, its got too close to home for the Kremlin to maintain the status quo. its beyond embarrassing for them now.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
MOSCOW (Reuters) -A top Russian general accused by Ukraine of being responsible for the use of chemical weapons against Ukrainian troops was assassinated in Moscow by Ukraine's SBU intelligence service on Tuesday morning in the most high-profile killing of its kind.
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, who was chief of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops, was killed outside an apartment building along with his assistant when a bomb hidden in an electric scooter went off, Russia's Investigative Committee, which probes serious crimes, said.
An SBU source confirmed to Reuters that the Ukrainian intelligence agency had been behind the hit. "The liquidation of the chief of the radiation and chemical protection troops of the Russian Federation is the work of the SBU," the source said.
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sheesh!
Russia will probably respond with some sort of nuke threat again, ironically.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
MOSCOW (Reuters) -A top Russian general accused by Ukraine of being responsible for the use of chemical weapons against Ukrainian troops was assassinated in Moscow by Ukraine's SBU intelligence service on Tuesday morning in the most high-profile killing of its kind.
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, who was chief of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops, was killed outside an apartment building along with his assistant when a bomb hidden in an electric scooter went off, Russia's Investigative Committee, which probes serious crimes, said.
An SBU source confirmed to Reuters that the Ukrainian intelligence agency had been behind the hit. "The liquidation of the chief of the radiation and chemical protection troops of the Russian Federation is the work of the SBU," the source said.
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sheesh!
This shows Putin is weak and all of his henchmen are vulnerable. I love it. Zelenski is THE BEST leader of a country during the Trump era. I hope he survives Trump’s BS.
MOSCOW (Reuters) -A top Russian general accused by Ukraine of being responsible for the use of chemical weapons against Ukrainian troops was assassinated in Moscow by Ukraine's SBU intelligence service on Tuesday morning in the most high-profile killing of its kind.
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, who was chief of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops, was killed outside an apartment building along with his assistant when a bomb hidden in an electric scooter went off, Russia's Investigative Committee, which probes serious crimes, said.
An SBU source confirmed to Reuters that the Ukrainian intelligence agency had been behind the hit. "The liquidation of the chief of the radiation and chemical protection troops of the Russian Federation is the work of the SBU," the source said.
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sheesh!
Russia will probably respond with some sort of nuke threat again, ironically.
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