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To quote the infallible Andrew Berry, three more opportunities.

Kids that are bad will get Cleveland Browns tickets for Christmas instead of coal.

I think we win this game if we had a good QB. Berry can't be trusted to draft our next QB.

That's awful news. The factory of sadness continues.

Stefanski sure doesn't look like a offensive genius now does he?

The Browns need a fresh start and that means a total house cleaning. It can start with Berry and Stefanski. Berry should be fired just for the disastrous Watson trade alone. I would really love a new owner but that's not going to happen so will have to settle for a purge of the front office and coaching staff.

It’s been clear for awhile this isn’t the staff that’s going to take us where we want to go. Horrid talent acquisition, horrible cap management, and abysmal coaching . If you bring this staff back next year you’re telling all the fans you’re an incompetent owner and only cares about money and winning is far down on the list

Can we get a quarterback who throws the ball to his teammates? And MKC always says the Watson deal was an organizational thing, so you can’t blame Berry. That is bull. Stefanski’s job is to coach the roster he is given. Haslam’s job is to hire people and write checks. Berry’s job is personnel. Just because he got buy-in doesn’t make it any less his fault. He has to go, and before he can screw up our draft.

We have nothing but backup, interception machine QBs who are really have no QB smarts. Not a single one of our QBs has the football intelligence to be considered a solid starter. The Browns are so far behind the 8 ball thanks to the worst trade in NFL history, it will take years to become competitive once again, especially with aging "super stars" and a completely inept Offensive coaching staff.

I like Nick and wanted to sigh him, but i think the guy is done.

KC was ripe for the pickings today and our defense was stout giving our offense many opportunities to get back into the game. But our semi-pro offense was not up to the challenge. Pretty sad when Jerome Ford (who I don't like) is your player-of-the-game. I keep KS and all defensive coaches but all the offensive coaches should be released. C''mon - 4 penalties for lining up incorrectly. That is on coaching. Mistakes everywhere you turn. I don't see any wins left...even Miami should roll over us. The one bright spot: our draft position improved a bit....

I didn’t realize Wentz was KC’s backup. He is better than Winston, by far.

what a horrible team we have become - literally nothing exciting, proud, or positive.

edit: I'll add Jeudy as a nice asset this year

that's it

You can attribute that to Winston, not Watson.

Right? He's the most productive WR in football since week 8.

Move this garbage team. They’re a futile embarrassment. Baffling that the Steelers never put their fans through 0-16, never put them through a losing season and end up with Russel Wilson. While here we are, a group of people that have supported this team via emotion and money, and are a complete joke. They get Russel Wilson for a penance, meanwhile we get the shaft on the worst trade in sports history. Completely ridiculous. We can’t even string together 2 straight playoff seasons. A complete garbage franchise. Just move.

That happened

Baker with 4 TDs today and Browns QBs with 4 INTs.

Bills put up 48 points with some of the best offensive play calling I've seen. Think they miss Dorsey?

We can bitch and moan all we want about this team and its leadership. But we keep coming back to watch/pay/support week after week.

If they run back Watson next year like they’re threatening, I’m done until that changes. I suggest that everyone else does the same.

We all complain about how the decisions these guys make are terrible and how we have no control. Well we do. If this garbage team doesn’t have us morons to keep coming back to support this garbage, they don’t pay the bills. We need to organize a walk-out.

I’m totally serious.

I forgot about Bojorquez - he's a top 5 punter IMO

yep, further proof the issue was never Baker, it was Berry/stefanski. Stefanski cannot adjust and Berry couldn't recognize talent if it smacked him in the face. Baker has 32 TD's and 104 QBR for the season while completing 70 percent of his passes.. better than any of our QB's combined . Also better than Josh Allen for those that love to bring that up

Apropos.

I am totally serious here, you do you, I'll do what I want.

Perfect. Have a good night.

is Winston only signed through the end of this season?

Yes.

The only football thing we do consistently at a true NFL level...is punt.

thanks Frank. Good. Let him walk

I'll do my best but they don't listen to me.

"Well maybe they got-damn should!"

It drives me batty: we had FIVE choices at the top of the 2018 draft and only one was a bust -- Rosen. Of the other four, Mayfield and Darnold were the worst choices.

