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He doesn't want to holdout. He wants to be traded. Those are two different things. His refusal to negotiate is directly linked with him no longer wanting to be here. I can't really disagree with most of what you stated. But at some point forcing a player to stay here does more harm than good. Especially a player of Myles status. It gets a lot of attention and every player in the league will watch it play out. I think that's the exact reason we almost never see other teams handle the situation by forcing the players hand into staying there.

The future ramifications aren't good when it comes time to sign other players. And if you think that doesn't enter the minds of every player in our locker room I respectfully disagree with you.

GM..you ever hear of a guy named Albert Breer..?
Pokorny referenced Breer's Feb 2nd article several times.
The discussion below took place on 98.5 Boston sports radio (The Sports Hub)

On Feb 2nd, 2024 2:06pm Breer authored the following article,
https://985thesportshub.com/2024/02/02/albert-breer-why-alex-van-pelt-was-fired-by-the-browns/

Albert Breer: Why Alex Van Pelt was fired by the Browns
Author
February 2nd, 2024 2:06 PM

On Friday’s edition of Zolak & Bertrand, Albert Breer of SI and MMQB joined the show
to break down why Alex Van Pelt was fired by the Browns earlier this offseason.

(https://985thesportshub.com/2024/02/02/albert-breer-why-alex-van-pelt-was-fired-by-the-browns/)
The Real "REASON" why Alex Van Pelt was Fired by Cleveland Browns
He was the glue of the staff…

Albert Breer: The reason he was let go in Cleveland was because ownership and Paul DePodesta, not Kevin Stefanski, ownership and Paul DePodesta were frustrated with the progress Deshaun Watson had made. I don’t think that they really, truly… the people who made that decision, really, truly knew his value to that staff. Other people on that staff, not so much Kevin (Stefanski) but people below him, were floored when they fired him for two reasons. Number one, how do you fire the offensive coordinator after you just won 11 games with four different quarterbacks, with your fourth and fifth tackles, without Nick Chubb.

Ryan Johnston: Including at least 2 or 3 of those guys that nobody’s ever heard of, right? I mean, you’re talking about Jeff Driskel, PJ Walker, Dorian Thompson-Robinson. Like those are some of the guys he was working with.

Albert Breer: So you just went through that, right? I mean, Zo how often do you see teams survive losing one tackle, let alone three? They lost their first three tackles for the year.

Scott Zolak: You usually don’t. Look at the New England Patriots this year, you really had no tackles.

Albert Breer: There’s no tackle depth across the league period and he was able to help build an offense that was able to sustain. With Joe Flacco coming off the couch with their fourth and fifth tackles, without Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt coming back in. So there’s that, which was one reason why people there were floored that he got fired. The other one I think is a real key though. He was the glue of that staff.

Kevin, if you know him, he’s a great guy. He’s not the most outgoing guy, you know. His personality is very dry. He’s got a good sense of humor, but he’s not like this outwardly gregarious guy. Alex was the one that held that staff together when guys were coming out, when guys were going in. He is a guy who was a unifying force in that building. And after the year the Patriots they just came off, with the state their staff was in coming out of that season. I mean, Zo you could talk about his personality, like this is a great guy.

Scott Zolak: Great guy. Pittsburgh guy. He’ll break your balls. But I always had fun with him and, just the back and forths we had when he was in Buffalo. That and I ran into a bunch after it. It’s going to be good to see him again. So, it’s good to see somebody that I actually know that I can pick out of a freakin lineup that is coming in to be part of something.

Albert Breer: The point is though, that’s what they need.

Myles Garrett does not have any leverage. He has 2 years remaining on a contract he signed. If he holds out and does not play the Browns still hold his rights for 2 more years. After that the Browns still have all the rights in a franchise tag. He can saber rattle all he wants. The Browns have the power in this issue. It would be different if he was not under contract and the Browns were franchise tagging him and he said he did not want to sign. That is a much different discussion. He signed the deal and he is getting paid. He can say what he wants but the Browns are in the right to not agree to his request. Lamar Jackson requested a trade lst year out of Baltimore. He did not get out either.

LJ was positioning to get paid...MG is positioning to get out.

Yes I know who Breer is. BUT you lead with a link and article from Porky... you do that a lot... makes me think your related LOL I read the article and I know the article is WRONG.

And the results of that would be that other players would not want to come here. Sometimes when you play hardball you end up biting off your nose to spite your face.

I get the salary cap implications make this far more difficult than a simple yes or no situation. For some reason I'm thinking there must be away that the team Garrett would be traded to could take on part of that cap burden. But I admit I have no way of knowing how or whether that would work.

GM writes...

GM...here is the article... https://dawgpounddaily.com/posts/ji...ffense-could-be-problematic-01hnvfzd1579

GM...how bout you tell us "WHAT IS WRONG" with the article Albert Breer wrote..?

It happens. You don't want to be relying on free agency anyways. Players don't want to come here because it's Cleveland regardless of Myles.

And the results of that would be that other players would not want to come here. Sometimes when you play hardball you end up biting off your nose to spite your face.

I don't know if this is even possible, but if MG REALLY wants out for this season, then he's gonna have to have a hand in relieving our cap situation.

