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To bolster you post not only were there questions about Allen's game, there were also huge question marks at the time concerning the strength of the opponents he faced due to the fact he went to Wyoming. He faced much weaker teams and a much weaker opponent level due to their schedule than someone like Milroe has. I mean the Mountain West Conference isn't known for all of the top 10 teams in their conference.

One important thing I take away from the Senior bowl is an indicator of how quickly a player takes to coaching. Most of the O and D they play are pretty basic concepts I know. But they are not the same systems or coaches they have been playing with in college. They have a very limited timetable to adapt to their Senior Bowl coaches and the play calling for the game. If they can adapt to that quickly and look good in game where there was little time to prepare I take that as a very good indicator in regards to how quickly they can process new information. I'm certainly not an expert on this but for me it helps me consider just how quickly they may be able to adapt to the pro game.

In Lamar Jackson's last college bowl game, he was 13/31 passing with 4 INTs.

Bowl games are often weird.

Here is the thing with Lamar.

He was an atypical Qb prospect
He probably would have failed with "26" other teams
Why did he succeed in Baltimore?

Baltimore redesigned their offense around Lamar
Taking advantage of his assets and skills minimizing his weaknesses
The majority of teams would have tried to make him fit their offense

If we draft Milroe, which do you think the browns will do?

I think Stefanski's offense fits his skill set better than people give credit. Just because KS has had success with less mobile QBs doesn't mean it isn't setup in a way that could benefit from QB mobility.

We'd adjust some things to accentuate his strengths, but I don't think the framework would need to change. Plus, I think the Rees and Bloomgren hires imply we're already sort of adjusting in a direction that would only fit Milroe more.

It could fit other guys, too, though.

I also think what a "typical" QB prospect looks like has changed since Lamar. We've got a fair bit of Philly influence and I could see Milroe being seen as their Hurts.

I get it. And I’m not an expert but it would seem to me the most important thing, the thing that separates a Jayden from a Bryce, a Lamar from a Deshaun, a Mahomes from a Winston is rapid visual information processing, reaction speed and high confidence in it. Having a huge arm or great legs or a great work ethic is secondary in the grand scheme if they can’t read defenses quickly, anticipate and exploit boldly. I’m not saying this kid doesn’t have it and frankly I have no idea if that’s coachable but I work in a neuroscience field and I understand a bit about neuro plasticity and visual processing speed is stubbornly difficult to improve for most people. Some people do and young athletes have some advantages in improvement potential that most of us don’t but I suspect the good ones look more natural that way out of the box most of the time. They’re not consistently throwing behind receivers, missing coverages and open opportunities, too quickly second guessing the pocket and bolting the wrong way, that kind of thing. Not consistently anyway.

Everyone has a bad day where they look lost and I haven’t watched any sort sample size but he didn’t have it at all that day.

Milroe was terrible against a bad Oklahoma team as well. The Michigan game was not an outlier.

Like Michigan, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt and Tennessee all took away Milroe's ability to run and they all resulted in a team loss.

To me, Milroe is a luxury pick for a team that already has a QB and can stash him on the bench for years. A QB starved team that thinks he can come and turn things around and start right away? Oof.

I have my doubts the Stefanski/Berry duo will be afforded the luxury of time to see if Milroe works out someday in the future. That's one of the reasons, among others, I do not see Milroe as a serious option for the Browns.

Milroe is the Walmart brand Anthony Richardson.

I don't think the Vanderbilt game fits with the bowl game at all. He completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards and led the offense to 35 points. He did have a pick, but it was on an anticipatory throw to a comeback where the receiver tripped coming out of his break resulting in a deflection that took a bad bounce straight to a defender. His ability to bounce back after the fluky pick early is actually a positive to me.

It's not on Milroe that the D gave up 40.

Oklahoma's offense was bad. I don't think I've ever seen a bad Venables' D. Do need to watch that game and Tennessee more closely.

I think NIL/the transfer portal was a big factor. Alabama had a pretty big exodus when Saban retired (and another before the bowl game.) His top targets went to Texas/the NFL. Throw in a new system that probably didn't emphasize his strengths as much as it could have, and his numbers weren't as good as the year before. I think it might actually have been good for him in the long run, though.

Again, this is not a ringing endorsement of Milroe. I just think the context requires a bit more parsing.

This sounds like trying to over-complicate who Milroe is as a player, which is a long term project for a team that has that luxury of time and a competent QB for the near future. I see a Walmart brand Anthony Richardson. Ryan Williams is probably thrilled Milroe declared and Keelon Russell will be the QB next year.

