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As "draft season" moves forward with the end of the regular season.
I predict the mock drafts and draft analysis will change. There are always risers and guys who fall.
The Senior Bowl is a good time to look at players who will compete in the pros. The Combine happens and people get to see how the players look without pads. Numbers are quoted like 40 times and all the other measurements.
Then team Pro days followed by private workouts. Tape and leaks come out about how guys looked and impressed teams.
IMO the quarterback conversation will change. Sanders will not be viewed as the number one quarterback. Milroe will begin to gain attention with his Combine, Pro day and private workouts.
Jeanty and Hunter will show why they were the Heisman one and two guys.
I want one of those three.
I keep trying to think about trading down but I would hate not getting one of those players. If there were a world where we could trade down and still get one of them while adding high picks. Then we are talking about the dream scenario.
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Hoping the Giants or Raiders trade up to one for Ward and Hunter is there for us is where I'm at.
Shutdown corners with elite ball skills are hard to find.
I kind of think Jaxson Dart is being slept on a bit at QB. Need to watch more of him, but some of the placement and layered throws in the highlights are nice. Of course, he'll probably rise through the draft process and the value proposition will change.
Trade back for plus value could be great, but not sure passing on Hunter is worth the risk. If he is what the draft machine thinks he is, that's hard to let go.
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Hunter is a two for one guy.
If it ends where the Patriots are getting the first pick.
I do not see them passing on him. He should be the first pick.
If we were set at quarterback and Hunter was off the Board. I would draft Jeanty.
I believe in running the ball. I think if you can do that efficiently and have a home run hitter. It is the fastest way to develop a passer.
When Nick was cooking we were a good team.
Jeanty is a better prospect than Nick was. I do not say that without taking a deep breath.
The problem is we are not set at quarterback.
Milroe is not Jayden Daniels. He is not ready to start next year. Unless the Browns were a complete team with loads of talent. We are not that team.
Milroe has the potential to be exceptional. However, he needs more development in playing from the pocket and reading defenses. Once he becomes a pass first run second guy then he will be something special.
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Is this year's QB draft class strong? It doesn't sound like it.
Was last season's draft class strong? IIRC, the answer is no so long as you don't include hindsight. Bo Nix and Daniels have (so far) turned out looking good.
With how scrap-heap QBs have looked when they've come in here and played in KS's system, I'm of the opinion that we could get along just fine with Cousins. What I'm worried about now is the Oline and the running game.
At the very least, we need a competent-or-better LT. Ideally, that would come from the draft. Then you let Wills/Conklin/whoever duke it out for RT. I think Wills could settle into a fine RT, but I'm not going to shed a tear if that helps him play his way off the roster or into a depth role. I also think we need to put some assets into finding our next Chubb. Worst case, that player would have to take the mantle, but best case is we have our newest two-headed monster. The Chubb-Hunt seasons were really fun.
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There is really no way to answer the quarterback question.
Daniels looks very good.
Until they play professional football it is all quesswork.
Ward has a lot of experience and that always helps.
I want no part of Sanders. However, that does not mean he will not be good.
I like Milroe.
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It sure looks like the order will not change after this coming week.
You have to feel that the Patriots will draft Hunter.
The Titans most likely will draft a quarterback. I hope it is Sanders.
The Browns with the third pick.
I do not know. I don't even want to guess.
If another team who wants a quarterback approaches the Browns to trade up. They may jump at it.
At the same time I have no clue what they think about the quarterbacks in the draft. They could covet someone.
Even if they do sign a vet like Cousins or someone else. I have no idea if that will change who they want to draft.
Under normal circumstances I would not want to draft a running back in the first round. However, there are exceptions.
Jeanty is an exception. Just watch the tape. Sick.
If the Patriots traded out of the first pick because someone wanted a quarterback. And then the Titans draft a quarterback.
I am not sure how you pass on Hunter. The only way you do that is if you are SOLD on a quarterback who is still there.
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j/c...
Milroe should strongly consider returning to Alabama for another year. He is absolutely lousy.
This game is not doing him any favors.
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so if we go QB, it comes down to Sanders vs Ward, and Ward stands out. so maybe Ward vs Hunter with our pick. Watson is the x factor in who we end up choosing.
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I was reading the scouting report on Arch Manning.
I have not seen him take a snap.
The reports are glowing. He has every attribute you look for in a quarterback. By all who have seen him play. He is a can't miss prospect.
What a shame that he is not coming out this year.
Damn I wish I liked the quarterbacks in this draft better than I do.
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It would be improbable that the Patriots beat the Bills under any circumstance.
The Titans are the fly in the ointment. They play the Texans. Hard to see them beating Houston.
