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DEPO does not MAKE football decisions. I have made that clear on here.

DEPO does not MAKE football decisions. I have made that clear on here.

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Is it safe to say our Super Bowl window has slammed shut?

Hey GM - if this is a question you can answer or even attempt to shed light on I'd be interested .... who in your opinion was the person most interested in trading for DW? Was it KS because he had lost trust in and there was friction with baker? Was it Berry who perhaps thought DW was the guy to relieve the friction between Baker and HC? Was it Depo who might have done a deep dive on the analytics and found DW in his hey day was a difference maker? Or owner who wanted to make a splash/headlines/saw Fastrack to SB contender?

I've always held a belief/guess that Depo must have been very high on DW for the owner and rest of the FO to go so hard for him. Or put another way - if all Dep does is present data ... Depo must have been very high on what the data represented? But that's exactly what I said: opinion/guess. I could be 100% wrong.

What does the NFLPA survey have to do with this???

It’s the players view. Probably the closest we can come to find out what’s going on inside Berea.

If you really care about the Browns getting better then you shouldn’t be afraid of making a fair valuation about the two of the most important employees in the organization.
The same way we after every game and when the season ends evaluate the players I think it’s fair to evaluate the leadership after five season into their tenure, especially when the owners has renewing the contracts for another five seasons.

Are they exceeding your expectations or not? That’s fair question and it gives a good indicator about how well they will probably do in the future.

When they start their job with making a pretty bold statement about improving the culture and implement three important standards, toughness - smartness - accountability, isn’t it fair to evaluate if they have succeed or not?

I just want to point out how these are graded.



The Browns provide daycare on gameday. They are one of only 10 teams that do not offer a family room during home games.

Players rate the post-game family area 5.30 out of 10, ranking them 31 out of 32 teams.
The players feel that the team organizes family events several times a year, which ranks 15 out of 32.

The players believe that the coaches’ families are treated better than players’ families. For example, the coaches’ families have a post-game meet up inside the stadium, while the players’ families meet in a tent in the parking lot.
So we have a bad rating because we provide day care for the games but we don't offer a family room for all the families. We do however provide a family room for after the games but it's not fancy enough. The team organizes family events but not enough to keep everybody happy.



Food / Dining Area
Grade/Rank
C-
26th out of 32 teams

The Cleveland Browns rate the taste of their team’s food 6.57 out of 10, a ranking of 27 out of 32.
They rate the freshness of their food 7.42 out of 10, a ranking of 25 out of 32.
The players rate their dining area 7.15 out of 10, ranking it 29 out of 32 NFL team dining areas.


Opinions vary but I can say the food is better than most things I order at restaurants.



Nutritionist / Dietician
Grade/Rank
B-
26th out of 32 teams

82% of players report that they get an individualized nutrition plan, ranking the Browns 17 out of 32 teams.
The players feel that their team dietician is moderately accessible, a ranking of 26 out of 32.



Locker Room
Grade/Rank
F-
31st out of 32 teams

39% of players feel they have enough room in their individual lockers, a ranking of 32 out of 32.
29% of players feel the locker room size is adequate, ranking the Browns 31 out of 32 teams.

I'm seeing a real pattern here. Most of these complaints can be fixed with a new stadium, and some work in Berea HMMMMMMMM seams to me both are in the process already.


teams.

Training Room
Grade/Rank
D+
31st out of 32 teams

79% of Browns players feel they have enough full-time trainers, ranking them 27 out of 32 teams.
68% of players feel they have enough full-time physical therapists, a rank of 28 out of 32.
50% of players feel they have enough hot tub space, a rank of 32 out of 32.
71% of players feel they have enough cold tub space, a rank of 29 out of 32.

The players report that the training room is understaffed. Since the players responded to the survey, the Browns have hired two additional staff members, improving coverage significantly.




Training Staff
Grade/Rank
C-
32nd out of 32 teams

69% of Browns players report that they receive enough one-on-one training treatment, ranking them 31 out of 32 teams.
The players feel that the training staff slightly contributes to their overall success, ranking them 32 of 32.




Weight Room
Grade/Rank
A
8th out of 32 teams

The players report that the weight room equipment is high quality, ranking them 8 out of 32 teams.
The players feel that they have more than enough room to train in the weight room, a ranking of 9 out of 32.

The Browns built a brand-new state-of-the-art weight room this past offseason.


