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After a season like 2020 it’s rather safe to say that the plans to replace Mayfield started after he got injured in a discussion between Stefanski and Berry.
Only these two have the authority to move such a radical plan forward.

This isn’t rocket science bone. It’s first in the next step when to finance a trade that Jimmy has to be involved.

Any other scenario is highly unlikely based on how bad Kevin treated Baker until the news becomes public.

Originally Posted by Floquinho

After a season like 2020 it’s rather safe to say that the plans to replace Mayfield started after he got injured in a discussion between Stefanski and Berry.
Only these two have the authority to move such a radical plan forward.

There. I fixed it for you.

Just an update after that azz whooping in BAL. Funny, every team in the division has won the division at least once in the last 5-years except for the Browns.

COACH_________TEAM___REG SEASON____PCT___#PLAYOFF__RECORD___PCT_TOT RECORD__PCT____DIV Titles
1. Harbaugh_____BAL______54-30_______.643_______4 (d)____2-3_____.400___56-33_____.629______2 (c)
2. Tomlin________PIT______50-32-1_____.608_______4 (d)____0-3_____.000___50-35-1____.587______1 (c) 18 straight years without a losing record
3. Taylor________CIN______43-38-1_____.531_______2_______5-2_____.714___48-40-1____.545______2 (b) (c) To Date: Only Super Bowl appearance for AFC North last 5-years
4. Stefanski_____CLE______40-44_______.476_______2_______1-2_____.333___41-46______.471______0 Neither the team nor Stefanski have ever won AFC North

(a) AFC North Crown to be decided this weekend.
(b) Cincy still alive for playoff berth.
(c) As of today, still eligible for the Super Bowl.
(d) 2025 playoff spot included since they have already clinched (Cincy to be determined this weekend).

The Browns have the only coach and GM with a losing record cumulative over the last 5 years within the division (AFC North). The Browns have had the highest team cash payout the last 2-years with 2025-26 looking like they'll be the highest again. Nothing better than holding on to your Head Coach and GM with a 5-year losing record, no Division titles, no conference championships, no Super Bowls (ever), and spending more money than any other NFL team at the "factory of Sadness"!

Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD"

Oh the Baker hate is still here… as Baker leads the bucs to another POST season playoff spot tomorrow, i’ll be wondering if people here figured out how stupid the Baker BS was now? To send a franchise QB most loved packing over a washed up diva WR’s daddy fussing on social media was the stupidest thing I’ve seen in my 52 years of being a fan.

I 100% believe that those clowns THOUGHT DeShone would lead them to the SB. THAT is the problem.

Kizer???

After 5 seasons bad luck and other excuses flies out of the window.
Our GM, HC, coordinators and players are what the results show us.

The Berry/Stefanski combo has won 40 and lost 44 games. 0.476%.
No division titles. Most money spent out of all NFL teams the last couple of seasons and in the beginning of 2025 the Browns are still without a decent FQB.


According to the latest news the Browns will fire Dorsey and a few other coaches. Maybe some FA players will not get a new contract.

That’s the only changes the Browns are going to do according to the latest news.

With the 2025 salary cap the maneuver space will be restricted and the Browns GM have no other sensible options then to adapt to these circumstances.

Results wise our floor/ceiling for 2025 is with a normal draft/FA window probably somewhere between 3-9 wins, anything outside this range would be disastrous/amazing.
Unfortunately we will not win the division title with these numbers.

The last 5 seasons results tells us that continuing with the same GM is a huge mistake.
Based on this seasons results it’s also fair to question if we have the right HC.

Finally I have to give credit to those who still support Andrew Berry.
There’s no facts that support that view but kudos to all of you who stay loyal to him.

Name one HC in the NFL that could have put up a winning record with the QB room Stefanksi had this season. And while you're at it, how many NFL HC's could have taken the Browns to the playoffs last year with that QB room? There's a difference between an excuse and a reason.

No HC coach could win with our QB room. Bill Belicheck, the alleged GOAT, can't win without Tom Brady. That says something.....

Getting rid of Baker and the trade to get Watson involving give away 3 first rounders and 3 third rounders is also part of Stefanski’s CV.

Last season results would have been impossible without Jim Schwartz. Our defense was the absolute bedrock of the 2023 results so maybe some of you should be a little bit cautious who we credit for that performances.

To question Kevin isn’t the same as ask for his resignation.

Should he go back to be a play caller is a legitimate question.
Should he part of finding our new QB is another legitimate question.
What’s his best role is a question I find interesting.

The team’s discipline isn’t the best.
Our winning mentality is another thing to worry about.

