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There was plenty of talk of them freezing in their tents and RVs this morning. Not sure what exactly you mean by winter storms though, have you seen New Orleans over the past few days? Crazy.


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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.


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MS bill to offer bounty hunters $1k for ‘illegal aliens’

MEMPHIS, Tenn. — A bill that would allow certified bounty hunters to assist in identifying and reporting undocumented immigrants was introduced in the Mississippi House of Representatives Wednesday.

House Bill 1484, proposed by the Desoto County District Attorney and authored by state Rep. Justin Keen, would create the Mississippi Illegal Alien Certified Bounty Hunter Program.

The program would offer a $1,000 reward to registered bounty hunters for each successful deportation they help facilitate.

https://wreg.com/news/mid-south/ms-bill-to-offer-bounty-hunters-1k-for-illegal-aliens/

We all know a bounty hunter can identify who is here illegally just be looking at them.



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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.

Ahhh... all these people are making this stuff up... still living in tents for the optics. I'm afraid the bulk of that money is still "north of Richmond", my friend. Or maybe they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need because they're still looking for Trump signs in their yards?


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What happened with prescription drug prices? I'm in the dark on that one.

Trump rescinded Biden's EA to lower prescription drug costs.


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Asterisk for sure. Quotes preferred, but if that's not an option, definitely an asterisk. wink

I do have to say, I live in a new build neighborhood. People across the street moved from Asheville, quite serendipitously. They said it's a freaking mess and don't think it'll ever be the same. I haven't been there since pre-COVID 2020, so I'm going off their words, not mine. They also mentinoed that there is a growing discontent down there with both sides of the aisle. I'm talking LIVID at both. Felt like political pawns. I don't know if that's still the case or not.

As far as the substance, if Trump can route them aid and get them recovery, I'm all for it. Like I said before, if it's good for the country, it's good for the country. I don't know if you recall, but back in 2017, OCD started a thread that said "Credit Given Where It's Due" (or something like that). I think there are good things Trump does. The bad things he does (2020 election drama being the gravity core of it all) sure do get me vocal, but good things are good things.

The problem with Trump throughout the course of his administration and politics is that there's always another shoe to drop. For every time he seems to go something good, there always seems to be something else that makes me go "WTF is wrong with this guy!?" Coincidentally, that's how I regard Elon, although I think Oober is right that he is really sliding down the slippery slope of a Caligula wannabe.

Anyhow, in this case, I think it's great to send aid and get people whose areas are devastated help, with no strings attached.

However, he also had this to say about California:

"He replied that he wants to see “two things” in California before he would support federal disaster relief funding for the Golden State.

“I want to see two things in Los Angeles: Voter ID so that the people have a chance to vote. And I want to see the water be released and come down into Los Angeles and throughout the state. Those are the two things. After that, I will be the greatest president that California ever has ever seen,” he said."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-demands-california-voter-id-163755090.html

So, in one instance, he is removing red tape, which is outstanding, and in the other instance, he's playing a tit for tat game of political extortion, presumably because it's a state where he has a beef with the Governor and he never wins their vote.

To be honest with you, and this isn't even about Trump anymore, why the hell do we have to let politics permeate just about every aspect of our life. If I see someone on the side of the road, I'm not going to ask him who he voted for before I help him (unless he's a Steelers/Ravens fan). That's the place where we are. Outside of a few politicians in office, like Fetterman and a few others, you see just awful, awful polarization.


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The "re-f'ed drug prices" falls into the fake news category, imo.

Should we ignore the immigration situation because of food prices? 10 million entered the country illegally, many are criminals, both you and DL just cosigned on removing criminals. In order to find the criminals, you may make other people (who are here illegally as well, a fact that's always conveniently ignored) uncomfortable and want to lay low. That's why they're not picking oranges.

NOW, I'll be the first to point out the particular situation in that article was a bad flex and I hope we learned our lesson. Beyond that, there will be casualties in this war, and it's a necessary war. I'm being entirely earnest in my opinion that the first fingers pointed should be at the Biden admin for creating the catastrophe, not Trump for having to clean it up.

He rescinded Biden's EA that was lowering prescription drug prices. Any price cuts current and/or future (and I'll be more honest and say I didn't realize most of those were future cuts and hadn't been put into effect). His (Trump's) EA is news, but not fake. I'll also say that I'd probably have a little more hope/confidence if he'd been able to communicate something substantive regarding his plans for healthcare.

