DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk 2025 NFL Draft Draft III

If the Browns can find a trading partner at #2 that will give them a #1 in 2026, I think they will trade back. I do believe they will do all they can in 2025 to win and try to right the ship. If they cannot more than likely the coach and GM will be gone. Unless they can convince Haslam, they have a plan to acquire the future Francise QB. If the GM decides to blow this thing up it happens next offseason and not this offseason. Too many variables point to that. If they can right the ship and find a way to get back to 2023 level of play having an extra pick to still acquire a future #1 is still a benefit to moving forward with the program in place.

Knowing our luck it will end up being Shedeur Sanders and the Deion traveling circus that will come along with it.

With all the nonsense we've been through in the past our FO should know enough not to take Sanders. Between DW, OBJ and Manziel we've had enough drama to last us another 20 years. If they haven't learned they deserve what they get. We as devoted fans don't!!!!!

I agree that they should have learned. But let me ask you, are you confident they have? I know I'm not.

It's February. Teams want outsiders to feel confident in the wrong things this time of year.

I cannot disagree more with this sentiment. You need to select difference-makers when you're picking that high. Who those difference-makers are changes from draft to draft.

If Ward (or whoever) is the next Brady Quinn and Travis Hunter is the next Randy Moss, and you pass on the generational talent in order to take a mediocre QB, you're gonna be picking at 2 again very soon.

So you're saying if they screw it up bad enough they'll get another chance?

Stefanksi has more to say about Ward and his football acumen than Sanders in those two clips comparison.

Swing, yes. At 2, no.

Swinging at a pitch in the dirt is unlikely to end well.

A pitch right down the middle of the plate is much more likely to have a positive outcome.

Swinging at pitches "outside the zone" leads to strike outs.

Hitting doubles at least gets you on base.

This draft and our roster would seem to lend itself to a more manufactured/methodical approach to offense rather than selling out for home runs.

There are plenty of alternative balls to swing at. Just have to find the right one for you.

I don't see Ward as a great fit. I don't think our roster works with the 4 wide full throttle down the field passing out of shotgun while having his feet planted solidly for three seconds or scramble/circus plays that he was best at. If Shedeur's last name weren't Sanders his physical tools would get him drafted on day 3. (You don't just draft for physical tools.)

If a Kirk Cousins value is there in round 4, you take the swing then when the pitch is in the zone/the evaluation matches up with the pick value.

Picking Hunter and him balling out isn't a waste. Mediocre QBs can be elevated by a strong overall team (Darnold in Minny, Pickens in Pitt, Flacco with us).

You take a mediocre QB who's off the team before his rookie contract is up and out of the league immediately after... you truly have nothing.


Ultimately, it comes down to what you think about the talent of the QB draft class. To your point, QBs are ALWAYS over-drafted for the exact reason you're stating. I think our disagreement comes down to our differences on the QB prospects.

That's what I think this entire discussion boils down to. It's dependent upon what each one of us think about what the ROI will be and just how much of a calculated risk is involved with this QB class.

I honestly believe if they feel one of these QB's is "The Guy!" they should draft him. But they would need to feel damn sure of that. As for myself I don't see any of these QB's as being worthy of the#2 pick.

So all of this is subjective depending on who you ask.

See, it's much more nuanced than that.

I don't disagree with what bone is saying at all. If you have a mediocre WR/EDGE/WHATEVER or a mediocre QB at your pick... you take the QB and don't ever look back.

I just don't see a QB talent in this draft that warrants a QB picked at 2 over Hunter or Carter, even with the "QB effect/handicap".

I certainly agree with you. That's why I brought up ROI as being a key factor. I did not however take the time to explain it well. For me if you have players like Hunter and Carter on the board I don't see a QB worth drafting with them still on the board even with the QB premium the NFL gives that favors QB's be over drafted. Both of them have a chance to be generational players. I'm not seeing anything like that in this QB class.