So, if the "order" remains the same. The Titans will draft the first quarterback.
For the Browns sake I sure hope they select Sanders.
If it is decided that Ward is the player the Browns want. Man I hope we take him and do not draft Sanders.
If Ward is selected by the Titans and Hunter goes to NE.
We should trade down if possible.
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you guys say it all the time: there is no surefire pick, especially at QB.
people said that trubisky was better than watson (houston era). people thought Rosen and Darnold were better than Lamar. so if there's a QB available, we gotta take one if we are indeed moving on from watson.
Trevor lawrence so far is an absolute bum. he was a 'can't miss' prospect, remember?
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Food for thought.
Considering that Cousins, Fields, and Rodgers could all be available for league minimum who should we go after?
As a person Rodgers is not a favorite of mine. As a player he is a first ballot HOF'er.
He is better than the two other guys. When you really think about it. He would fit well with KS preferred scheme.
OK then another consideration.
Sam Darnold is not going anywhere. Should we consider trading our first pick for JJ McCarthy?
The Vikings would have to consider that. Darnold is still young and has taken that team over.
I am going to start watching McCarthy tape.
He was drafted 10th and then tore his miniscus. I wonder what the Vikings would want for him? Maybe they would take a second?
Or, some kind of conditional pick. I really think this has to be a consideration.
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you guys say it all the time: there is no surefire pick, especially at QB.
people said that trubisky was better than watson (houston era). people thought Rosen and Darnold were better than Lamar. so if there's a QB available, we gotta take one if we are indeed moving on from watson.
Trevor lawrence so far is an absolute bum. he was a 'can't miss' prospect, remember? The flaw I see in this thinking is that this team looks like it could make a "can't miss" prospect look like a bum much more readily than making a "project" work. I'm leaning towards fix the rest of the offense so a QB has a chance. Buying fine china and setting it hanging half off a rickety shelf in an earthquake prone environment sounds like a quick way to have shattered porcelain in the dumpster. Gotta get the OL fixed. Maybe some of that is dumping Dorsey's scheme changes. People talk about bringing in Peyton Manning to pick a QB, but I'd be looking at him to run an offense. (Unfortunately, I don't think he wants the job.) Dorsey has not inspired any confidence. Callahan's replacement really hasn't panned out either. Jeanty is a good back. I'm not sure how good he'd look behind the blocking we had this season. I prefer the Mike Shanahan approach of focusing on the scheme and blockers and plug-in whoever back there to get 1,000 yards. Obviously, a better back is ideal, but get the trenches squared away first. (I don't see a Trent Williams in the draft, though, sadly.) Bring back Winston, go more run heavy, hopefully get him more busted coverages with play action. Don't love it, but throwing a shiny, new QB in the existing blender probably wouldn't end well. Wouldn't be against seeing how Fields does in a similar scenario. I'm leaning the Hunter route because he's a great player, and Myles' presence helps set him up to succeed on D. Focus on the OL the rest of the draft and hopefully get that fixed. After Hunter is settled in on D, perhaps we can let him expand a bit into the offense with a rookie QB in year two. Hopefully with a surrounding environment in place that sets said QB up for success.
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There are many factors at play.
The Browns have a number of vets who want answers now. Like show us a path to win.
Myles, Ward, Bitonio, Njoku, and probably others as well.
There will be coaching changes at the end of the season. We went from 11 wins to 3? How and why?
Van Pelt was let go. Bill Callahan left. Dorsey was hired. Dorsey took over play calling.
I expect most of the coaches including Ventrone and Dorsey to be let go.
KS and AB will be on the hot seat to win next year.
Haslam spent big and got little. His major concern is the dome and all that includes to make it successful.
Watson cannot be let go till 2026.
A viable option to address all of that is put into place a plan to succeed.
Could this be a solution?
Sign a quarterback. Rodgers, Cousins, Fields. One of them in that order.
Trade a second and third for JJ McCarthy. Consider our first rounder. Berry was the mentor to the Vikings GM Mensah.
If not McCarthy then if you like Ward better try and draft him. Bear in mind that the Titans could draft Ward or Sanders.
Personally I want no part of Sanders.
If we came to camp with Rodgers, McCarthy and Watson you would have to believe that will be better than the 2024 QB room.
We would still have free agency and the draft to bring in better players.
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There are many factors at play.
The Browns have a number of vets who want answers now. Like show us a path to win.
Myles, Ward, Bitonio, Njoku, and probably others as well.
There will be coaching changes at the end of the season. We went from 11 wins to 3? How and why?
Van Pelt was let go. Bill Callahan left. Dorsey was hired. Dorsey took over play calling.
