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To quote the infallible Andrew Berry, three more opportunities.
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Kids that are bad will get Cleveland Browns tickets for Christmas instead of coal.
I think we win this game if we had a good QB. Berry can't be trusted to draft our next QB.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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That's awful news. The factory of sadness continues.
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Stefanski sure doesn't look like a offensive genius now does he?
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The Browns need a fresh start and that means a total house cleaning. It can start with Berry and Stefanski. Berry should be fired just for the disastrous Watson trade alone. I would really love a new owner but that's not going to happen so will have to settle for a purge of the front office and coaching staff.
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It’s been clear for awhile this isn’t the staff that’s going to take us where we want to go. Horrid talent acquisition, horrible cap management, and abysmal coaching . If you bring this staff back next year you’re telling all the fans you’re an incompetent owner and only cares about money and winning is far down on the list
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Can we get a quarterback who throws the ball to his teammates? And MKC always says the Watson deal was an organizational thing, so you can’t blame Berry. That is bull. Stefanski’s job is to coach the roster he is given. Haslam’s job is to hire people and write checks. Berry’s job is personnel. Just because he got buy-in doesn’t make it any less his fault. He has to go, and before he can screw up our draft.
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We have nothing but backup, interception machine QBs who are really have no QB smarts. Not a single one of our QBs has the football intelligence to be considered a solid starter. The Browns are so far behind the 8 ball thanks to the worst trade in NFL history, it will take years to become competitive once again, especially with aging "super stars" and a completely inept Offensive coaching staff.
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I like Nick and wanted to sigh him, but i think the guy is done.
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KC was ripe for the pickings today and our defense was stout giving our offense many opportunities to get back into the game. But our semi-pro offense was not up to the challenge. Pretty sad when Jerome Ford (who I don't like) is your player-of-the-game. I keep KS and all defensive coaches but all the offensive coaches should be released. C''mon - 4 penalties for lining up incorrectly. That is on coaching. Mistakes everywhere you turn. I don't see any wins left...even Miami should roll over us. The one bright spot: our draft position improved a bit....
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I didn’t realize Wentz was KC’s backup. He is better than Winston, by far.
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what a horrible team we have become - literally nothing exciting, proud, or positive.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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edit: I'll add Jeudy as a nice asset this year
that's it
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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edit: I'll add Jeudy as a nice asset this year
that's it No love for Bojorquez? He's our MVP, bro!
HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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edit: I'll add Jeudy as a nice asset this year
that's it No love for Bojorquez? He's our MVP, bro!
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Six turnovers.
14 points scored off the turnovers in a 21-7 game.
Impossible to win.
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edit: I'll add Jeudy as a nice asset this year
that's it You can attribute that to Winston, not Watson.
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edit: I'll add Jeudy as a nice asset this year
that's it You can attribute that to Winston, not Watson. Right? He's the most productive WR in football since week 8.
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Move this garbage team. They’re a futile embarrassment. Baffling that the Steelers never put their fans through 0-16, never put them through a losing season and end up with Russel Wilson. While here we are, a group of people that have supported this team via emotion and money, and are a complete joke. They get Russel Wilson for a penance, meanwhile we get the shaft on the worst trade in sports history. Completely ridiculous. We can’t even string together 2 straight playoff seasons. A complete garbage franchise. Just move.
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Joe Thomas #73
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Baker with 4 TDs today and Browns QBs with 4 INTs. 
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Bills put up 48 points with some of the best offensive play calling I've seen. Think they miss Dorsey?
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We can bitch and moan all we want about this team and its leadership. But we keep coming back to watch/pay/support week after week.
If they run back Watson next year like they’re threatening, I’m done until that changes. I suggest that everyone else does the same.
We all complain about how the decisions these guys make are terrible and how we have no control. Well we do. If this garbage team doesn’t have us morons to keep coming back to support this garbage, they don’t pay the bills. We need to organize a walk-out.
I’m totally serious.
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I forgot about Bojorquez - he's a top 5 punter IMO
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Baker with 4 TDs today and Browns QBs with 4 INTs.  yep, further proof the issue was never Baker, it was Berry/stefanski. Stefanski cannot adjust and Berry couldn't recognize talent if it smacked him in the face. Baker has 32 TD's and 104 QBR for the season while completing 70 percent of his passes.. better than any of our QB's combined . Also better than Josh Allen for those that love to bring that up
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We can bitch and moan all we want about this team and its leadership. But we keep coming back to watch/pay/support week after week.
If they run back Watson next year like they’re threatening, I’m done until that changes. I suggest that everyone else does the same.
We all complain about how the decisions these guys make are terrible and how we have no control. Well we do. If this garbage team doesn’t have us morons to keep coming back to support this garbage, they don’t pay the bills. We need to organize a walk-out.
I’m totally serious. I am totally serious here, you do you, I'll do what I want.
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Perfect. Have a good night.
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is Winston only signed through the end of this season?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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is Winston only signed through the end of this season? Yes.
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The only football thing we do consistently at a true NFL level...is punt.
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thanks Frank. Good. Let him walk
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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thanks Frank. Good. Let him walk I'll do my best but they don't listen to me. 
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thanks Frank. Good. Let him walk I'll do my best but they don't listen to me.  "Well maybe they got-damn should!"
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It drives me batty: we had FIVE choices at the top of the 2018 draft and only one was a bust -- Rosen. Of the other four, Mayfield and Darnold were the worst choices.
We draft Mayfield and probably could have won a title with him last year.
We moved on from Mayfield because we "wanted an adult".
But the real problem is that we didn't have real leaders.
Real leaders will tell you to sit down, shut up and know your place.
Try to imagine Mayfield telling Harbaugh, Tomlin, Belichick, etc, etc, etc... whether HE has decided to play or not.
Enough with the Kumbaya, everyone's feelings matter, "are you upset, I'm sorry!" style of management.
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I say Kevin would be good at doing exactly what Ken Dorsey is doing , sitting in the booth calling plays . He adds nothing to the team being on the sideline . I am not sure he can somehow transform into a disciplinarian . The problems we have have not improved at all . I think Kevin is an OC , not a HC
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I'm glad for Baker, but his success is a knife to the chest ... he was by far the best QB we'd had since 1999 and then things unraveled
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I said in a previous post awhile back that I felt (and do) that JW was a liability for us net. Motor is good, plenty of rah-rah, shows fiery game, but will regularly give you back-breaking picks, fumbles, sack-taking, missed receivers. My suggested observation was that he can't avoid it. I feel he will "produce" about 4 to 6 per game of turnover events. Some are missed by the D, but most folks would agree that we are at risk. Two or three picks, a fumble or two, and QB plays kill off our game again. I also wanted to mention his bad habits appear worse: Forcing passes, staring down throws, especially deep ones (end zone interceptions), throwing late, loafing many of his drops. I am not seeing anything I want to build around. I am not curious about him; I am not eager to see more for next year. He is Watson Light at a bargain. How many picks and failures are enough? This is enough for me.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
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