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It was always going to happen. Trump is Only about loyalty and fealty Trump.

If anyone thinks Trump is going to show any restraint or respect norms etc. you're going to be sadly disappointed. He's a despicable human being and i expect him to act just like a spoiled King through out his 2nd reign

I love his quote in this headline:

President Trump Will Pardon 1,500 Jan 6 Political Prisoners and Commute Sentences of 6 Tonight—Tells Reporter Who Questioned His Actions “Go stand over there with your friends”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/breaking-president-trump-will-pardon-1500-jan-6/

Why? And holy moly I read that article. “The avoidable murder of Ashli Babbitt…”

Jeez dude…

I feel any conservative who utters the phrase 'law and order' in the future should be mocked relentlessly.

It’s like severance. They’ll go right back to it with no real perspective. I had a convo with a MAGA relative asking how he would feel pardoning all of them if they were Antifa or blue haired progressives doing THE EXACT same thing and he just avoided and dodged and then ultimately lied and said he’d be good pardoning them all. I Locked eyes with him and we both knew he was lying for the convenience of his argument but I’m pretty sure he successfully banished the thought the second the convo ended. The sheer number of people who live like the show severance, just utterly unable and unwilling to try to flex their perspective always amazes and disappoints me.

Scott Jennings and Van Jones had a back and forth on the topic last night. Scott Jennings brought up the point that he thought their lives had been ruined enough.

Van countered that by saying there were still red lines and that actions should have consequences. He brought up how he was the son of a police officer and this involved police officers who were attacked, experienced violence, and one of whom died as a result. Scott did agree with him that he did not condone that and stayed silent in the notion that people who initiate an attack on law enforcement should not be pardoned.

I’d like to hear from the other side what their thoughts are. So far, FATE is the only one who seems to engage substantively on these matters, though, which I appreciate.

I imagine that if I had flipped the script with any member of my family in such a manner, that the same exact thing would happen.

Aha, that would be what I was missing.

We all know what this is. It's a reward. Just remember how Republicans on this board claimed the "stand back and stand by" meant nothing? Some of us, myself included said the problem with that is that groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud boys got that message no matter what they claimed. And they did.

They waited until trump told them ever since the election that it was stolen and he was the rightful president. That the country was being stolen from them and on Jan. 6th told them that "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". This just before he told them to march to the Capital building.

They listened and followed those instructions. This was their reward.

Murica! Freedumb!

Unfortunately, Biden kinda opened up this can of worms with his pardoning of his family (and Hunter in particular). Hunter was convicted in a legit trial and was set to get off easy, and then Biden swooped in exactly like he said he wouldn't. Even echoed Trump's line about the DoJ being weaponized.


Trying to argue how Trump's pardons aren't ok with people that voted for the guy/side that attempted a coup is a fool's errand, especially with Biden conveniently muddying the waters. The argument requires a level of critical thinking that we decided we don't have time for.

Biden’s pardons were in no doubt infuriatingly stupid, at best.

That being said, I just cannot wrap my head around the justification for blanket J6 pardons/dismissals/commutations, no matter what Biden did. Two wrongs to me certainly don’t make a right.

That being said, I did want to open the floor. Clearly I missed something along the way, with how the election went so I want to see how my logic is off, if it is off.

I thought about something else more, too. Something really happened between ‘22 and ‘24 that must have made the majority of the impact. The “red wave” that was supposed to happen in ‘22 was, by all objective accounts, very underwhelming, to say the least. At that point, inflation had already set in, so the expectation was that economic hardships experienced would have resulted in seat changes.

However, the change from the ‘22 results to the ‘24 results was quite staggering. When did Musk buy Twitter again?

I think that's very much a false equivalency.

IMO... what happened was establishment Democrats decided to ignore the voters and instead to "inform" them that everything was good and on the upswing. In hindsight, large portions of their campaign were incredibly tone-deaf, and then the pivot from Biden to Harris just cemented the message that they weren't listening.