Bull, we were apart on Cam Ward and now Milroe.

Omarion Hampton or Wyatt Milum at the top of round two?

Jalen Milroe is a far superior player than Anthony Richardson. Richardson did not have great games in college. He was an ineffective college QB. Milroe had quite a bit of success in college, Some really huge games. In 2023 under Rees as O Coordinator he had Bama a bad snap away from beating Michigan and in the National Championship game. That Junior year he had 23 TD to 6 INT's. with 2,800+ yards passing. In 2024 he had 16 TD's to 11 int's with again 2,800+ pass yards. But let's not forget Bama also had 39 players transfer out after Nick Saban retired and Milroe had to learn a completely new offensive system with a new head coach, new offensive coordinator, and new receivers. That is quite the change.

Milroe was also the Crimson Tide's leading rusher and had 20 TDs on the ground.

That's one way to try to fix red zone woes.

A QB who can run can also make it easier to pass as zone defenders have to honor his legs which can open up windows.

I think Ward is the better college "QB." I think Milroe translates better to the NFL.

Milroe's legs can make it work while the rest grows. I think Ward faces a lot of the same early struggles as Caleb Williams, and I'm not sure he's as physically talented to make taking the risk anyways worth it. I think Milroe helps the running game more which is the quickest path to our team as currently constructed being competitive. Our OL isn't built for hero ball, sand lot plays. Much better at getting going one direction and hitting people which you can do more on designed rollouts where you're "protecting" horizontally instead of dropping back.

Definitely some projection, but, personally, it feels easier to project traits than it does projecting whirling dervish extended plays against guys that likely won't be NFL starters on the opposing DLs. A desperation heave that bounces off/through a defender's hands directly to his receiver isn't a great throw to me. Maybe what Ward does will still work in the Pros, but I have my doubts. He's kind of Johnny Manziel without the character/lifestyle issues to me. It was amazing to watch in college, but helter skelter on the field doesn't work as well in the league when you're not a physical freak show.

I've mostly focused on QB and the top of the draft. Milum didn't do much for me on first glance, but I didn't really watch much. Haven't looked at Hampton.

We will run Stefasnskis O as long as he is the coach. We tried to do something different this year, and saw the results. Stefanski won't do that again.

The thing about Milroe is he is a pocket passer. No doubt he can take off and run but the Bama O wasn't especially designed for Milroe.

if you take Milroe, you need a bridge QB. I don’t see any that are overly appealing to me. No way I would want Milroe at 2 overall. Jmho.

I’ve been pondering if we should take Ashton Jeunty. Not that I’m giving up on Chubb. Take Jeunty, an OT in the second and sign Cousins. I’m not overly excited about cousins, but don’t want to reach on a QB in the draft. You should be able to trade down and get Jeunty.

I may be overly influenced by my annoyance with Ward's first TD in the Duke game. It was a bad throw that randomly bounced the right way. You'd never know that from the commentary. I should probably mute the sound when watching cutups to avoid being influenced by that, but it can also help with context. I also think I'm influenced by the narratives. To me, one seems overly positive while one seems overly negative. I have a tendency to pushback when I feel like things are getting carried away.

Ward does have some great throws. He also has some wow did his brain completely shutdown under pressure throws. Definitely more of the former. But he also wasn't under immediate pressure all that much, which I feel would happen a lot more often with his play style behind our OL.

Probably due to being a Browns fan for too long, not committing the boneheaded avoidable mistake is pretty high on my list at potential QB. The fade away crossbody throw into traffic isn't something I want to see from a guy that has been a starting QB for 5 years in college.

Miami straight up out talented their opponents pretty much every game, particularly their OL vs DLs. Alabama somewhat surprisingly didn't. Bama gave up lots of quick penetration. The SEC was pretty loaded with pass rushers. Ward could have taken naps in the pocket during a lot of plays if he wanted to. I can't help but wonder what they'd have looked like in the other's situation.

How big a factor was environment in their respective results? While end results are ultimately what you want to see, the process to get there is a pretty important part of the evaluation to me. Is an inaccurate throw that gets caught better than a perfect pass that gets dropped? Is the WR tripping on the QB? Is the OL whiffing on a block?

A guy can only control what he can control. To me, more of Ward's bad results were things that were in his control.