I expect most of the coaches including Ventrone and Dorsey to be let go.
KS and AB will be on the hot seat to win next year.
Haslam spent big and got little. His major concern is the dome and all that includes to make it successful.
Watson cannot be let go till 2026.
A viable option to address all of that is put into place a plan to succeed.
Could this be a solution?
Sign a quarterback. Rodgers, Cousins, Fields. One of them in that order.
Trade a second and third for JJ McCarthy. Consider our first rounder. Berry was the mentor to the Vikings GM Mensah.
If not McCarthy then if you like Ward better try and draft him. Bear in mind that the Titans could draft Ward or Sanders.
Personally I want no part of Sanders.
If we came to camp with Rodgers, McCarthy and Watson you would have to believe that will be better than the 2024 QB room.
We would still have free agency and the draft to bring in better players. I think the Browns could get JJ McCarthy simply by swapping 1st rounders with Minnesota. Get a young QB by dropping down 20 spots and then take best player available late in the 1st round with the Vikings pick.
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McCarthy was the 10th pick last year. He has not played. He is 21.
He tore an ACL and then had some issues with inflammation. He should fully recover. He has to be considered a rookie.
Where he fits into this year's draft is in the eyes of the beholder. My guess is he would be close to Sanders and Ward.
What would it take in trade to get him? Something equal to about pick 15 in the first round. Maybe a first in 2026. Or, multiple seconds or some kind of package.
There will be suiters that will include the Jets and others.
Pick three seems high but maybe not. Mensah and Berry are tight. That is a good thing because there is common ground and a level of trust.
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The question then becomes, will the Browns have a top 5-10 draft pick next year? It would be hard to believe that if you "fix everything else on the offense" the Browns wouldn't win more games next year. Hell, look at last season. Such an opportunity may not come along for another 3-5 years at least. Banking on having a top 10 pick next year by kicking the QB can down the road until next year certainly has risks involved as well. At this point it looks like they'll be choosing between the lesser of two evils rather than a clear cut answer as to which road they should follow.
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Food for thought.
Considering that Cousins, Fields, and Rodgers could all be available for league minimum who should we go after?
As a person Rodgers is not a favorite of mine. As a player he is a first ballot HOF'er.
He is better than the two other guys. When you really think about it. He would fit well with KS preferred scheme.
OK then another consideration.
Sam Darnold is not going anywhere. Should we consider trading our first pick for JJ McCarthy?
The Vikings would have to consider that. Darnold is still young and has taken that team over.
I am going to start watching McCarthy tape.
He was drafted 10th and then tore his miniscus. I wonder what the Vikings would want for him? Maybe they would take a second?
Or, some kind of conditional pick. I really think this has to be a consideration. this is a non-starter for me, imo. why in god's name would i trade for an injured QB when i already have one on the roster?
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i mostly agree with that, but that's why i said earlier that Watson is the X factor here. we still gotta wait around for the off-season to begin, nevermind the draft. if it's better to build around the QB, then i go with Travis hunter.
just giving you guys a heads up, my current mentality is that unless we draft a QB, our week 1 starter is gonna be Watson.
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I would draft either Abdul Carter or Mason Graham if it were me. Graham fills a need.
Garrett/Hall Jr./Graham/(McGuire, Wright, and Okoronkwo)
That makes for a nice front four.
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just giving you guys a heads up, my current mentality is that unless we draft a QB, our week 1 starter is gonna be Watson. I'd bet my left arm that Watson starts the season on the PUP list and never plays a down this year for the Browns.
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I wouldn't bet my left arm on anything I think this FO might do moving forward. You're a braver man than I am in that regard.
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IMO there is no world where DW is the starter next year.
First I do not believe he will be physically able. Most likely a PUP candidate for the start of the season.
After that I think he is inactive on the roster.
They will bring in a veteran. DTR will be cut. Winston will not get a contract. The vet will most likely be Cousins. Rodgers may be considered.
They will draft a quarterback or trade for McCarthy.
DW is no longer in the Browns plans. He would have to look reborn. The team did not believe in him. He played his way off the roster.
Turnovers are a primary enemy of every team. We cannot have a repeat of the turnover numbers.
We must improve the run game. KS knows what must happen.
But the real heavyweight burden right now lies on Andrew Berry. His decisions will either move the team forward or sink them further.
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Oregon's LT might be a guy to watch with the draft in mind (Conerly, #76). Could declare early, though hasn't yet as far as I know. I like him better than the Texas or LSU guys from what I've watched so far.
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just giving you guys a heads up, my current mentality is that unless we draft a QB, our week 1 starter is gonna be Watson. I'd bet my left arm that Watson starts the season on the PUP list and never plays a down this year for the Browns. I hope he doesn't either, but i also hoped that Haslam wasn't seriously gonna move the team out of the downtown area, so...