That was a big crash for sure, in terms of the POTUS campaign. Two major bungles for them in 8 years. But that doesn’t really explain the down-ballot. Perhaps it just came to the tone-deafness that you mentioned.

Doesn’t seem like they’re ready to fix that either. Sadly, I feel a guy like Tim Ryan would do well on the National stage, but we can’t seem to pull our heads from our butts in our own state.

I give this post a 5 star rating.

MAGA radical calls me a mean bot… boohoo. Smh, grow a brain.

Like a flood of traitorous domestic terrorists just got unleashed on America. The whole damn MAGA movement is a terrorist movement. Chaos and fear is all they have… well they have the uneducated too.

Ruined enough? I wonder how the cops dealing with the PTSD from J6 feel about that? Or the families of the cops that were beaten or died in the aftermath. POS traitors should have all swung on J7.

Welp, by some measure of serendipity, a very large local defense contractor just reached out to me this morning asking if I’d be interested in applying for a position that would be a 33ish% raise + bonus.

A couple months ago, I would have trashed it. Now I am seriously considering it.

Oh, you like dirtbag thuggery? Maybe we need some of that in here for y’all.

Musk bought Twitter April 14, 2022

I'm seriously wondering who at this point could blame you? It appears they know what's coming and are recruiting the best people since they understand those such as yourself know what's coming too. The best of luck coming to the right decision for yourself as well as your family. I wish you well in the future of your career no matter where that takes you.

Thanks man. I sincerely appreciate that.

Make the move bro, Trump is definitely going to trash a bunch of civil servants. Who knows if your job will be a target. Take the preemptive option and be safe.

If you are taking votes, I vote you take the new job.
But really, the only vote that matters is your wife's

I'm good with this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-special-missions-envoy-grenell-231739985.html

Trump says will likely stop buying oil from Venezuela
By Andrea Shalal and Jeff Mason

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that his administration would likely stop buying oil from Venezuela and was looking "very strongly" at the South American country.

"It was a great country 20 years ago, and now it's a mess," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office hours after his inauguration. "We don't have to buy their oil. We have plenty of oil for ourselves."

Trump's envoy for special missions, Richard Grenell, had earlier said he spoke with multiple officials in Venezuela and would begin meetings early Tuesday, days after the outgoing Biden administration imposed new sanctions on the government of President Nicolas Maduro.

"Diplomacy is back," Grenell said in a post on X disclosing his initial calls. "Talking is a tactic."

Grenell, who served as acting intelligence chief at the end of Trump's first term, also planned to meet with Venezuelan opposition officials in Washington on Tuesday, a source familiar with the matter said.

No comment was immediately available from the Venezuelan communications ministry on Trump's comments or the outreach from Grenell.

Venezuela's oil exports to the U.S. soared 64% to some 222,000 bpd last year, making it its second-largest export market behind China, which took 351,000 bpd, down 18% compared to the prior year.

Since 2019, Venezuela's oil industry has been under U.S. sanctions designed to curb its oil income.

However, Chevron has been allowed since 2022 to ship Venezuelan oil to the U.S. to recoup unpaid dividends from joint venture partners.

'A NEW START'

During his campaign, Trump called Maduro "a dictator" after he pursued a "maximum pressure" campaign against him during his first term from 2017 to 2021, including imposing harsh sanctions on the South American country and its oil industry.

Former President Joe Biden briefly rolled back some of the Trump-era restrictions following electoral promises from Maduro but then reinstated them, saying the Venezuelan leader had reneged on pledges for a fair democratic vote.

Maduro and his government have always rejected sanctions by the United States and others, saying they are illegitimate measures that amount to an "economic war" designed to cripple Venezuela.

Maduro and his allies have cheered what they say is the country's resilience despite the measures, though they have historically blamed some economic hardships and shortages on sanctions.

Maduro has said Trump's re-election offers "a new start" for bilateral relations.