We draft Mayfield and probably could have won a title with him last year.

We moved on from Mayfield because we "wanted an adult".


But the real problem is that we didn't have real leaders.

Real leaders will tell you to sit down, shut up and know your place.

Try to imagine Mayfield telling Harbaugh, Tomlin, Belichick, etc, etc, etc... whether HE has decided to play or not.

Enough with the Kumbaya, everyone's feelings matter, "are you upset, I'm sorry!" style of management.

I say Kevin would be good at doing exactly what Ken Dorsey is doing , sitting in the booth calling plays . He adds nothing to the team being on the sideline . I am not sure he can somehow transform into a disciplinarian . The problems we have have not improved at all . I think Kevin is an OC , not a HC

I'm glad for Baker, but his success is a knife to the chest ... he was by far the best QB we'd had since 1999 and then things unraveled

I said in a previous post awhile back that I felt (and do) that JW was a liability for us net. Motor is good, plenty of rah-rah, shows fiery game, but will regularly give you back-breaking picks, fumbles, sack-taking, missed receivers. My suggested observation was that he can't avoid it. I feel he will "produce" about 4 to 6 per game of turnover events. Some are missed by the D, but most folks would agree that we are at risk. Two or three picks, a fumble or two, and QB plays kill off our game again.
I also wanted to mention his bad habits appear worse: Forcing passes, staring down throws, especially deep ones (end zone interceptions), throwing late, loafing many of his drops. I am not seeing anything I want to build around. I am not curious about him; I am not eager to see more for next year. He is Watson Light at a bargain. How many picks and failures are enough? This is enough for me.

Winston has been exactly who he has been for his whole career: he'll push the ball down the field for good and bad. Which means he'll never win consistently. He easily puts the ball into harms way 10 times a game

You mean you’ve had enough of the collaboration and the process being more important than the results?

After watching this video, I’m convinced the Browns are a lab experiment for the NFL.

Our special teams need some changes too. Ventrone has not impressed me.

Placing a premium, perhaps too much, in the behind-the-scenes organizational processes. Outcomes driven? Whatever targets and metrics we are worshipping are not translating to the field for wins. The coaching has been exposed. Re-set priorities, simplify targets. Simplify, simplify. We are fooling no-one IMO.

Maybe this is a dumb question...

Is a broken foot bone really a bad thing for someone coming back from a catastrophic soft-tissue injury during a season that hasn't mattered for a month or more? I know it's not going to help him continue to get his strength/explosiveness back, but it does alleviate the risk of taking another hit to that knee as it continues to heal.

Wouldn't it be much be much easier for you to move than all of them having to move?

That's what I was thinking as well. Maybe a blessing in disguise for him to sit out the rest of the season and have several more months to let his body heal. Was the broken foot on the same side as his knee surgeries?

No. The knee injury was his second major injury and subsequent surgery to his right knee. Yesterday he broke his left foot via a non contact injury.

The radio was brutal this morning. One host noted that the muni lot was more than half empty. He also noted that the stadium was noticeably more occupied with chiefs fans. - Even noted that the ushers had never seen fewer browns fans in there.

Good. Send the message that this is unacceptable and won’t be tolerated. If this team can’t string together two consecutive playoff seasons-IN 25 YEARS, nor can they win a divisional championship, no more tolerance.

They can move to OKC or San Antonio. Bring in an nhl team.

So can you.

I feel like our ST unit is a huge issue too. Our FG kickers stinks, our return game/coverage has been leaky, we don't have a good, consistent threat back there ... and we have had costly penalties

I think we’ve shown signs of life in the return game the last couple of weeks. Ford has run better on returns - and in the O - the past two games than he ever has. Can’t blame Ray Ventrone for Hopkins. That’s all on the kicker.
Ford seems to be running with burst, with purpose, instead of hesitation.

Flexed out of a Thursday game and 2 Sunday games.

Thanks, Losers.

Move.

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday, Dawgs4Life! Hope you're having a great day!!

The only loser around here is you. Posting this crap nonstop on a Browns message board. I’ve been through my team leaving and I would rather have a team that can’t win over that. You don’t like it you really should leave. This board would be better off without your crap.