I'm not against deporting people that aren't supposed to be here.... I guess I just find it interesting that a big part of his campaign was that Biden/Harris were out of touch and were making things worse for normal folks, and his first actions include stuff like this, renaming the Gulf of Mexico... and nothing that's going to help people's wallets.


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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.

Ahhh... all these people are making this stuff up... still living in tents for the optics. I'm afraid the bulk of that money is still "north of Richmond", my friend. Or maybe they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need because they're still looking for Trump signs in their yards?

I will say, coming from someone who knows all too well the frustration of getting money authorized by Congress, then appropriated, and then routed to agencies to negotiate and spend the money on supplies/services, it's entirely plausible that they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need.

I can't say for sure whether this is the case or not, but disaster brings out the best in people, and also the worst. Really, really, really awful things happen when people know Uncle Sam has money that needs to be spent in a certain area. That transcends politicians, too, and goes right into greed of people and businesses who have no qualms about taking advantage. It's horribly sad.

Add to that, our acquisition process, even for contingency operations, gives us so many arbitrary boxes we have to check before we move forward. Like with Defense acquisition, it's one of those things that everyone cries foul about, but nobody - and I mean both sides of the aisle - wants to change it, because somehow it benefits them or their campaign.

What's worse is how easily it's hidden under the surface. I would guarantee 90% of the voting populace has never read the FAR or any of its supplements. So many things are just sitting in there that blatantly make you go "That doesn't seem right..."


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That is a good point. He's definitely focused on areas that capture headlines, like the pardons (awful), immigration (seems to be more good than bad so far), and NC (also seems to be good). He also had the Greenland, Panama, Gulf of Mexico, and federal employee EOs which were just nonsense. But, I think his biggest promise to fulfill is trying to make lives better for the average person. That means economy, healthcare, etc. It's early, obviously, but even throughout his campaign up through now, I have no idea what - if anything - he has in mind to accomplish that.


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The "re-f'ed drug prices" falls into the fake news category, imo.

Should we ignore the immigration situation because of food prices? 10 million entered the country illegally, many are criminals, both you and DL just cosigned on removing criminals. In order to find the criminals, you may make other people (who are here illegally as well, a fact that's always conveniently ignored) uncomfortable and want to lay low. That's why they're not picking oranges.

NOW, I'll be the first to point out the particular situation in that article was a bad flex and I hope we learned our lesson. Beyond that, there will be casualties in this war, and it's a necessary war. I'm being entirely earnest in my opinion that the first fingers pointed should be at the Biden admin for creating the catastrophe, not Trump for having to clean it up.

He rescinded Biden's EA that was lowering prescription drug prices. Any price cuts current and/or future (and I'll be more honest and say I didn't realize most of those were future cuts and hadn't been put into effect). His (Trump's) EA is news, but not fake. I'll also say that I'd probably have a little more hope/confidence if he'd been able to communicate something substantive regarding his plans for healthcare.

I'm not against deporting people that aren't supposed to be here.... I guess I just find it interesting that a big part of his campaign was that Biden/Harris were out of touch and were making things worse for normal folks, and his first actions include stuff like this, renaming the Gulf of Mexico... and nothing that's going to help people's wallets.


I'll agree that it's hard to judge when no alternative has been put forth. I just think "re-f'ed drug prices" is disingenuous. I think we both can agree that the really good stuff (kudos to the Biden admin) remained.

I'll just quote my earlier post in this thread. I'll even quote Pit's article first, read it and tell me what I'm missing besides this largely being a "nothing burger". Most of this hinges on "payment systems" as quoted over and over in the article.


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Trump rolls back Biden directive to study methods of lowering prescription costs

Among the dozens of Biden-era executive orders he rescinded on day one, President Trump nixed one that aimed to explore new health care payment models that would lower prescription costs for Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries.

Trump rescinded former President Biden’s Executive Order 14087, “Lowering Prescription Drug Costs for Americans.” He included this directive among those he deemed to be “unpopular, inflationary, illegal, and radical practices.”

Biden’s executive order asked the Health and Human Services (HHS) secretary to look into “new health care payment and delivery models that would lower drug costs and promote access to innovative drug therapies for beneficiaries enrolled in the Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

The secretary could include models “that may lead to lower cost-sharing for commonly used drugs and support value-based payment that promotes high-quality care.” This executive order was meant to complement and build off of the health care cost provisions included in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) did explore payment models in respect to this order, publishing a report of its findings in 2023.