I am the furthest thing from a cap expert... I would probably sound really dumb trying to come up with paths to get him traded this off-season and be cap-compliant. My point is that this whole conversation can't even begin until there's a solution to our cap commitments for this year... of which MG could only potentially affect a small portion.

While that may be true adding yet another layer to the reasons players don't want to come here would only further intensify that situation. I've just been looking into examples similar to this and in general teams don't force players to stay when they want out. I have trouble believing that in the vast majority of cases teams elect to trade players in similar situations that forcing one to stay is a good idea.

Sadly there are never enough high draft picks to fill all of the holes on the roster. That's why teams do depend on free agency to help fill those holes. It happens every year. I agree you don't want that to be the case but as life teaches us, what we want is often times not the reality.

Maybe you should ask the players? You don't think the players are smart enough to figure out that the Browns would be trying to force Garrett onto a bad team? You may be able to fool the fans with that one but I don't think you would fool the players with that.

And in actuality you're far more likely to get more from a good team who thinks Garrett may be the last needed piece of the puzzle on their defense than a poor team that needs far more than that. Poor teams need their resources to fill at least a few big holes while a good team may only need to fill one.

That's why I think a big picture view is much smarter than the "We'll teach him!" route. Any time you trade a player the most important thing is getting the most in return for him. When you place revenge and teaching him a lesson as your first priority the only one you really hurt is yourself.

It's a matter of getting maximum value for a player.

Sorry buddy, you think too much.

It isn't a matter of trying to trade him to a bad team. It's a matter of getting maximum value for a player.

I'd gladly trade him to Philly or some other team if that was the best offer. I know you aren't dense enough to think that all first rounders have equal value.

Just to keep this simple, if we could get 1 pick for Myles...a 1st from Philly or a 1st from the Titans, you would be silly enough to trade with the Eagles because that is where Myles would want to go?

No...I didn't think so.

What are you even arguing here? Are you saying you would take the lesser offer?

How much more of a dumpster fire can you appear to be when you are 3-14?

I understand the salary cap implications. A trade agreement could be worked out at any point in time that doesn't come into effect until June 2nd or there after.

Will come, then it will come again, and again. But you also keep pushing the money you would have to pay then into the future as well. Is it a house of cards? Yes. But the US economy has been doing it for decades.

He has never figured out yet that the salary cap goes up every year. As long as the cap does not go down like it did in the covid year the bill never really comes due. The Browns will restructure Watson's contract long before he is cut to have him on the books until 2030. They will let the insurance money cover most of 2026 cap hit. For years I have heard fans scream about cheap owners who won't spend the money. The Browns have an owner that spends the money. If there is something to complain about it is a terrible 2024 season. Not that the team spends money. The spending of the money shows the owner and front office are trying to win. The biggest problem this franchise has had is they have not had a franchise QB since Bernie Kosar. Until that changes, the team will continue to struggle and have roller coaster seasons. Trying to get the franchise QB is the reason they made the move they made for Deshaun. It just did not work out. At least they tried.

He has never figured out yet that the salary cap goes up every year. As long as the cap does not go down like it did in the covid year the bill never really comes due. The Browns will restructure Watson's contract long before he is cut to have him on the books until 2030. They will let the insurance money cover most of 2026 cap hit. For years I have heard fans scream about cheap owners who won't spend the money. The Browns have an owner that spends the money. If there is something to complain about it is a terrible 2024 season. Not that the team spends money. The spending of the money shows the owner and front office are trying to win. The biggest problem this franchise has had is they have not had a franchise QB since Bernie Kosar. Until that changes, they team will continue to struggle and have roller coaster seasons. Trying to get the franchise QB is the reason they made the move they made for Deshaun. It just did not work out. At least they tried.

The US economy comparison is just a poor comparison since the country is now currently $46T in debt where we pay our tax dollars for the interest on that debt that's more than our total armed forces budget which is the US largest expenditure.

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The comment: "He has never figured out yet that the salary cap goes up every year. As long as the cap does not go down like it did in the covid year the bill never really comes due" is gaslighting the actual issue - the math doesn't lie!

He has never figured out yet that the salary cap goes up every year.

If the salary cap was a non factor - and the fact that it goes up every year cemented that the salary cap is a non factor - then why the F are we saying MG can't be traded because of his contract and the impact it would have on the slary cap?? Riddle me that Batman.

Instead of having one elite player that you can build everything around on one side of the ball, you can have none.

Even post-June it's still a cap mess. It's not just '26 that comes crashing down, there are 4 more void years of money. Maybe you understand it, but I trust Berry to understand it better than we do.

So you think building the teams future on an almost 30 year old is a sound strategy? As I've been saying, that's a player much better suited to fit a team that has a SB window needing the final piece of the puzzle.


Halsam trusting Berry is what has led the Browns to where they are now. Good luck with that. That's where that four years of void money came from too. At some point it will come down to eating a bunch of dead money over many years because that's what AB does with big contracts. Whether that happens now or later is the only question remaining. Whether that is Myles, watson or others. He kicks the can down the road. Another thing that has led the Browns to where they are now.