These draft pundits are not always correct about these QB's coming out of college and saying this year's QB class is not strong. The pundits had quite a few wrong over the years just look at active QB's Josh Allen was went 6 overall and the 3rd QB taken and the Bills fans Boo'ed his selection when it happened because pundits did not all like him and some had a bad grade on him. Draft pundits had a higher grade on Mitch Trubisky than they did Patrick Mahomes who went 10th overall by the way and not top 5. The Eagles QB Jalen Hurts went in the 2nd round and top draft pundits said a team would never win with Hurts, Future Hall of fame QB Aaron Rogers was drafted in the 20's so is new Green Bay QB Jordan Love and hall of famer Brett Farve was a 2nd rounder. The G.O.A.T. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. If Stefanski feels that any QB is a future franchise QB Berry must pull the trigger. If Stefanski does not feel any QB is a future franchise QB then Berry must draft best player available and position the team to get a franchise QB down the road. Bottom line is pundits are wrong often, but Front offices need to be right, or they get fired. If the Browns draft Ward, or Sanders, or trade down to get a future #1 that will tell us what they thought of the draft class. I do not see them simply drafting best player at #2 because getting a franchise QB is a must and drafting one or collect assists to get one in the future is all they can do.

Other than the cap hell, Titans are in the same spot we are in terms of QB.

Better hope that there's at least 2 QBs worth the high pick.

I agree, with some qualifications. This kind of piggybacks on a comment I made to you in another thread. We do need difference makers. People who shine right out of the gate.

That is the pickle we are in....we need a QB which isn't a position that usually shines right out of the gate. Above you compared a QB who might be Brady Quinn and a receiver who might be the next Randy Moss. I don't think this could happen but the Braylon Edwards we drafted high didn't turn out to be the Braylon Edwards we thought we were drafting. We ended up with the Braylon Edwards we all know.

For Berry to save his hide he has to draft offensive players who flash early. I am not going to speculate in what order, but we need to draft a QB, RB, and WR(maybe a TE) with the first 4 picks. We have two 3rd rounders. I might not draft a defensive player until the 6th round. I'd even take a 2nd RB in this draft. Heck, maybe even a 2nd QB in this draft.

This isn't how I usually look at drafting, but on the O we are severely depleted at key positions. We have to bring in players who can show some flash. Players who give us some hope and look like they will be around for a 2nd contract. I don't expect a drafted QB to take the league by storm like happened in DC this year, but I do expect we see a guy who flashed and at seasons end we can say he looked good, we have something here that we can work with and live with.

The upside to that is that the Deion family circus brings Superbowl Rings.. So theres that I guess.

I'm mostly with you. Focus on offense, but I think I might grab a LB. Look back at the NO loss. Jameis played well, but we got absolutely demolished by Taysom Hill. I think we need to find a vocal leader type on that side of the ball. Though, perhaps that might be easier to find in FA.

We seem to kind of be lacking player "leadership." We don't really seem to have anyone willing to "be the bad guy" and hold other players accountable on the field play to play. Too many nice guys, not really a butt kicker. Myles might need to let a toned down version of the Hulk-mode helmet smasher out more often.

Maybe one of the young guys can step up with more confidence with another year under their belts.

I'd love for their to be a QB worth drafting where he is supposedly going, but I'm just not seeing it. That's not to say none of them have high ceilings, but the floors are not great. If we had a Jamar Chase/Justin Jefferson, maybe I'd roll the dice on Ward. We don't really have a guy that can consistently make a mediocre throw look good, though.

I'd rather get the Justin Jefferson style guy now. Travis Hunter is that guy to me. High floor, ridiculous ceiling. Makes QBs right and defenders look silly.

If we want a big armed guy throwing YOLO balls, I'd just as soon have it be Jameis with the reduced opportunity cost when we'd hopefully be able to get Hunter to be on the receiving end to make him right more often. Cleaning things up a bit on Winston's end tied with less needing to fit it and more knowing you can put it further out and let a guy go get it; Improved OL play with a better marriage between run and pass that we had before catering to Deshaun; I think that ends up working better, for us, than a rookie throwing to Jeudy and Tilman.

I'm not saying I love it. But I think this season goes better if we go that way. You've got to work the draft based on what's in the draft, not on what you want in the draft that may or may not be there. Get the offensive superstar when you can. Don't reach for need. FA is for needs. In the draft, just pick the best player with ties going to the guy that scores TDs in a league with rules promoting offense.