Milroe will blow up the combine,his athletic measurables are astronomical.The analytics boys will cream their jeans.In fact,Pauli D will be so enamored he'll not only draft him at 2,but also use the 2nd round pick on him,just to be sure.The fact that he sucks as a QB won't matter.

Come on man. You know that BC's record of drafting QB's as an NFL GM has been second to none.

Actually,my record of picking QBs is downright pathetic.But then noone is paying me to do it.
The Browns are going to draft him.With that new stadium in the works Haslam has to manufacture some interest in the team.No position player can do that.It is what it is.

Us finally getting an elite QB would be great Honestly, I would settle for a good one. One that is good enough. IMO there are only about 5-6 elite QBs in the league. There are some good to very good ones that can win a Super Bowl with the right personnel around them.

You have no more of a clue who the Browns will be drafting than I do.

I bet you're a real blast at parties.
of coarse I don't know,but I have my thoughts and opinions.It's a new day im America I again feel free enough to post them.

Opinions are great. It seems you must have missed that you've always been able to post your opinions. Nothing about today changes that. But when a statement presented as a fact is not an opinion. You may want to check into that. You based that statement as a fact based on this.....


Now before you carry on, let me fill you in on what the reality of the situation is. Even if the new stadium is built according to schedule, it wouldn't be competed until and ready until the 2029 season. There is zero reason for Haslam to hurry in regards to a having a new QB this coming season or even the following season to work in conjunction with the new stadium.

Now if you believe that QB is the most pressing need for this team and that it's more likely than not the Browns will draft a QB that makes sense.

At my age the parties I attend are with mature people that think things through before they speak. I get along fine in that kind of crowd.

Thank-you for that info,I guess I don't pay that much attention anymore.
But,'29 isn't that far off.I would hope that the thinking is they won't be drafting this high again.Now would be the time to strike.

That's why I think it's more likely than not they will address it in this draft just like you do. I mean the Browns made the playoffs last year being forced into using four QB's. The odds they only win three or four games in a season again over the next couple of seasons doesn't sound good to me.

Well, that may happen but if it does again the Browns probably will be without Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski. I think their job this year is who is the right bridge QB. Someone this team can win with this year and who is the QB of the future, and can they get him this season since they are picking #2 overall.

If you were going to draft Milroe in the 2nd then you would trade up to get back into the 1st round to draft Milroe to get the 5th year option.

I don't know. I think Milroe is more advanced as a QB than Carter is as an edge defender. Most college tackles just aren't that good. Carter does have plus physical talent, but his technical skills have a ways to go. Probably starts as a designated pass rusher rather than an every down player. I suppose Parsons was pretty similar coming out, probably a bit further along but he progressed really quickly. I'd have more faith in Cesaire doing similar than I did in a lot of our previous DL coaches. I know Parsons is the natural thought for outcome, but I'm not sure if it will work out quite so well or not. I'm not sure if Carter is as physically gifted or not and need to dig into the between the ears part. Kind of hate that about Penn State. Great athletes but coaching at a lot of positions seems frequently subpar on the technical stuff. I've seen some red flags floating around in off the field stuff to check into.

I kind of feel like Milroe's problems are somewhat similar to the Browns' last year. Trying to get a bunch of new players all on the same page in a new offense that didn't necessarily fit all of the players from the previous regime didn't go smoothly. I think his struggles were more chemistry than technical proficiency. Both with his OL and how best to protect him and being on the same page with his receivers. Ryan Williams is very talented, he was still a true freshman. Deep balls he could do, more technical stuff, back shoulder timing, etc not quite as well. I want to see how Milroe looks at the Senior Bowl and combine. I'm guessing he climbs. I'm just hoping not to first overall. As much as I'm not sure of him, I like the other QB options less.

I'd probably go Hunter over Carter if we went non-QB. He can play every down on D, though I might actually want him on offense. I think his ceiling is higher on that side than many think. I'm not sure Carter's there yet. Got to get them to third and long before he's at his optimal usage currently. I don't want to see him trying to stop Derrick Henry as is. Pittsburgh is pretty run heavy, too. I worry he might be somewhat one dimensional and possibly taken advantage of outside of that. I kind of prefer the idea of more of a power end opposite Myles. Hopefully McGuire keeps ascending.

Take all that with a grain of salt. Just what I'm thinking currently. I should probably dig into Carter more. Mostly saw him when watching all his reps (pass only possibly?) vs Oregon's LT. Came away liking Conerly. Not that Carter was bad, could definitely see the speed.