Among the models that were looked into, then-HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra chose one that would have allowed Medicare Part D sponsors to offer a “Medicare-defined standard set of approximately 150 high-value generic drugs with a maximum co-payment of $2 for a month’s supply.”

HHS also looked into a system that would have incentivized manufacturers to “expedite and complete confirmatory clinical trials” and have CMS develop payment methods for drugs approved under accelerated approval.

This method would have theoretically reduced CMS spending on clinical confirmatory trials that missed their completion date. At the time of report, it was noted about a third of drugs approved through the accelerated approval process had incomplete confirmatory trials.

Another model HHS proposed for testing looked into whether CMS could coordinate multi-state outcomes-based agreements (OBA) with manufacturers of high-cost specialty drug, instead of having state Medicaid agencies pursue individual OBAs. This would have reduced costs by in theory pooling “bargaining power to obtain discounted pricing.”

While these models were explored, they ultimately were not put into action during the Biden administration.

Several Biden-era provisions aimed at lowering prescription costs for Medicare beneficiaries will be going into effect throughout Trump’s second term. The IRA provision limiting Medicare out-of-pocket spending on prescription drugs to $2,000 went into effect at the start of this year.

The lowered prices of the first 10 drugs picked for Medicare negotiations will go into effect at the start of 2026 and the Medicare rebate program yielded temporary savings on dozens of prescriptions last year.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5098715-trump-executive-order-biden-prescription-drug-costs/

Maybe this is a part of that concept trump said he had for healthcare.


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The moves by Trump, experts say, are likely to be inconsequential to many Americans in terms of what they pay in out-of-pocket health care costs.

One Biden effort overturned by Trump, for example, had directed Medicare to look at ways to lower drug costs, including whether to impose a $2 monthly out-of-pocket cap on certain generic drugs.

That initiative, however, was only in the development stage, said Stacie Dusetzina, a health policy professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, and it was unclear whether it would be implemented at all.

Biden’s bigger health care initiatives, such as a $35 monthly cap on insulin, a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket cap on prescription drugs and Medicare’s negotiating drug pricing provision weren’t affected by Trump’s executive actions Monday.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...licies-drug-pricing-obamacare-rcna188555


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That is a good point. He's definitely focused on areas that capture headlines, like the pardons (awful), immigration (seems to be more good than bad so far), and NC (also seems to be good). He also had the Greenland, Panama, Gulf of Mexico, and federal employee EOs which were just nonsense. But, I think his biggest promise to fulfill is trying to make lives better for the average person. That means economy, healthcare, etc. It's early, obviously, but even throughout his campaign up through now, I have no idea what - if anything - he has in mind to accomplish that.

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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.

Ahhh... all these people are making this stuff up... still living in tents for the optics. I'm afraid the bulk of that money is still "north of Richmond", my friend. Or maybe they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need because they're still looking for Trump signs in their yards?

Maybe rather than your vivid imagination you can admit the obvious. Government programs are inefficient. Everything from military spending to FEMA. I understand you wish to make a few FEMA workers acting politically as some standard thing which it's not. There has been zero evidence to show that's true.

If the idea was to look into all of our government agencies to make sure they work more efficiently and in this case, more quickly in the face of such a disaster, that makes perfect sense. But just suggesting it be closed and done away with doesn't.

Then there's the fact that trump wants to place voter ID conditions on California in order for them to get money to help with their horrific wildfire damage has been plainly stated. I mean if you want to ignore that government agencies are not working up to snuff and make this political.

BTW- the North Carolina governor is a democrat, not a Republican.


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And once again on prescription drug prices you are promoting we just slam the door on ways to develop a solution as the most logical path forward....

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If we stop doing that it will just fix itself!


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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.

Ahhh... all these people are making this stuff up... still living in tents for the optics. I'm afraid the bulk of that money is still "north of Richmond", my friend. Or maybe they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need because they're still looking for Trump signs in their yards?

I will say, coming from someone who knows all too well the frustration of getting money authorized by Congress, then appropriated, and then routed to agencies to negotiate and spend the money on supplies/services, it's entirely plausible that they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need.

I can't say for sure whether this is the case or not, but disaster brings out the best in people, and also the worst. Really, really, really awful things happen when people know Uncle Sam has money that needs to be spent in a certain area. That transcends politicians, too, and goes right into greed of people and businesses who have no qualms about taking advantage. It's horribly sad.

