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Draft Hunter or Carter or best Tackle.

Maybe we should draft 2 QB’s and double our chances for success!!!!

Why not? Before I get into that let me explain the mixed message you just sent. First you said "It will Rees and KS who will make the draft selection. Berry will turn the ticket in." Then you said above which i put in bold they would be a " part of the process". Then right afterwords you state "giving the experience and resumes of both Rees and KS why would they not be the ones to select the college draft QB prospect?"

I think you may wish to make up your own mind as to whether they are a part of the process or if they themselves will actually be choosing the Browns next QB before we go a whole lot further.

But I will answer that last question. The Browns spend millions every year not only on its scouting department but on the analytics department as well. Each department plays a role in every player selection. What you are suggesting would indicate you think the Browns will somehow totally ignore that protocol and refuse to draw on any of those resources in the QB selection process. I find that to be a highly unlikely scenario.

However, your scenario that the process of all involved, scouting, analytics and Stefanksi have already come to the conclusion that Milroe should be the selection makes sense. Which would be a reasonable explanation of why they decided to make Rees the OC.

I highly doubt that the "evaluation process" will be led by Stefnaski and Rees. I'm sure the evaluation from the scouting department and the analytics department will be provided to them and they will give their input after the evaluation is completed by those departments.

Such evaluations take a total of thousands of hours combined by both the analytic and scouting departments in this process. Two men alone can not accomplish such a task by themselves. It would seem logical to conclude they will be given all the information accumulated by the departments that were actually hired and being paid to make such evaluations. It seems logical that their input will be taken seriously and be a part of the decision process. But as we've seen in the past, their input may carry a lot of weight or it may not. We'll just have to wait and see about that. But then in the end we'll probably never know for sure. It certainly wouldn't be the first tome that the GM/owner feel they know better if that turns out to be the case.

In what I think would be a perfect case scenario I hope you're right. There's just been nothing about the QB process since Haslam bought this team to make me feel confident that will happen.

There is no doubt that I certainly hope things work out exactly as you have described. I just understand that the NFL is a business first. For us it's a sport and most have a deep emotional attachment to it. With team owners it's a direct financial attachment. What worries me more than anything is what happens when or if the veteran they sign gets injured? Too often I've seen rookie QB's rushed onto the playing field. Whether by pressure from the fans when things aren't going well or due to injury. I'm sure you would agree you have seen the same thing many times.

Like I posted, I'm truly hoping your dream of "It will be different this time" plays out the way you say it should. But color me more than slightly skeptical based on what I've seen since Haslam bought this team. I'm going to have to see it first to believe it. Hopefully you understand my perspective on the topic.

Once again it appears we agree. I've always been an advocate for allowing the chef to pick his own groceries with which to make up the ingredients.. To be in charge of the entire menu from start to finish. With the proper information on how to move forward. As we have discussed I feel the scouting and analytics department should do an exhaustive evaluation process first and provide the chef with all of that information with which to make the most well informed decisions.

I actually think we're pretty much on the same page here.

Just throwing this out there. I've been reading that Jerry Jones is enthralled with the idea of hiring/drafting the "Sanders Circus" so what if we offer him the #2 pick for Dak Prescott plus him taking on Watson's contract?

I wouldn't be averse to that. I think we will go QB at the top of round 2. Either Milrow or Dart. Whoever we like best or is left. We then have two picks in round three, five, and three picks in round six. I could see using one of those or some combination to select another QB later in the draft.

We probably go in to camp with a vet like Cousins, then 2 drafted players and Zappe. I am done with Dorian. I don't want him showing up for anything. He has had his shot and he hasn't shown a dad gum thing. No need to waste our time or his time.

Berry needs to learn when to drop some of these guys. Heck, I think Nick Harris is still lingering around somewhere in the background.

I like the trade down option this year. I think both of the QB's at the top are a reach, but that is me. I think some of the players we can get there are more valuable, long term, then the QB's. Especially since I don't think there is that much, if any step down from the guys we can get in round 2.

I am past this idea of franchise QB. First, my idea of franchise QB might be different than most. To me those guys are the cream....maybe a few in the league at any one time. Every teams starting QB is a franchise QB. Some aren't any good, but they are franchise QB's.

It would be nice to have a HOF QB, but the reality is we don't get one, so we need a good QB. A top 15 guy. When was the last time we had that? Heck, maybe Bernie.