One of Trump's central campaign promises was the mass deportation of undocumented migrants, many of whom come from Venezuela. Sending them back likely would require cooperation from Venezuelan authorities.

In his announcement about Grenell's nomination, Trump said he would work in hotspots around the world, including Venezuela and North Korea.Grenell served as Trump's ambassador to Germany, a special presidential envoy for Serbia and Kosovo peace negotiations, and as acting director of national intelligence during Trump's 2017-2021 term.

Grenell has had previous interactions with Maduro associates.

Reuters reported that in 2020 Grenell secretly met with a Maduro representative to try to work out the Venezuelan leader's peaceful exit from power after his 2018 re-election was considered a sham by most Western countries, but no agreement was reached.

Will that help the price of eggs and gas? /purple

I bet it will drive demand for Russian oil, though.

Yep. And Trump would be the first to suck that pipeline.

I don't follow, how would this do anything but reduce demand for Russian oil?

I never knew you were a blonde… that explains everything.

Our demand for oil isn't going anywhere. If we're not going to buy from Venezuela, then we have to get that from someone else. Our imports from Venezuela jumped shortly after Russia's invasion, and I'm assuming that was due to us not buying as much from Russia (our consumption of Russian oil has gone down sharply in the same timeframe.

I think folks who were charged with misdemeanors should be pardoned. Folks who walked thru an open door and walked thru the building , sometimes accompanied by capital police officers, should be pardoned. Anyone who vandalized property deserve more time, but only what anyone would typically get for vandalism. Then pardoned.

Now for those who engaged in violence against police officers , assaulted cops, deserve more , but again whatever is typically given to anyone who assaults a cop. In fact here is a guideline. Those convicted of assault of a policeman should receive the same sentence as the hundreds of people who assaulted cops in the summer of 2020. Comparable sentences. That’s fair.

I think the whole idiocy of “insurrection “ has gone to the same graveyard as “Russia, Russia Russia! And well deserved.

I think it might go the opposite direction. If we turn away from Venezuelan oil and use our own, that would increase their supply and drop pricing, opening the door for China to consume more and leverage that discount against Russia, who they are already squeezing in the market because Russia lost its European and US markets.

That's at least how I built it up in my head. Does that make sense?

I should have read this before I posted the one above. I see what you are saying now. I think it depends on where we source the alternative oil from, whether that's internal or external.

Thanks Keith. I respect your opinion.

Here's the difference, IMO. If you assault a cop, then yes, you deserve a long time. I think that should be the case no matter where it takes place. The difference here is that you have Assault a police officer + disrupt Congress' Constitutional function + endangerment of Congressional officials + trespass + destruction of property etc etc etc. And, to throw on that, you have people actively master-minding far more than that. I'm talking about Tarrio and Rhodes. That's a seditious conspiracy conviction (22 years) he received in a court of law, commuted.

I don't really care what a person identifies as politically. If you do ish like that, you gotta do the time.

I would ask, and be honest, if the shoe was on the other foot and this was Antifa who disrupted the vote count and Harris gave them and their leader - pardons and/or commutations, how would you feel?

That's exactly what I was thinking. Especially now that Trump can start fulfilling his promise to drill. We currently ban buying oil from Russia. I highly doubt Trump will stop buying from Venezuela so we can buy from Russia instead. I should have checked with OCD before posting this though, he's waaay smarter than all of us, maybe he has an explanation that doesn't involve my hair color?

Agree 100% Anyone that committed violent acts should do the time -- all of the time. Acts of vandalism, I'm more in line with what Keith described.

j/c...

this one goes into a bit more detail:


Trump announces up to $500 billion in private sector AI infrastructure investment

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-announces-private-sector-ai-infrastructure-investment/

Which leads me to this comment bro: Remember Foxconn?


This all sounds good, but you gotta understand my hesitation since a ton of tech layoffs the last few years were due to the rise of AI. So it seems far fetched that investing into private companies that specialize in AI - the same companies that laid people off - are somehow gonna retain a permanent 100k jobs.