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McCarthy was the 10th pick last year. He has not played. He is 21.
He tore an ACL and then had some issues with inflammation. He should fully recover. He has to be considered a rookie.
Where he fits into this year's draft is in the eyes of the beholder. My guess is he would be close to Sanders and Ward.
What would it take in trade to get him? Something equal to about pick 15 in the first round. Maybe a first in 2026. Or, multiple seconds or some kind of package.
There will be suiters that will include the Jets and others.
Pick three seems high but maybe not. Mensah and Berry are tight. That is a good thing because there is common ground and a level of trust.
I was much higher on both McCarthy and Nix than most people last draft. I think Minnesota franchise's Darnold and makes him prove this year wasn't a fluke before I traded McCarthy IMO, if McCarthy was in the draft he would be the top rated Qb - at least he would on my draft board If I am the Browns, I am definitely willing to trade the #3 overall pick for him - assuming he passes his physical
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I could see the Vikings doing that as well.
However, if they really believe in Darnold trading McCarthy will give them the chance to upgrade with a high pick.
It will be an interesting decision for the Vikings. It could go either way.
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I watched the Penn ST vs Boise State game last night.
Confirmed a few things I was thinking
While Jeanty is really good, I would rather have one of the PSU guys in round 3 than him in round 1
Aller has a great arm and quick release, but needs to be taught to read a defense and recognize a blitz. He also has poor field vision
This draft is deep with talented Rb's
Easily 12-15 have 2nd round grades
Rb's drop - I would take two in rounds 3-5
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I love Jeanty.
They were dead set on stopping him. They loaded the box. Filled gaps. They were looking for him on every play. He still gained 100.
He is exceptional and will be a difference maker in the pros.
We have many needs so unless we trade down. I don't see us taking him with the third pick.
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I would rather have Scatteebo than Jeanty.
Much as I would like to trade for McCarthy, I think MN franchises Darnold and has no intention of trading him away.
I believe TN will take Ward at #2. I pray the Browns do not take Jador at #3.
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I would draft either Abdul Carter or Mason Graham if it were me. Graham fills a need.
Garrett/Hall Jr./Graham/(McGuire, Wright, and Okoronkwo)
That makes for a nice front four. I would rather bring back Otto Graham instead of trotting Watson back out there.
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i mostly agree with that, but that's why i said earlier that Watson is the X factor here. we still gotta wait around for the off-season to begin, nevermind the draft. if it's better to build around the QB, then i go with Travis hunter.
just giving you guys a heads up, my current mentality is that unless we draft a QB, our week 1 starter is gonna be Watson. Will he be ready to play in week 1? I think it is more like October. I could see the Browns placing him on some list to start the season to keep a roster spot open for someone else Who do we take? I don't know. There is still a long process before we have that figured out. Our draft position might change with this weeks games. Picking at #3 seems pretty certain, but who knows? Win and we could move down. Other teams win and we lose, we could move up. Once all of that plays out, the first part of the process is complete. I can see the argument that trading down a few slots makes sense.
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Cynical, but honest. I don't believe Watson is ready to play Week 1 or any week thereafter. I personally do not want to see him out there for any snaps at all. The QB room is a wreck. If this isn't to be a rebuild to appease MG, then it will demand a brutal triage; decisions will need to be made as to which patient-players can (and should) be saved. We will need to "buy" some of our cap space/picks/ draft capital. I think some have made a real case for "letting themselves go." Looking at injuries and what pigs we can take to market for some magic beans will be painful and needful. I think it needs to happen before the draft.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
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I don’t know who we will take in the draft at this time but I know I don’t want anything to do with Sanders the QB or his father. We don’t need any more drama or nonsense here. We’ve had enough of it to last another 10 years. Honestly I’m sure Deion will let the Browns know that he doesn’t want his son playing in Cleveland. That’s fine with me. 👍
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I would draft either Abdul Carter or Mason Graham if it were me. Graham fills a need.
Garrett/Hall Jr./Graham/(McGuire, Wright, and Okoronkwo)
That makes for a nice front four. I would rather bring back Otto Graham instead of trotting Watson back out there. I agree Even considering Graham would be 93 if he was still alive Glad he isn't around to witness this debacle
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We need a rebuild. Trade anyone who can bring in good draft capital, and move on. This team needs rebuilt.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Yet unless there is a drastic change in the FO that would mean allowing the same people who built the current team to do the rebuilding. Not a pleasant prospect to me.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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jc
would yall consider will howard with a 2nd rounder?
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