I believe Will Levis got benched for Mason Rudolph this past year. I believe Callahan uttered the magic words "... gives us the best chance to win".

I'd bet money they're still looking for a QB.

I also think the shakeup in offensive staff signals a shift back to the "Stefanski-style" offense.

1. Run the ball well
2. Take shots with PA
3. Lots of pre-snap motion and some gimmick plays that work well when we're rolling and look dumb when we're not


I think the Watson deal has led to certain position groups degrading. We need at least a starter-caliber tackle as well as at least one legit backup. The interior is in better shape, but Teller has steadily regressed and Bitonio is doing the off-season retirement dance. Hopefully the picks we have made (ex. Zinter) come through for us here.

I would argue it's actually more important (at least for this off-season) to build the team back up until a stronger QB is available. I also wouldn't mind pushing draft capital to next year and load up for a trade-up.

I can't accept the premise that nothing else matters. Surroundings matter.

Sam Darnold failed on the Jets and the Panthers. He had success on the Vikings. The difference? A stud receiver. We're closer to the Jets and Panthers than we are to the Vikings at WR.

Put Cousins away from Jefferson and he's struggling in Atlanta. Put Russell Wilson with lesser receivers in Denver and he struggled.

Jeudy is a solid receiver. He's not a confidence inspiring receiver. In Denver, he was a confidence deflating receiver.

Unfortunately this year the QB iron looks tepid (frosted over probably goes too far) to me. A bunch of developmental guys with flaws I'm not sure they can overcome or Mac Joneses that will never be top half starters. Take Ward where Malik Willis went? Sure. At 2? I couldn't do it. I think recency bias after Daniels' success is skewing perceptions. Everyone wants to find the next Mahomes or Allen, and try to cast Ward in that light but I don't think his tools are on that level.

I'd much rather take a chance on a guy I feel is underrated in the fourth where you're not expecting a starter than bet on a guy I feel is overrated and requires a lot of projection as far as things you didn't really see in college in a spot at 2 you've got to come away with a difference maker from.

We can get winning QB play elsewhere. We won with Flacco. We went 5-1 with not good Watson in '23. We're not getting top shelf difference makers outside of the draft this year unless something crazy happens.

If I thought Ward had the super high, carry the team ceiling maybe I'd gamble. I think his ceiling is more bigger, less dynamic almost disappointment Kyler Murray than the actual top guys. And he's played a lot of ball, so I'm not sure how much more climbing he'll actually do, or how Murray works without the ridiculous athleticism.

I live in the Nashville area. Levis sucks and the Titans know it. They need a QB as badly as we do. If they trade out of that first pick or don't draft a QB at #1, that will only help confirm how bad this QB class is.

As far as last years QB's go you're trying to compare apples to oranges. They were much better than this years crop and everyone knew it.

BTW- Coaches always pimp their own players for the draft. That goes without saying and isn't anything to hang your hat on.

So until this FO drafts a QB and that QB fails miserably you won't believe it? Sounds like it will be a little late at that point.

"If they trade out of that first pick or don't draft a QB at #1, that will only help confirm how bad this QB class is."

Really? How does that confirm a thing?

It is their choice to select who they feel helps their team the most.

It does not make the quarterback class bad.

That will be proven or disproven with the results of their play.

Let me put this on bold for you so maybe the situation will sink in.

The Titans desperately NEED a QB!

In one breath you say no team will go anywhere without a good QB. And that is true.

In the next breath you claim a team in desperate need of a QB would pass on a good QB because they feel a different position would help their team more than a good QB? None of that makes any sense.

Once again you seem to advocate the Browns "just draft a QB" and if they end up sucking it proves they shouldn't have drafted that QB? I certainly hope the Browns don't employ that strategy in the war room.

Let's try this again shall we?

They desperately need a QB. We both know that QB's are elevated in the draft due to how critical the position is. What other position could any NFL team consider would help them more or be more important
to address than a good QB when they don't have one? The answer is obvious here. There is none.

In fact that's your very reasoning for the Browns to take a shot at the QB position even under very questionable circumstances.

If the Titans think there's a legitimate franchise QB in this draft, they will select him. It's not really up for debate.