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Let's see some receipts...

Lefties are really good at making messes, not good at all at cleaning up after themselves, but they excel at criticizing, complaining and attacking people who are making a good faith effort at cleaning up the mess the lefties made. I cannot think of a better example of this than the current immigration fiasco, soon to be known in the history books as the Biden border debacle.

If I could be so bold as to offer a suggestion, perhaps you should direct your angst, your ire, your attacks at the person who made all this not just possible, but absolutely necessary. The person without whom this would not be happening. To do that you lefties just need to walk into the bathroom, turn on the light and look into the mirror.

Because it was the lefties who voted for a president who didn’t give a crap about our border. It was the lefties who voted for a president who tore down all the actions Trump took to make the border more secure. A president who willingly dumped 10,12, 15 million unvetted illegals into our country. Who sat back while Americans were hurt by people who had no right to be here. A president who allowed thousands of gang members into our country… All right, all right, I concede they only took over a few apartment complexes, but still…..a president whose policies welcomed a couple of thousand people into our country who are on the terrorist watch list.

Had this president not been elected and allowed to do such incredible damage this wholesale effort would not have been necessary. But now the job is huge and a piece meal effort will not do. We are dealing with humans so mistakes will be made, and they need to be corrected and we move on. We are dealing with multiple millions of illegals who need to be removed and the longer they are here the more likely it is that more Americans will be injured.

This Abrego Garcia guy was, I believe found by two court rulings to be a gang members, a gang that has been ruled a terrorist group, so my tear ducts are not flowing for him. He is an El Salvador citizen I believe, so he is really right where he belongs. Let them decide if he merits imprisonment.

Final thought. As I have listened to these lefties on tv bewailing what has happened to this guy, I am struck by the number of them I never heard utter a peep about the family of Lakin Riley or any of the others other victims of illegals criminal activity. It was also nice to see that one of the victims of the Biden border debacle got some justice yesterday. The murderer of Rachel Morin was convicted. Hopefully he will never see the light of day, at least in our country.

You were clear. You're wrong, though. This guy did NOT go all the way through the process. That is the heartburn, here.

Trump is doing a great job at stopping immigrants from crossing the border. The people who commit terrible and heinous crimes should be held accountable for the crimes they commit. What shouldn't happen is someone who committed no such crimes be compared to those who did. The Lakin Riley murder was widely covered by all news sources. Stop pretending as though you were watching what you call liberal news stations to see if they were covering the Lakin Riley murder. You weren't and you know it. But maybe in a back handed way that's what you meant..................


You can never her something you never listened for in the first place...................

Caring daughter, good friend and devout Christian: Heartbroken loved ones paint portrait of Laken Riley after her killing

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/22/us/who-was-laken-riley/index.html

Man accused of killing Laken Riley found guilty on all counts

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/j...s-in-killing-of-laken-riley-224985669668

The guilt of Laken Riley's killer was never in doubt

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/analy...ley-murder-guilty-jose-ibarra-rcna181256

Now you've heard of it.

It's hilarious how folks find it so easy to forget that the border fiasco is one that's gone back many many admins, spanning both parties. You can only assign blame to one side with a lot of help from willful ignorance.

Then using that as a jumping off point to argue for completely short-circuiting a basic tenet of our justice system? Dude, just move to Russia (but stay away from windows).


Abrego Garcia was NOT found to be a gang-member. He was denied bond based on the accusation, but legally he was not determined to be a gang-member. I've already posted a link explaining the process, and where the process was not allowed to be finished. That may not matter to you, but it does matter to people that want law and order.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/laken-riley-suspect-guilty-murder/story?id=116030068

Laken Riley's murderer was found guilty and sentenced to life. Justice served.

Trump and his admin are playing silly games now. Constitutional crisis silly games. It’s almost time to strap up and use force to take this country back. Don’t want to play by the rules of the constitution, reap the whirlwind of the peoples power. Pitchforks are cheap. Trump is retarded and unfit to hold the office.

If you want to compare the Biden adin's border actions and policies to any other, there's no sense in even having a conversation imo.

It's like excusing the actions of an arsonist by saying fire has always been bad.

Biden’s not POTUS. Donny dictator is. Get a grip man, you’re fighting to give the country to oligarchs. WTH is wrong with people who can’t see this. Elon isn’t finding savings, he’s wrecking our digital control of our own government and sharing data with the Russians. Time to bounce these fools.

So should I take your and keith's last posts as your exit strategy from debating the merits of deporting people that, according to our own laws, weren't supposed to be deported? Because that amounts to "I'm knowingly breaking the law and tearing apart the fabric of our justice system because the old guy made me do it... and all you in the Judicial can shove it"?

If so, you're right about having a convo.

You trying to blame Biden for being the arsonist of a fire that was already burning.