Add to that, our acquisition process, even for contingency operations, gives us so many arbitrary boxes we have to check before we move forward. Like with Defense acquisition, it's one of those things that everyone cries foul about, but nobody - and I mean both sides of the aisle - wants to change it, because somehow it benefits them or their campaign.

What's worse is how easily it's hidden under the surface. I would guarantee 90% of the voting populace has never read the FAR or any of its supplements. So many things are just sitting in there that blatantly make you go "That doesn't seem right..."

It's insane. We have to develop the ways and means to cut through the endless red tape when disaster strikes. I've been through some crazy times, in life and in business, it was never that hard to quickly realize what needs to be addressed NOW and what can wait till later.

Going all the way back to Katrina it's been terrible coordination; terrible leadership; terrible lag; ungodly bureaucratic obstacles; pissing matches with locals; and like in California -- a lack of preparedness that is just baffling. Nothing short of utter failure, time and time again.

Point me in the direction of this FAR you speak of...


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The federal government owns 57% of all the forests in California. As trump blames the entirety of the problem on the democrats.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The federal government owns 57% of all the forests in California. As trump blames the entirety of the problem on the democrats.

The U.S. government provides substantial funding to California for forest management and conservation through multiple programs:
The U.S. Forest Service allocated $43.2 million in Inflation Reduction Act funding to California's Urban and Community Forestry Program for fiscal year 202347.
The National Fish and Wildlife Foundation announced $53 million in grants to protect and restore California's forests and watersheds, which leverages an additional $31.4 million in matching contributions2.
Cal Fire received $5 million specifically for the California Forest Improvement Program to support sustainable forest management practices on private nonindustrial forest lands1.
The Forest Legacy Program is working on projects to conserve over 49,000 acres with more than $19 million in federal funding7.
These investments aim to support forest health, wildfire risk reduction, urban forest expansion, and conservation efforts across California's diverse forest landscapes. The funding comes from various sources including the Inflation Reduction Act, USDA Forest Service allocations, and collaborative grant programs.


Should we just give them blank checks and still watch them do absolutely nothing?

These people literally said they skipped hydrant inspections because they couldn't afford it -- while spending 50 million to "de-Trump" and $22.8 billion on benefits and services for illegal aliens. Meanwhile, firefighters risk their lives to find no water to fight the damned fires everywhere they go.

GTHOH with that noise. It sounds dumber when Gavin Newsom says it but that shouldn't give you an excuse, you're likely smarter than he is.


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The hydrants worked. They ran out of water. Those are not the same thing.

But I get what you're saying and not only do I not mind that. I actually support that. They should have standards placed upon them in regards to the money they get for forest management and in regards to fire management. Like I said above we should be insuring that the money be spent more efficiently and quickly for its intended use. These are neither the funds designed for what you have described nor should these victims be held hostage over something that isn't of their doing.

But let me ask you a couple of things......

What does money given to fund forest management have to do with helping Americans recover from a disaster? I understand that future funds given to to California for fire services and forest management should have strings attached. But I'm having trouble understanding why that should interfere with emergency money to help these people in their hour of need.

Secondly which is a major point I brought up, is that voter I.D laws have zero to do with any of this. Hopefully you could at least admit that much. That's purely a political move to use disaster relief money to something totally unrelated to any of this.


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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.

Ahhh... all these people are making this stuff up... still living in tents for the optics. I'm afraid the bulk of that money is still "north of Richmond", my friend. Or maybe they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need because they're still looking for Trump signs in their yards?

Maybe rather than your vivid imagination you can admit the obvious. Government programs are inefficient. Everything from military spending to FEMA. I understand you wish to make a few FEMA workers acting politically as some standard thing which it's not. There has been zero evidence to show that's true.

If the idea was to look into all of our government agencies to make sure they work more efficiently and in this case, more quickly in the face of such a disaster, that makes perfect sense. But just suggesting it be closed and done away with doesn't.

Then there's the fact that trump wants to place voter ID conditions on California in order for them to get money to help with their horrific wildfire damage has been plainly stated. I mean if you want to ignore that government agencies are not working up to snuff and make this political.