You can win against anybody if you can keep the chains moving. At this point, that is what I want. Somebody who can run the offense and keep chains moving. If you do that, you will score points

We try to force things. Make your own franchise QB. The Stefanski O is conducive to making better than average guys look pretty damn good.

Just a thought to give everyone a little heartburn..

What are the odds that we trade back up into the 1st round and take Milroe at #22?

I have an opinion about the entire "players will rise and players will fall" theory. As you stated, the combines, Senior Bowl and a lot of exposure is coming up. Especially at the combines with media everywhere.

What I think actually happens is before these events the media is kind of on their own as to where they think these players are ranked in the draft. After days of interviews and getting information from insiders they actually begin to know where NFL teams are ranking these players during the combine.

Now the media isn't going to say, "We didn't have a clue until we got all of this information at the combines." That would make them sound stupid. It sounds much better for them if they try to pass off that these players are just now rising and falling in the ranks of NFL teams. Sure the interviews play a part in some movement of player evaluations. But I don't think that's as wide spread as the media makes it out to be.

I think they are just starting to figure out how NFL teams really have these players ranked but don't want to admit that.

'Peen

Here are my thoughts on trading down:

As a general rule not a fan.
I feel teams win with stars

If we say the Qb position is equal:
Team A has half A level players and half C level players
Team B has all B level players
My personal opinion is that Team A wins 80% of those games


In this particular draft:
I feel there are two A+ players
Carter and Hunter (I would take as a full time Wr)
If both are available at #2 then I am okay trading down woith the NYG

I feel there are 3 more A players:
Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Ty Warren
I don't include Jeanty for 2 reasons
1 - we can get players almost as good in round 3-5
2 - he has a tendency to fumble - not just the PSU game


So I don't drop below where I can get one of these guys
But the conversation starts with a 1st next year and goes up from there
I am willing to trade down with a bad team (LV, NYJ) to get future 1sts
Hopefully we pull a Kyrie Irving like the Cavs did
Or like the Bears did with Caleb Williams
End up with the top pick when a star is available

At least he's not almost 30 already.

The problem is that the QB position isn't only not equal for us at this point, it's that it is abysmal.

The QB position is almost never equal.

Mahomes is playing on offense with a bunch of C players at this point.

I get what you are saying on a hypothetical level, but it just doesn't end up working that way in reality. Unfortunately, we tend to have QBs that seem to pull B level players down rather than QBs that pull C level players up.

If you think a Jalen Milroe (or whoever) has almost any possibility to be a Josh Allen like player, you almost have to take him at 2. The position just has too great an impact on everything else.

I love the idea of trading back, taking Warren, and adding draft capital. Waiting for a QB hasn't worked out for us, though, and there are other QB hungry teams. If you have the shot at someone you think could potentially reach that "superstar" level at QB, you almost have to take it as soon as you can.

Passing in hopes of taking him later only for someone else to take him and make it work is rather devastating.

Ultimately, it comes down to what they think these players could be.

Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar Jackson all had their doubters in the draft.

Well thought out and logical approach ; not something the Browns would impalement ..

If we trade down I would take Tetairoa McMillan, Arizona, WR 6'4", 210lb ahead of Hunter who I have read that he will be a problem if he cannot play both CB/WR

I believe that Jalen Milroe will blow up the combine. If Anthony Richardson blew up the combine Jalen Milroe will do the same thing. The difference is Jalen Milroe has production behind him that Richardson never had, Anthony Richardson was not a very successful college QB and Milroe was a bad snap away as a junior from taking his team to the National Championship game. I believe he will rise and be a 1st round pick when all is said and done.

In the right situation Milroe could be another Lamar Jackson and Jackson was a late 1st round pick. If Tommy Rees likes Milroe from his days working with him I think the Browns would trade back into the 1st round and take Milroe. I do not know about pick #22 but I do believe if they would pick a QB with the 1st pick in the 2nd round they would be better served making that pick end of 1st round for the 5th year option 1st round picks carry that 2nd round picks don't. That would provide more time to allow Milroe to sit and learn from a veteran.

I do not want the Browns taking Milroe with the 2nd pick. I would rather see the Browns trade back to pick 4 (Giants), pick 6 (Raiders), or pick 7 (Jets). Pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick. Then use the extra picks to get back into the 1st and draft Jalen Milroe.

Draft Ashton Jeanty at the top of the 1st and Jalen Milroe at the end of the 1st.

I think Jeanty is more likely to last past pick 7 than Milroe.