And yes, I just posted a series of ridiculous over the top posts because That IS how MAGA argues. Can’t wait until the day I can read that DJT is no more. Can’t wait.

Constitutional crisis, threat to democracy, fascist, blah, blah, blah, wash, rinse, repeat, get curb stomped.

I'm not sure if you haven't been paying attention or simply refuse to see it, but when you threaten to ban the license of networks who don't report the news you want them to and say things you don't like..... or when you demand investigations of your political enemies, you are entering into the realm of fascism. And all of your blah, blah, blahs won't change that.

Those are two different issues - and if you try to answer the one question/issue by bringing up the other issue then it (in my mind) lets the Trump/Maga supporters off the hook by making things muddy.

1. When a person is legally processed and sentanced to being deported .... Is everyone OK with the idea that the person concerned should have no right to remain in the USA?
1A. Stephen Miller claimed/stated that the Democrats and media think the guy snetenced (is sentanced the correct term?) should then be allowed to stay in the USA. . . WHO? Where? Give me an example --- or is this just one of the lies this administration spins on the back of real issues to get the Trumptards frothing. Lies like DOGE is going to save trillions and the Dems are against it because they are for waste. Lies like $50M was earmarked for condoms for Hamas/Gaza.

that's one topic all by itself. I personally think it's worthwhile verifying that no-one believes the legally processed individual who is set for deportation has any right or justification to stay in the USA.

Next and separate issue:

Which Trump supporters and Maga supporters are FOR the process of removing people from the USA without due process? Essentially the same question I asked a while back probably promted by Trump's administration ignoring a court order. . . . Are we a nation of laws? Certainly, as you mentioned, they are deporting people without due process. And you have Trumptards (on this very board) saying anyone questioning that wants rapists and gangbangers to stay in the USA.

Due process and how/where the individuals are being deported to without due process is a separate - more serious issue. But, to me, addressing this claim that Democrats and the media want the people who have been thru due process to reamain by immediately talking about those not having been given due process gives them Trump supporter, Maga supporters a way to deflect and muddy things.

jmo

interesting

awkward.

There has been zero evidence that this man is an MS13 gang member.

It's odd how proud you seem to be that a pack of dogs attacked a reporter. So very trumpian of you.

They hate our Country they want criminals on the streets they deserve what they get!

I rest my case.

This man has no criminal record. Try to pay attention next time.

He is a gang member. There is documentation that proves that. He supports terrorists. He needed to be removed. If we would not have let so many of these criminals in our country in the first place, we would not have had to deport so many of them.

See, FATE, there are people on both sides.

The court no longer found him to be a danger. That's why he was released from custody and given a work permit. I'll put thus in bold this time. He has no criminal record! Not here nor in El Salvador.

There has been zero evidence shown that he "supports terrorists".

The court ordered he NOT be deported to El Salvador. You still aren't paying attention are you?

Ignoring and defying a Supreme Court order is, breaking the law. Typical Trump, breaking the law to get his punk ass way again. Seems Goper’s only prosecute laws they agree with. Pffft. Not to mention El Salvador gets $20,000 a head for these deportations. Follow the money and watch who gets tariffs on their goods. Not on Russia not on El Salvador. Concentration camps in both of those countries. You could be next.

Very awkward.

Do you understand the difference between a bond hearing and a court actually determining if a person is guilty of what they are accused? In this case, the accusation that he was a member of a gang is enough to withhold bond. He appealed that and lost.

What did NOT happen is the court going through the accusation/evidence and determine that it's true. Post a clever tweet of an actual completed court case.

There is plenty of documentation that ALLEGES that. Nothing was proven.

I am really having a hard time with how difficult this is with the MAGA folks on here. You claim to be patriots and love America... so why are you so at odds with many of the foundational aspects of our democracy and our justice system?

I say this with all honesty, this thread is horrifying. We have an admin that admitted that they mistakenly sent someone they shouldn't have off to an El Salvadoran prison. It's been shown that due process was not followed. Admin reacts with "meh", while in the next breath Trump has been recorded more than once saying he'd be in favor of doing the same to US citizens.

Bottom line, trump broke the law and had him deported before due process, defying a SC order. Crickets from the right on Trump breaking the law. They love locking up innocents for torture in concentration camps.

Please come try.

It doesn’t matter what they’ve accused this guy of being without due process it’s just another lie. Bring him back IN CUSTODY and give him his day in court. The AMERICAN WAY, remember America? Maga is a freak show.

As soon as I have a spare 5 minutes.

You want to go ahead and tell me where I'm debating that he should be deported? You libs are pretty predictable though. You waited and waited for a poster child and now you want to scream and cry about one illegal alien, or wait, "Maryland father" getting the wrong end of the stick. I can not express how little I care about this case. But I'll sum it up by saying "it's unfortunate". Now he's in El Salvador, where he is an actual citizen. Sorry about your luck, kid. He also kept lying through the immigration process until he got something to stick -- all based on the fact that he was in fear of his life because some gang in El Salvador tried to rob his mom's donut shop or some dumb ish. Good news for him -- that gang was snuffed out years ago. He should be good now.