BTW- the North Carolina governor is a democrat, not a Republican.

a couple notes; North Carolina flooding was a 1 in a 1000 year event. It is not going to get fixed overnight.
The scientists that work for NOAA knew this was coming for days-it was modeled to be very, very bad-when trump talks about getting rid of NOAA-it is just stupid and will lead to much greater loss of life-climate change or cyclical events not withstanding, these catastrophic events are hitting quite frequently and many of the areas in the path are densely populated.

I haven't gone back through yet but Daniel Dale from CNN did a fact check from trump speech today and it was almost completely half truths or complete lies about the recovery in NC and Cali.

So I was wandering what might be his angle and I just google searched from what I remember from project 2025 and there are a bunch of news stories today about trump wanting to revamp FEMA or completely closing it down.
What I remember from reading before is that they want to close down FEMA and throw disaster relief back to the states and local municipalities.

I don't think that has a chance in hell of succeeding.

All I could think about is what I would do if this was coming and I lived in Florida or the southeast. I am sure North Carolina has 8-10 billion sitting in the bank to pay for this disaster.

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White House is all about the donuts,those blueberries are to die for.
There are several Amish fruit stores around Columbiana that I shop at.My go to would be Rhodes on RT.46.They have a good deli,limited selection,but great prices.

To me with everything else out this way, White House is more of a tourist place, but the blueberries are to die for. I only go there about once a year.
I go to Catalpa, Van Pelt and Rhodes and my daughter likes Cooks Corner and Das Dutch House store in the back.

I go once in a while to pick at Catalpa and I go to Huffman Fruit Farm about once every couple weeks, but there is a berry/veggie farm a couple miles from my house called Winkle Berry Farm and i might be there 2-3 times a week from about June to late August-I pick there a lot.

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It’s well past day 1.

War still rages in Europe.
Egg prices and groceries have doubled.
Gas prices trending up.
Insurance costs still rising fast.
Inflation is still here.


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How can he possibly harm his own voters when Biden has left them in tents with no roads or resources for four months.

Biden-Harris Administration Provides $860 Million for Hurricane Helene and Milton Survivors and Communities. That was as of Oct. 24th.

Ahhh... all these people are making this stuff up... still living in tents for the optics. I'm afraid the bulk of that money is still "north of Richmond", my friend. Or maybe they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need because they're still looking for Trump signs in their yards?

I will say, coming from someone who knows all too well the frustration of getting money authorized by Congress, then appropriated, and then routed to agencies to negotiate and spend the money on supplies/services, it's entirely plausible that they're having a hard time getting the money to those in need.

I can't say for sure whether this is the case or not, but disaster brings out the best in people, and also the worst. Really, really, really awful things happen when people know Uncle Sam has money that needs to be spent in a certain area. That transcends politicians, too, and goes right into greed of people and businesses who have no qualms about taking advantage. It's horribly sad.

Add to that, our acquisition process, even for contingency operations, gives us so many arbitrary boxes we have to check before we move forward. Like with Defense acquisition, it's one of those things that everyone cries foul about, but nobody - and I mean both sides of the aisle - wants to change it, because somehow it benefits them or their campaign.

What's worse is how easily it's hidden under the surface. I would guarantee 90% of the voting populace has never read the FAR or any of its supplements. So many things are just sitting in there that blatantly make you go "That doesn't seem right..."

It's insane. We have to develop the ways and means to cut through the endless red tape when disaster strikes. I've been through some crazy times, in life and in business, it was never that hard to quickly realize what needs to be addressed NOW and what can wait till later.

Going all the way back to Katrina it's been terrible coordination; terrible leadership; terrible lag; ungodly bureaucratic obstacles; pissing matches with locals; and like in California -- a lack of preparedness that is just baffling. Nothing short of utter failure, time and time again.

Point me in the direction of this FAR you speak of...

Prepare yourself for a wild weekend!

https://www.acquisition.gov/browse/index/far

This and the DFARS (Defense Federal Acquisition Regulation Supplement) primarily govern all the rules of my negotiations and acquisitions. It gets a LOT of attention from Contractor lobbyists...


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The hydrants worked. They ran out of water. Those are not the same thing.

But I get what you're saying and not only do I not mind that. I actually support that. They should have standards placed upon them in regards to the money they get for forest management and in regards to fire management. Like I said above we should be insuring that the money be spent more efficiently and quickly for its intended use. These are neither the funds designed for what you have described nor should these victims be held hostage over something that isn't of their doing.

But let me ask you a couple of things......

