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(Bloomberg) -- US President Donald Trump said his predecessor’s 11th-hour pardons of members of Congress who investigated the January 6 insurrection were “void, vacant and of no further force or effect,” signaling his administration may attempt to upend more than a century of law and practice for presidential pardons.

In a statement on his Truth Social platform just after midnight Monday Washington time, Trump said the pardons were void because Joe Biden signed them with an autopen. His comments follow similar arguments from the conservative Heritage Foundation that Biden used an autopen based on seemingly identical signatures found on several Biden documents. Trump in his Truth Social post did not present any evidence.

The pardon power has long been considered one of the most absolute powers a president has — and courts have been reluctant to put any limits on how they’re granted. While Trump acknowledged the courts should ultimately decide on the validity of the pardons, his comments open the possibility that the Justice Department may attempt to prosecute some of the president’s biggest political adversaries.

They include former Representative Liz Cheney, retired General Mark Milley and infectious diseases expert Anthony Fauci, all pardoned on the last day of Biden’s presidency after Trump had threatened on the campaign trail to prosecute them.

“It’s not my decision — that’ll be up to a court — but I would say that they’re null and void, because I’m sure Biden didn’t have any idea that it was taking place, and somebody was using an auto pen to sign off and to give pardons,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Sunday night.

A 2024 federal appeals court decision said a pardon doesn’t even have to be in writing. “The answer is undoubtedly no,” the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled. “The plain language of the Constitution imposes no such limit.”

A 1929 Justice Department opinion held that “neither the Constitution nor statute prescribed the method by which executive clemency shall be exercised or evidenced. It is wholly for the president to decide.”

The George W. Bush administration cited that opinion in defending Bush’s use of the autopen, a robotic instrument that presidents have used for decades to keep up with the volumes of routine correspondence they have to sign.

But its use has been controversial because it casts into question whether the president personally approved the action.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-biden-pardons-void-064802355.html

Look at this guy... suddenly all worried about the finer points of applicable law.

Hmmm, what is trump setting the stage for

Carful what you wish for Donald. Your pardons could face the same someday.

Im sure there is no law against it. He is just making crap up again.

Oh I see trump is sure so that makes it void....

I declare the J6 pardons unlawful as they were enacted by an illegitimate POTUS. Lock em up!

What I said above, is exactly how much power Trump has to reverse Biden’s pardons. But do let’s keep bickering over the daily turd from Trump instead of talking about how billionaires are financially raping and pillaging our government and our wallets. FFS somebody make it make sense.

Talking about trump and Musk is talking about billionaires.

Is this frickin MORON trying to tell us that he signed every single pardon he gave out... From the last term in office?

Further, did he sign each and every EO?

Autopen has been the generally accepted practice since it was introduced.

The pardons should be void because Biden never knew about them. His dementia is severe and someone else was running the country. Biden probably didn't know about most things going on in the white house. This is the man who can't find his way off a stage and tried to shake hands with imaginary people. That's my conspiracy theory for the day and you can't change my mind.

I see you took my advice and found another way to display your ignorance. Good for you!

You can pontificate all you want about Grandpa Joe, the simple fact is that there is no legal/medical proof to support your claim..

Just like election fraud, claim anything you want, proof of fact is a different matter.

So the Parkinson's Dr visiting him 10 times in a year doesn't mean anything to you?

j/c:

I'm glad this is being looked into, no matter what the outcome is and who looks end up being made foolish. There are so many questionable things that happen with the Biden administration to due his OBVIOUS cognitive issues. Dave Smith outlines it perfectly with past questionable actions of the past administration.

The only reason you say he didn't know is Trump told you he didn't know. Now if you got some other proof, I'm listening. What's funny about that is Trump lies damn near every time he opens mouth... I mean, did they stop eating dogs and cats in Springfield yet? Did the price of Eggs drop on his first day in office?

It's like he's spawned an entire race of Sheepeople. They believe every word that mindless idiot says.

Since we're just throwing out baseless accusations....

I bet Trump is doing this through social media, (and not officially), because he probably doesn't want the same scrutiny.

Based on what exactly?


At least you call it what it is and know that facts are not a part of it and you onnly believe it because you want to.

Murica! Freedumb!

Again a Dr. visit is not a clinical diagnosis or legal finding of mental capability or lack thereof. Conspiracy all you want, the point is mute now.

Again a Dr. visit is not a clinical diagnosis or legal finding of mental capability or lack thereof. Conspiracy all you want, the point is mute now.

It's a whole new level. Never once had any one of them had any thought that this might be a thing. It doesn't pass any sense of the common sense test whatsoever. But as soon as Orangey opens his mouth, the conclusions are drawn.

If you went to a specialist Dr 10 times in a year, would one not infer you have a problem requiring said specialist Dr? Why would you go to a specialist Dr 10 times if you didn't need his expertise?

Libtards lack reading comprehension. I said it was my conspriacy theory. I am not aware of Trump saying that. But if he did, all the better!

People "infer" all kinds of BS. And it wasn't 10 times. Your memory seems a little fuzzy. Maybe you have Parkinsons.

I prefer the pre-MAGA Eve… she had a functional brain. Just saying.

Well the Libertarian Party can't get their crap together.

No reason to start licking the big glass popsicles… STOP-AND-BREATHE.

I would hope they're further ahead than the Democrats.

When all else fails there's always hope.