I'm guessing Jeanty's combine isn't as impressive as the hype. While their could be a bit of an RB renaissance after the years Henry, Barkley, and Gibbs had. I think WR contracts will still make teams lean that way over RB if they're looking for an offensive weapon. I think the RB class depth also pushes the first one down. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a speed guy like Henderson went earlier than expected, though.

I think if Milroe is who you want, you'll have to take him at 2. Someone will be willing to bet on the ceiling it seems to me.

If Milroe is their guy, best to take him at #2. I think he may be the Giants guy at #3.

Realizing now that I watched Milroe and the Bama / Michigan bowl game and boy did he look bad. I was rooting against Michigan and though I didn’t care much and don’t love Bama I was Like wow yhe Bama QB is bad. Lots of near int’s, poor pocket awareness, not so much passing as chucking. I’m not an expert and it was only one game but he frankly looked like the perfect Browns QB. Easily rattled, not careful with the ball, running into traffic… etc etc. but he’s an athlete! I wasn’t paying attention to names but he was not good at all.

For what it's worth.....

Jalen Milroe Projected Above Travis Hunter, Shedeur Sanders in Latest NFL Mock Draft

Even after a inconsistent season in 2024, former Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe is projected to jump some of the top prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft.

The former four-star recruit waited his turn behind future No. 1 overall pick Bryce Young in Tuscaloosa, Alabama before taking the starting role as a sophomore in 2023. Although he was benched by then-head coach Nick Saban early that season, Milroe responded in a big way.

Milore helped lead the Crimson Tide to an SEC championship and College Football Playoff berth that season while earning second-team All-SEC honors. The 6-foot-2, 225-pound passer threw for 2,834 yards with 23 touchdowns to six interceptions and added another 531 yards with 12 scores on the ground.

Although Alabama ultimately failed to reach the national championship, it seemed like Milroe was ready to flourish in 2024 under first-year head coach Kalen DeBoer. However, Milroe didn't find his groove as a junior and the Crimson Tide went on to finish at 8-5, the worst season for the program since 2007.

Milroe's production as a passer took a step back with five more interceptions (11) than his campaign in 2023. He threw for 2,844 yards and 16 touchdowns on the season. But his efforts as a ball carrier were substantial as Milroe set an Alabama record with 20 rushing touchdowns.
Milroe's season is likely a reflection of his game at this point in his young career. He may not be a polished passer just yet, but his athleticism is arguably the best at the position among NFL prospects.

The Katy, Texas native has drawn largely mid-round projections to this point, though CBS Sports' latest mock draft from Chris Trapasso paints an entirely different picture.

Trapasso projects Milroe to land at No. 2 overall to the Cleveland Browns, putting him above Colorado superstars Travis Hunter and Shedeur Sanders.

The Browns are expected to be without $230 million quarterback Deshaun Watson next season. The former first-round pick has re-injured his Achilles tendon after missing the majority of the year.

"I know this feels way too early for Jalen Milroe, but we've had bigger surprises with quarterbacks going higher than expected in the past, and Milroe is destined to erupt at the NFL Scouting Combine," Trapasso wrote. "This is all about the long-term upside with the former Alabama passer, and a cheaper bridge quarterback can be signed in the interim."

Milroe would be the second quarterback taken in this scenario behind former Miami Heisman Trophy finalist Cam Ward, who is the subject of a mock trade between the New York Giants and the Tennessee Titans.

While Sanders, too, is considered to be in the running for the No. 1 spot, he slides to the Las Vegas Raiders at No. 6 overall.

And Heisman Trophy winner Travis Hunter is projected to land at No. 4 overall to the New England Patriots. The wide receiver/cornerback is one spot behind LSU offensive tackle Will Campbell Jr. (Titans).

While it may be a stretch for Milroe to find himself among the top five picks, the scenario could prove to be true if the elite athlete can put together an impressive pre-draft process. That includes the Reese's Senior Bowl, combine and the Alabama Pro Day.

The 2025 NFL Draft will take place from April 24-26 in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

https://athlonsports.com/college/al...r-sanders-colorado-latest-nfl-mock-draft

If Milroe looks that good pre-draft he might wind up #1 to the Titans. Then we can take Abdul Carter or trade down.

I'm opened minded to any ideas for drafting and solutions to our problems. There are more than a few ways we can go. I have my ideas as we all do. There's a long way to go until draft day with more info to be accumulated. Right now I think Abdul Carter is our safest and best option at #2 but if Milroe looks really good that could change. Time will tell.