What does money given to fund forest management have to do with helping Americans recover from a disaster? I understand that future funds given to to California for fire services and forest management should have strings attached. But I'm having trouble understanding why that should interfere with emergency money to help these people in their hour of need.

Secondly which is a major point I brought up, is that voter I.D laws have zero to do with any of this. Hopefully you could at least admit that much. That's purely a political move to use disaster relief money to something totally unrelated to any of this.

You said that earlier and I rolled my eyes. I heard his original statements directly this morning and it wasn't a direct "condition". It was classic Trump reframing the question and saying "if they do those two things I'll be the best president to California that they've ever seen". Now that you mentioned it again, I see that he later clarified in a press conference and plainly said "I have conditions for California..." and restated that trash.

It's childish and there's no place for it. If you want to use the moment to merely mention things like this, that's cringe-worthy enough. It's things like this I hate about him the most. On one hand, he's good at planting seeds -- he did that with all the tariff talk. It got immediate attention and had his phone ringing off the hook from leaders saying "hey now, let's talk about this". Most of you said he would ruin the economy with tariffs, I saw it as the negotiation tactic that it is.

At the end of the day, he's not going to withhold aid if they don't agree with voter IDs, I think we both know that. That doesn't change the fact that he sounds like a petulant child while he spews it.

I think it's more absurd that Newsom passed laws that disallows cities and munis from asking for IDs or creating laws of their own, but that's a story for another argument.

What a shame. He looks like a great leader from the moment he jumps off the plane and then ruins it all with trash like that. Trump being Trump. V2.0


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Are you $h*tting me?

I'm five clicks in and want to hang myself. How do you navigate this nonsense??

Should be a fun trip around that site. I'll have questions. rofl

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Good post.

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach on the tariffs. I could see it as a negotiation tactic, but he's gone harder in the paint on implementing them this time around than he has in the past.

As for the crap he starts, I think it's the only tactic he knows, good or bad.


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The hydrants worked. They ran out of water. Those are not the same thing.

But I get what you're saying and not only do I not mind that. I actually support that. They should have standards placed upon them in regards to the money they get for forest management and in regards to fire management. Like I said above we should be insuring that the money be spent more efficiently and quickly for its intended use. These are neither the funds designed for what you have described nor should these victims be held hostage over something that isn't of their doing.

But let me ask you a couple of things......

What does money given to fund forest management have to do with helping Americans recover from a disaster? I understand that future funds given to to California for fire services and forest management should have strings attached. But I'm having trouble understanding why that should interfere with emergency money to help these people in their hour of need.

Secondly which is a major point I brought up, is that voter I.D laws have zero to do with any of this. Hopefully you could at least admit that much. That's purely a political move to use disaster relief money to something totally unrelated to any of this.

You said that earlier and I rolled my eyes. I heard his original statements directly this morning and it wasn't a direct "condition". It was classic Trump reframing the question and saying "if they do those two things I'll be the best president to California that they've ever seen". Now that you mentioned it again, I see that he later clarified in a press conference and plainly said "I have conditions for California..." and restated that trash.

It's childish and there's no place for it. If you want to use the moment to merely mention things like this, that's cringe-worthy enough. It's things like this I hate about him the most. On one hand, he's good at planting seeds -- he did that with all the tariff talk. It got immediate attention and had his phone ringing off the hook from leaders saying "hey now, let's talk about this". Most of you said he would ruin the economy with tariffs, I saw it as the negotiation tactic that it is.

At the end of the day, he's not going to withhold aid if they don't agree with voter IDs, I think we both know that. That doesn't change the fact that he sounds like a petulant child while he spews it.

I think it's more absurd that Newsom passed laws that disallows cities and munis from asking for IDs or creating laws of their own, but that's a story for another argument.

What a shame. He looks like a great leader from the moment he jumps off the plane and then ruins it all with trash like that. Trump being Trump. V2.0

Copied for a future discussion. Because I believe trump will withhold aid if Newsom doesn’t agree.


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Originally Posted by FATE
To DL: (forgot to hit respond)

Are you $h*tting me?

I'm five clicks in and want to hang myself. How do you navigate this nonsense??

Should be a fun trip around that site. I'll have questions. rofl

It's not easy. It constantly gets updated, too.

Please ask away. I've lived in that world now for almost 14 years. There are some things in there previously that I used as leverage for negotiations and then all of a sudden they were lobbied out. Hmmmmmmm........