Your last (p)resident ushered in 10s of millions of illegals so the party would have a couple generations of flesh blood. If you can't see and admit that, you're stupid, point blank stupid. Now this president has to clean it up. I guess it's easy to get past the biggest border disaster in the history of man. I guess it's easy to get past the last few years of cities being overrun and real Americans losing resources... as long as there's a new sob story to slobber all over though.


Here's how due process should look: "Did you report to ICE within 90 days like you were told? No?? Buh-bye".
"Did you commit as crime? Buh-bye."
"Are you in a gang? Buh bye."

Here's how you all think due process should look:
Everybody gets a court date (as if we need to actually prove they're here illegally)
Everybody gets to appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals
Then they can file a petition for review with a federal Court of Appeals
Then, by all means, even though they were guilty before any case started, they can appeal to the Supreme Court.

So what... about ten hours of court per person?
Cool. Then if every Immigration judge works on this full time, and works on nothing else, this will only take 137 years.

I hate to break it to you, but it is NOT going to work that way. You can b*tch and moan all the way through the process, picking out one poster child after another. Those that stand for justice and sovereignty will cheer you on, because it will just lead to more curb-stompings.

Keep it up! 🤣

I am not sure what evidence you are looking for? I agree we probably aren't doing backflips to get him back, but you/we don't know what is happening behind the scenes.

I am sure if El Salvador decides to release him, we will have some sort of transport awaiting.

I just find it funny how the only argument in here that's actually truthful is "... but Biden!".

Yes, I was waiting for a poster child... but only because this exact situation was so predictable. There was no way this was NOT going to happen. That said, and I can only speak for myself... but I can sincerely tell you that if this admin had made the conscious decision to... you know... follow our law (!), then I'd be right there next to you in this whole debate.

Cards on the table... this dude is prolly a 'banger. But the convo, thanks to this admin, is no longer about whether this guy WOULD HAVE probably been deported anyway... it's about how this admin views the laws of the land. Due process and checks and balances are only speedbumps (if that) to this admin. Despite what Fox news is feeding you all, this is a big deal, and this is scary.

When (not if) voters get tired of the chaos and decide to swing way back to the left, I can't even imagine the outrage when they take the Trump playbook and aim it at the Left's boogiemen.


Wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter who's doing it or whatever BS excuses they put out there to try to justify it (and "...but Biden!" is absolutely BS). Steamrolling things like due process is wrong. If you don't like the process/laws in place, then change them. Your boy has every branch of the govt and what little resistance there is from the DNC is too weak-knee'd to do anything but shout at clouds. There is absolutely zero excuse for treating something like due process as an option.

That's a fair post. FATE, you yourself referred to Trump as a "bull in a China shop." You don't think this is along those same lines?

I didn't realise that's what I thunk. Thanks for letting me know.

I wonder if that's a strawman argument or just simple BS.

What we "know" is a court ordered them to show measures they were taking to get him back and they refuse to do that. More of their illegal BS. Yet it seems you support that.

That's his excuse as to why you can not just deport illegals, which makes perfect sense, but to also send them to a foreign prison with no due process. Somehow he thinks trying to blend these two things together as one will go unnoticed. They are not even close to the same thing.

There was a court order specifically in place that the one place they could not deport him to was El Salvador. They not only broke that court order, they sent him to a prison while there with no criminal charges filed and no due process.

The fact that people can even come on here and try to make excuses for that shows just how far this nation is falling.

It's NOT bs. If I'm understanding what he's trying to get at, he's making a legit point... that has little to no bearing on the crux of the conversation (at least how I see it).

Should it be easier/faster to deport people that clearly should be deported? Sure! Does that give anyone (let alone the person responsible for executing on our laws as they're written) license to ignore certain laws because they're inconvenient? No... never has and never will (until we decide we will be more like Russia/China/NKorea).


The unfortunate part of his argument is that the process that he facetiously described is closer to reality than the process he (and we) would want that he described just prior. But again... if you don't like the laws, you change them. You don't ignore them.

Judge finds probable cause to hold Trump administration in contempt over deportation flights
The Trump administration used a rarely used wartime law to deport people the administration claimed were members of a Venezuelan gang deemed a “foreign terrorist organization.”


By Chloe Atkins and Rebecca Shabad
WASHINGTON — A federal judge said in an order Wednesday that he has found probable cause to hold the Trump administration in criminal contempt over the deportation flights that it sent to El Salvador.


Trump administration live updates: President and Japanese officials to talk trade
“If Defendants opt to purge their contempt, they shall file by April 23, 2025, a declaration explaining the steps they have taken and will take to do so," U.S. District Judge James Boasberg wrote.



