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Minshew Mania!?

kIcKiN dAt cAn!

He had a great year. That's a lot of money for a bit of a one year wonder. I wonder how much is guaranteed.

Minshew and Darnold are in play and we should be able to sign them if we want them

49'ers are big sellers.

The Bengals are UNwilling to pay a guy who WANTS to be there...even though he's a top player at his position. They will likely get a nice haul in a trade.

The Browns are WILLING to pay top dollar to a superstar who DOES NOT want to be there. We will likely get a hold-in and miss the opportunity to cash in that chip.

I don't think this current FO could have created a worse position if doing such were the goal.

I think you overestimate what Cinci will get. They probably won't get much, or teams will just wait for them to let him go because the Bengals historically don't spend cash and are already committing to Chase and Higgins. The Bengals Beat seems pretty doom and gloom about the Hendrickson situation.

And yet they have been more successful than the Browns.

When they had a QB and stud receivers on rookie deals. Now that they're paying a QB and looking at paying WRs, and facing other attendant/resulting problems now, we'll see how it goes.

Yes, they drafted a true franchise QB's and didn't miss. We drafted Mayfield when both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were available. That is the difference between the two teams.

That's the way it works when you don't give away multiple first round picks. You can actually invest those picks into building your team. One way seems to have worked while the other didn't.

And then gave away the cornerstone of what teams use to build a team, first round draft picks, three of them for a much worse QB. It helps to finish the story you started. I mean if you really want to be honest about telling the story of why we are where we are now.

I don't care about Jackson... But I'd gladly take Josh Allen..

I wish Mayfield were still a Brown.. I also wish we had kept our 1st round picks. No doubt we'd have had to get another QB to stand in while Baker healed up... Look at him now.

Said it before and I'll say it again, I never ever liked the Watson deal.. There was NO part of it that didn't stink

We made the playoffs more than they did the last two years.

Miracles can happen if you pull the right QB off the couch. But we both know that has nothing to do with building a team.

Watson's 6 games here in 2022 were better than Baker's 6 games in Carolina in 2022. One subsequently got worse. One got better. There are no guarantees on the field. Sometimes things click. Sometimes things break. The failed investment absolutely sucks. Hopefully Haslam better sticks to value now than just spending whatever it takes to get whatever he wants.

I detest the front office/ coach stating they bring in only high character guys, then Watson costs us 5 years of development and picks, and Hall has issues right out of the gate---- Texans KNEW what they were unloading and all we saw was past performance/ SB wishes then we get hosed with suspension AND pay him.....idiots.

So you isolated it to six games huh? You can take a paragraph out of a book and claim that tells the story too. But it doesn't.

I'm not sure who "wanted it". But at the very least Haslam was convinced by someone that the Browns needed it.

I "isolated it" to the season immediately following the move.

Maybe it was the voice in his head?

Maybe it's the body of evidence if one is willing to look at it objectively.

I never know what you're story is going to be from day to day, forum to forum or post to post. It seems to change as often as the tide.

You have said repeatedly for weeks how you will never have a competitive team without getting your QB. Something I certainly agree with. Now, today you seem to be putting up arguments against teams that have found their QB's by suggesting it doesn't matter. The Bengals drafted Burrows which is one of the top 10 and possibly the top 5 QB's in the NFL. When it's pointed out they got their QB it turned into "But we made the playoffs in the last two years but they didn't."

Tampa Bay got their QB in Baker and you resort to "But Watson played better in those first six games".

Either these teams are better because they actually got their QB's or the fact they got their QB's made no real difference. A game of semantic being played has no real impact on that.

Meanwhile the Browns gave up three first round draft picks which is one of the main reasons they have more holes to fill than they do cap space and draft picks to fix it.

It can't be both no matter the the arguments you keep inventing.

Oh Come on. Everyone on the planet knows that the first year back after a severe injury is tough on any player. Few have come back to full strength in one year. Overall, Baker has been much better by a lot.

I know. They knew. That's why they went a different direction. That's pretty much what I've been saying forever. Jimmy thought he had a shot at a SuperBowl that year. Some don't come back from serious injury ever. A bad time to be looking to get paid. The timing was a big factor in the move. It didn't happen in a vacuum. It was we're in our window and our QB isn't right.

j/c...

Darnold to Seattle?

LOL - "impeding their breathing" - like choking the chit out of them.