Far Part 15 focusing on sole source negotiations is where I primarily see my drama. Also FAR Part 12 because more companies are trying to assert "commerciality" which gives them far more leverage in negotiations (Transdigm).

FAR Part 52 has a lot of the contract clauses where JD's like me also like to focus our time, especially on the ones that can be tailored.

FAR Part 16 goes through contract types. I actually think this is one area where we should move full steam ahead if we have any hope of moving in a sane direction to correct our acquisitions. Move from FFP to FPIF. Would save billions.


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This should make the hollow-headed-hoople-human-hockey-pucks that voted for this national embarrassment happy. Smh, I don’t want to do this crap for four years.


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Sweet. Sum it up. Try to use language befitting normal human discourse. Start with letting us know if we're all gonna die.


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Basically trump had a phone call with the PM of Denmark about wanting Greenland
Apparently he threatened Denmark with either targeted tariffs of military action
Basically he wants to be Putin
Putin wants Ukraine so he invades
So trump wants Greenland

As succinct as I could make it
I tried to use simple words too


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Trump had ‘fiery’ call with Danish prime minister over Greenland: Report


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-had-fiery-call-danish-210806000.html

why are we threatening a NATO ally with tariffs over a country that isn't ours? We already have our national security in the area protected: it's literally called NATO. We already have a US base there.

conservatives told me he was just joking about this. not only have they already started trying to justify buying greenland, but trump is clearly dead serious about this. I'm trying to figure out how we don't have the money for healthcare because of deficits and debt, but not only do we have the money to purchase Greenland, we apparently have the money to eat economic tariffs if Trump doesn't get his way.

There's a whole war in Ukraine going on, yet he's putting more effort in trying to acquire Greenland than stopping the invasion.

we all know he won't get on the phone and talk to Putin like that.


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But apparently he’ll cut off all aid to Ukraine and other countries for 90 days. This is nuts.

https://newrepublic.com/post/190690/donald-trump-just-cut-foreign-aid-ukraine-world

I think what you mention about Putin is another brick in the house of how fishy things were with them. It really set off my spider sense just watching the two of them together, of course culminating in Trump throwing the NSA under the bus in Helsinki.

Trump will threaten aid to California related to fires, tough talk a NATO ally about Greenland, and take all kinds of tough guy negotiation tactics, but you don’t really see that when he talks about Putin.


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I'm telling you bro, I learned that at a very early age when it comes to leadership: Your leader can't be a tyrant toward his allies, and a ally toward his enemies. It's never gonna work in the long run. But for whatever reason(s), Trump has it in his head that projecting strength means bullying your allies and appeasing the enemy.

never trust a dude who has more smoke for the home team than he does for the away team.


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He just cut the security staff for Fauci, Bolton & Pompeo.

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“I think you know, when you work for government … at some point, your security detail comes off, and you know, you can’t have them forever,” Trump said Friday in North Carolina, where he was touring storm damage.

Asked by CNN’s Betsy Klein whether he would feel partially responsible if something were to happen to Fauci or Bolton, Trump said no.

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I find that to be a very ironic statement regarding wealth and security detail following you forever…

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/politics/anthony-fauci-security-detail-trump/index.html

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Trump fired 17 Inspector Generals.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...eral-washington-post-reports-2025-01-25/

This is bad. Most people don’t understand why it’s bad, though.

So, why is it bad? The IGs investigate audit and go off tips they receive to target fraud, waste and abuse in federal spending programs.

What are some examples?

In 2019 and 2021, the DOD IG, working off whistleblower tips found that Transdigm, HQ’d in Cleveland, was ripping off the Government to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, just in the segment of contracts that were audited. If you extrapolate that out to their entire business base, it would approach the high hundreds of millions of dollars.

That’s just one example off the top of my head. Without an IG, it would be far easier for companies to ransack the Government.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
That is a good point. He's definitely focused on areas that capture headlines, like the pardons (awful), immigration (seems to be more good than bad so far), and NC (also seems to be good). He also had the Greenland, Panama, Gulf of Mexico, and federal employee EOs which were just nonsense. But, I think his biggest promise to fulfill is trying to make lives better for the average person. That means economy, healthcare, etc. It's early, obviously, but even throughout his campaign up through now, I have no idea what - if anything - he has in mind to accomplish that.