Boasberg said “the Court ultimately determines that the Government’s actions on that day demonstrate a willful disregard for its Order, sufficient for the Court to conclude that probable cause exists to find the Government in criminal contempt.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...inistration-contempt-deportat-rcna201569

US judge presses Trump administration on its refusal to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia
By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN and BEN FINLEY
Updated 7:12 PM GMT-4, April 15, 2025

GREENBELT, Md. (AP) — A federal judge said Tuesday that she will order sworn testimony by Trump administration officials to determine if they complied with her orders to facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to a notorious El Salvador prison.

U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis in Maryland issued her order after Trump officials continually refused to retrieve Abrego Garcia. She said they defied a “clear” Supreme Court order.

She also downplayed Monday’s comments by White House officials and El Salvador’s president that they were unable to bring back Abrego Garcia, describing their statements as “two very misguided ships passing in the night.”

“The Supreme Court has spoken,” Xinis said, adding that what was said in the Oval Office on Monday “is not before the court.”


In her written order published Tuesday evening, Xinis called for the testimony of four Trump administration officials who work for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department.


She expects the process to last about two weeks. Xinis wrote that Trump administration officials “have done nothing at all” toward returning Abrego Garcia. But, she wrote, they “remain obligated, at a minimum, to take the steps available to them toward aiding, assisting, or making easier Abrego Garcia’s release.”


The hearing came a day after White House advisers repeated the claim that they lack the authority to bring back the Salvadoran national from his native country. The president of El Salvador also said Monday that he would not return Abrego Garcia, likening it to smuggling “a terrorist into the United States.”

Abrego Garcia’s deportation has become a flashpoint as President Donald Trump follows up on campaign promises of mass deportations, including to an El Salvador prison. Following Tuesday’s hearing, a crowd outside the federal court house in Maryland chanted, “What do we want? Due process. When do we want it? Now!”

An attorney for Abrego Garcia said contempt proceedings could be the logical next step after the fact-finding phase. “This is still a win, and this is still progress,” Rina Ghandi said. “We’re not done yet, though.”

Abrego Garcia’s wife, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, said shortly before Tuesday’s hearing that he was working hard to achieve the American dream for his family.

“That dream was shattered on March 12th when he was abducted and disappeared by the United States government in front of our 5-year-old-child,” she said. “Today is 34 days after his disappearance ... I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive.”

Meanwhile, Democratic U.S. Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland said he’ll travel to El Salvador on Wednesday.

“My hope is to visit Kilmar and check on his wellbeing and to hold constructive conversations with government officials around his release,” Van Hollen said.

Abrego Garcia, 29, lived in the U.S. for roughly 14 years, during which he worked construction, got married and was raising three children with disabilities, according to court records.

A U.S. immigration judge had shielded Abrego Garcia from deportation to El Salvador in 2019, ruling that he would likely face persecution there by local gangs that had terrorized his family. He also was given a federal permit to work in the United States, where he was a metal worker and union member, according to Abrego Garcia’s lawyers.

But the Trump administration expelled Abrego Garcia to El Salvador last month anyway. Administration officials later described the mistake as “an administrative error” but insisted that Abrego Garcia was a member of the MS-13 gang.

Abrego Garcia was never charged with a crime and has denied the allegations. His attorneys have pointed out that the criminal informant claimed he was a member of MS-13 in Long Island, New York, where he has never lived.

Xinis had ordered the Trump administration in early April to bring Abrego Garcia back. And the U.S. Supreme Court agreed last week that the U.S. government must “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release.

But the White House has balked at trying to broker his return, arguing the courts can’t intrude on the president’s diplomacy powers.

Xinis ordered the U.S. on Friday to provide daily status updates on plans to return Abrego Garcia. The Trump administration responded the next day, saying he was alive in the El Salvador prison. But it has only doubled down on its decision not to tell a federal court whether it has any plans to repatriate Abrego Garcia.

In a filing Tuesday afternoon, Trump administration attorneys said the government is prepared to facilitate his return. But they said that his protection from being deported to El Salvador would be removed, and that he could be deported back to El Salvador or to a third country, they said.

In a court filing Tuesday, Abrego Garcia’s lawyers rejected the idea that the U.S. lacks the authority to retrieve him. They noted that the U.S. is paying El Salvador to hold prisoners, including Abrego Garcia, and “can exercise those same contractual rights to request their release.”

Bukele struck a deal under which the U.S. will pay about $6 million for El Salvador to imprison Venezuelan immigrants for a year. Trump has said openly that he would also favor El Salvador taking custody of American citizens who have committed violent crimes, which is likely illegal.


https://apnews.com/article/kilmar-a...eported-e537cfb69a9840046b5d3e512509e9a8