Strength Coaches
Grade/Rank
B+
19th out of 32 teams

96% of players report that they get an individualized training plan from their strength coaching staff, ranking the team 10 out of 32.
The players feel that their strength coaches moderately contribute to their overall success, a rank of 22 out of 32 teams.



Team Travel
Grade/Rank
D
28th out of 32 teams

60% of the Browns players believe they have a comfortable amount of personal space on team flights, ranking them 27 out of 32.
The players feel that their team’s travel schedule is not very efficient, a rank of 28 out of 32 teams.



Head Coach
Grade/Rank
C
30th out of 32 teams

67% of Browns players feel their head coach Kevin Stefanski is efficient with their time, a rank of 29 out of 32.
The players feel that Stefanski is moderately receptive to locker room feedback on the team’s needs, ranking him 30 of 32 head coaches in the league.


Ownership
Grade/Rank
C+
22nd out of 32 teams

Owner Jimmy Haslam’s average rating for perceived willingness to invest in the facilities is 7.98 out of 10 from the Browns players, a ranking of 21 out of 32 owners in the league.
The players believe that ownership slightly contributes to a positive team culture, a rank of 29 out of 32.
The players feel that ownership is somewhat committed to building a competitive team, a rank of 29 of the 32 NFL owners.

I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.

Pick a side. Is Stefanski having a hard time winning because Berry is giving him the talent to win with but Stefanski can't get the job done? Or is Berry not giving Stefanski the talent to win with?

Unless the "they" you refer to is someone else. You seem to want to have it both ways. From what I've witnessed Stefanski has done rather well with not having a QB that anyone else in the NFL would consider a starter.

Please don’t get Mac going about the strength and conditioning issue.....

🤣 First thing I thought of when I saw that list again!

So Berry is a failure but somehow it's also Stefanski's fault because he isn't a rah rah gut on the sidelines?

Let me tell you the story you have promoted over time. And you're not alone. If Stefanski calls the most predictable play and it fails it you hear something like this, "Why did he call that play? They knew that was coming!"

If he calls an unpredictable play and it doesn't work we hear, "Why would he call a play like that? That's not a play you call in that situation!"

The Browns can be goal to goal from the 3 yard line. Everyone and their brother expects a run play. So do you run a play the opposing D is expecting you to run and is set up to stop or do you call the unexpected play? In Stefanksi's case the fan base plays you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I think the fan base has been more than patient with Kevin. There’re of course those who criticize everything (and I unfortunately sometimes falls in to that category) but in general the criticism has been quite fair and accurate.

His game management has flaws.

That’s not the same as he has a weak personality just that there’s room for improvements on that area.
He isn’t that typical charismatic leader with a talent for communication and a natural authority. Kevin Stefanski is more of a school teacher. Correct and with a low intensity approach.
You see that in his press conferences. Often repeating the same mantra about doing better and almost never he loses his temper or show some passion, either negativ or positive emotional energy that creates engagement.

When it comes to calling plays it’s both wine and water. He has done magic most of the time when he has a good QB like a healthy Mayfield, or an experienced senior like Flacco.
Both of them are good at reading the defense, process information quite fast and can throw the ball fairly accurate. At the same time both of them have a tendency to make unnecessary throws in tight situations. For me there was no surprise that Flacco did well in his few games with us in 2023. Similar situation to when Baker played with the Rams.

Both Baker and Joe Flacco have shown that they can succeed in the right environment.

It only took Sean McVay a couple of hours to create a bond with Baker and inspire him to be the best version of himself despite being in an all time low with limited confidence and short of future options. Not many had immediately performed with so much belief like Baker did in such a pressing situation.

Todd Bowles took his time to evaluate Baker’s strengths and weaknesses and with a good understanding of how to deal with personalities like Baker and his experienced leadership he almost when the season started got the best version of Baker.

That’s how natural talented leaders deals with young men who often need guidance and encouragement to understand how to use their talent in the best possible way.

This’s one of the reasons I don’t see Stefanski as an elite HC.
Maybe in the future but as it stands there’s nothing in his past leadership that point in a direction of him being a natural authority.

It's odd how people who have never coached football in their life have made themselves self appointed experts in NFL game management. I'm not surprised by that but it's quite odd none the less.

Baker was still very immature when he was here. I find it hard to believe he would have done as well had he have stayed here. But after facing adversity and being forced to grow up or lose his NFL career he did grow up and mature. Say what you want about the division he plays in his numbers don't lie. He has developed into a very good QB.

Then again, if the Browns would have followed the advice of some of these self appointed experts, they wouldn't be in this hellish position.