There is no one thing that will take care of that. As always, prices go up fairly early during inflationary times and slow to come down. In reality downward prices usually don't happen. They become stagnant as the conditions improve.

Lots of things help raise prices, but the biggest driver is increased labor costs. Once you give raises, you can't take them back. That just doesn't fly.

It's a nasty loop, no doubt, as one thing leads to another, which leads to another, then another and so on.

I think the best place to start is with government employment. There will have to be some fast-paced reductions, but I would like it to be fairly minimal. I am not big of just walking in and firing people. There isn't a short term fix. This isn't like a business that has to make quick moves because a business can't print it's own money and has to remain competitive. They can't just raise prices to whatever level needed to keep things afloat. The government doesn't have those handcuffs. They can print money, which is inflationary, or raise taxes, which is the same as raising prices. Consumers can just decide not to buy a product any longer, taxpayers don't have the same option.

I'd take a long term approach to the problem and institute a government hiring and wage freeze. Allow attrition to thin the herd. No doubt you would still hire people. You would just make sure it was a nesessary hire.


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Trump fired 17 Inspector Generals.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...eral-washington-post-reports-2025-01-25/

This is bad. Most people don’t understand why it’s bad, though.

So, why is it bad? The IGs investigate audit and go off tips they receive to target fraud, waste and abuse in federal spending programs.

What are some examples?

In 2019 and 2021, the DOD IG, working off whistleblower tips found that Transdigm, HQ’d in Cleveland, was ripping off the Government to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, just in the segment of contracts that were audited. If you extrapolate that out to their entire business base, it would approach the high hundreds of millions of dollars.

That’s just one example off the top of my head. Without an IG, it would be far easier for companies to ransack the Government.

authoritarianism with sprinkles of totalitarianism is what the people voted for. Trump made it clear he was gonna install loyalist up and down the government, experience be damned.


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The hydrants worked. They ran out of water. Those are not the same thing.

But I get what you're saying and not only do I not mind that. I actually support that. They should have standards placed upon them in regards to the money they get for forest management and in regards to fire management. Like I said above we should be insuring that the money be spent more efficiently and quickly for its intended use. These are neither the funds designed for what you have described nor should these victims be held hostage over something that isn't of their doing.

But let me ask you a couple of things......

What does money given to fund forest management have to do with helping Americans recover from a disaster? I understand that future funds given to to California for fire services and forest management should have strings attached. But I'm having trouble understanding why that should interfere with emergency money to help these people in their hour of need.

Secondly which is a major point I brought up, is that voter I.D laws have zero to do with any of this. Hopefully you could at least admit that much. That's purely a political move to use disaster relief money to something totally unrelated to any of this.

You said that earlier and I rolled my eyes. I heard his original statements directly this morning and it wasn't a direct "condition". It was classic Trump reframing the question and saying "if they do those two things I'll be the best president to California that they've ever seen". Now that you mentioned it again, I see that he later clarified in a press conference and plainly said "I have conditions for California..." and restated that trash.

It's childish and there's no place for it. If you want to use the moment to merely mention things like this, that's cringe-worthy enough. It's things like this I hate about him the most. On one hand, he's good at planting seeds -- he did that with all the tariff talk. It got immediate attention and had his phone ringing off the hook from leaders saying "hey now, let's talk about this". Most of you said he would ruin the economy with tariffs, I saw it as the negotiation tactic that it is.

At the end of the day, he's not going to withhold aid if they don't agree with voter IDs, I think we both know that. That doesn't change the fact that he sounds like a petulant child while he spews it.

I think it's more absurd that Newsom passed laws that disallows cities and munis from asking for IDs or creating laws of their own, but that's a story for another argument.

What a shame. He looks like a great leader from the moment he jumps off the plane and then ruins it all with trash like that. Trump being Trump. V2.0

Copied for a future discussion. Because I believe trump will withhold aid if Newsom doesn’t agree.

I find it odd people don't think he'll actually do what he said he would do. We heard the same thing about what he was saying on the campaign trail. And now he's doing those things.

We warned them that trump was putting loyalists in charge and he is doing it. We told them that would present no guardrails to prevent him from doing anything that entered his impulsive brain and that's what we're seeing. We told them he would write EO after EO as a would be king would do and he's doing it. Over 200 in the first few days including at least one we know of that flies in the face of the constitution.

Yet still they insist that he's not serious about what he says he'll do. I wonder just how long this will continue before they get it?


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