Maybe not so important but all his excuses after losses and word sallads about everything and nothing is not exactly charming.
Room for improvements if you ask me.

According to whom? You? There is zero evidence other than opinions that Stefanski played any role in the decision to let Baker go in favor of getting watson. This FO was courting watson while Baker was still here. Once Baker found out about it he was done here.


The defense was certainly better last season. But the Browns needed every win they got to make the playoffs. But revisionist history to try to claim the O didn't have a lot to do with it won't work here. Speaking of being a little cautious.....

The Browns scored 26 points against the Steelers on Sept. 18th
27 points against the titans on Titans on Sept. 24th.
39 points against the Colts on Oct. 22nd.
27 points against the cardinals on Nov. 5th.
33 points against the Ravens on Nov. 12th.
31 points against the Jags on Dec. 10th.
36 points against the Texans on Dec. 24th.
37 points against the Jets on Dec. 28th.

The Browns won 11 games in 20223. 8 of those games would have been wins with an average D.


So would that mean you are endorsing him to stay while having all of these question?


Seeing the results of this year when he didn't would be a strong indication.


Only to the degree that he request it be a QB that produces and plays well within a structured system. I still don't think some people have figured out that unless you're some storied NFL HC like BB or Reid, NFL HC's don't have that kind of say. They aren't the GM. They aren't the owner. They don't run the scouting department. It sounds great to say that the chef should be the one buying the ingredients but that's simply not the way it works. If your HC could make all of those calls there would be no use for a GM.


An NFL HC.


How would your mentality be with this QB room? How confident would you have been? You see, for some reason a switch was flipped from last season to this season. Yet Stefanski was the HC last year too. Now what was is it that changed? Dorsey was doing the play calling and Callahan went to coach with his son in Nashville. When things change it's usually smart to look at what changes were made that is the cause of it.


Obviously some people put a HC being good at public relations and public speaking as being on the priority list. BB says that's not a prerequisite.

Let’s agree to disagree.

I predict 5-7 wins next season and our best chances is probably our away games.

BOTH NEED TO GO!!!!

If I bought the Browns tomorrow, both Stefanski and Berry would be the first to go! Oh, and I would also build the new stadium downtown.

People are calling for Mike Tomlin to be fired... not shocked people want Stefanski gone.

I mostly agree but Bakers hands aren't clean in all of that. If he was spouting off in public, it had to be going on in private. I wasn't there to know what all was said, but somewhere the relationship became toxic and some sort of change had to happen.

We can debate over what decision was made, but it wasn't going to stay the same.

Then buy the team tomorrow. Don't talk about it, do it.

I believe the joke is that Watson has a worse QBR or something than Kizer (yes, THAT Deshone Kizer that got benched like 3 times by Hue).

There HAS to be at least one more big part to that saga that didn't get publicized. It was a bit of a head-scratcher to begin with, and has only gotten worse with time.

They are the same guy...hence the same spelling of their name.

Kizer wanted to drive the bus off a bridge.

It only had to do with the spelling (DeShone vs DeShaun)

I swear I remember seeing an article where Baker talked about a good sit-down that he had with Stefanski and how they were going to move forward and plan for next season, and then like a week or two later the trade rumors came out about Watson.

I don't remember anything more than "sources say they're on the same page". And Mayfield's exit meeting took place before the last game of the season since they had put him on injured reserve.

we would have been better off with Baker and a new HC and GM with all the picks Watson cost. i will die on that hill

I am behind all of that except the Nick bit. They need to give him next year, unless he thinks he is done.

is there a point to this stupid comment?

Yes. It's easy to play the "revisionist history" game you accused me of, this is just from one hour of Baker's last meaningful Browns game...



Although, I think I got as bigger chuckle out of this... associated head coach at UCLA now, right?

You're right that it appears to be the Friday before the last game. I found this article. It centers more on Berry than Stefanski, but it had this line:

"Mayfield, 26, had his season exit meeting with Stefanski this past Friday, and Stefanski said after Sunday's game Mayfield had left their gathering on a good note. Furthermore, a person familiar with the situation said Mayfield and Stefanski were on the same page during their discussion about moving ahead together and working out any issues that exist."

Here's the full article for anyone who's interested in rehashing our past, haha:


https://www.beaconjournal.com/story...ir-starting-quarterback-2022/9169242002/

One of several reasons I moved to discord on game days.

Makes it pretty obvious that it was someone other than Stefanksi that made the call to move on from Baker and that Stefanski had no idea at that time.

He actually got "dismissed" by UCLA already.