LOL - talent level of DTR. DTR has/had no talent - should never have been drafted. Gabriel far superior in every way - if you can't see that, you have no clue.
DTR was a duel threat QB that was drafted right where he should have been. I think expectations need to be in check here. We came away with two new QB prospects, but they were also drafted where they should have been... which means there is about a 3% chance of Gabriel being a success and to date 0% chance for Sanders. There has never been a successful QB drafted in the 5th round. 6th and 7th round are actually more successful, but only by about 1%.
We really need to stay the course and realize it is most likely going to be Joe Flacco as long as his old ass will hold out in 2025. Then, we still need to be finding our answer at QB in the 2026 draft hopefully.
Yet you posted that right after the Browns drafted Sanders. You're not fooling anyone here. Teams always have three QB's. Sometimes only two on the active roster but three on the teams total roster. If you think that Gabriel isn't much more talented than DTR you haven't been paying attention. That's a you problem. Everyone who has been paying attention knows better than that.
The NFL is not midget league football Gabriel has no chance.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Yet you posted that right after the Browns drafted Sanders. You're not fooling anyone here. Teams always have three QB's. Sometimes only two on the active roster but three on the teams total roster. If you think that Gabriel isn't much more talented than DTR you haven't been paying attention. That's a you problem. Everyone who has been paying attention knows better than that.
The NFL is not midget league football Gabriel has no chance.
That...and he had the audacity to beat the Buckeyes.
PFF listed Gabriel as one of the drafts biggest reaches. Drafted 70 spots higher than his projections. This pick was a head scratcher with very good prospects at Safety and Offensive Line, and Wide Receiver. Terrible pick. Andrew Berry has selected 3 QB's DTR, Gabriel, and Sanders. Sanders is easily the best of the 3 but there were still better QB's like Will Howard on the board. Now Howard is a Steeler and that will haunt the Browns for a decade or so. Ankle bitters like Gabriel cannot compete against that. I do not want Berry selecting the Browns future FQB next year's draft. If he cannot see the difference in a good college QB under 6 foot that does not translate to the NFL. You would have thought he would have learned that watching DTR start for multiple games. It is painful to watch,
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Gabriel was a better college QB than Will Howard. How that will translate to the pros is anyone's guess. The only advantage Howard has on Gabriel is size. JMO
If the Steelers are all in on making Howard their new fQB, color me relieved. He's Bubby Brister with four more ham sandwiches in his belly, a slightly higher IQ and a weaker arm.
And yet again the Browns search for a franchise QB has sunk to new lows. Dillon Gabriel is a new Definition of average. He can't throw from the pocket Consistently. His arm strength doesn't make you go wow He does nothing special. Can he elevate the talent around him? No. He actually limits what a offense can do. He is poor man's Kenny Pickett.
Yet you posted that right after the Browns drafted Sanders. You're not fooling anyone here. Teams always have three QB's. Sometimes only two on the active roster but three on the teams total roster. If you think that Gabriel isn't much more talented than DTR you haven't been paying attention. That's a you problem. Everyone who has been paying attention knows better than that.
The NFL is not midget league football Gabriel has no chance.
That...and he had the audacity to beat the Buckeyes.
I have a lot of the same concerns about the Gabriel pick. I feel we could have gotten a better player at a different position with that 3rd pick. We could have drafted Dillon later I'm sure. I hope he turns out well for us. He seems like a good kid and he's one of us now. I'll support him and wish him the best.
I know it's our "job" (I'm saying that tongue-in-cheek, don't jump down my throat) as fans to warm up to draft picks like this after it's done.
I would've MUCH preferred another BPA pick (obviously, this was the Browns BPA at this spot, but I think you all know what I mean). I think coming out of the draft with zero Oline picks is a real headscratcher. If you're gonna take a wild swing at a position in the 3rd or later, make it Oline as that depth is just as much of a need as QB.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be rooting for the guy just as much, if not more, as anyone else. I'm just having a hard time seeing how this draft helps us to win more games this season and next because of picks like this.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I have a lot of the same concerns about the Gabriel pick. I feel we could have gotten a better player at a different position with that 3rd pick. We could have drafted Dillon later I'm sure. I hope he turns out well for us. He seems like a good kid and he's one of us now. I'll support him and wish him the best.
This is "deja vu all over again" for me.
In 2021, same round, the Texans traded up two slots in front of us, sadly, with our own original pick as Berry traded the higher of two for the JOK jump . They drafted Nico Collins; we responded with the head-scratcher in Anthony Schwartz. Seemed like we were dead-set on WR at that point and took questionable talent much higher than necessary.
2025, Seahawks jump two slots in front and draft Jalen Milroe, we respond by taking the next QB on our board much higher than necessary.
There's a very good chance I'm wrong, but it seems like we're locked in to certain positions in certain rounds and don't adapt if talent is depleted leading up to our pick.
I've got no problem with the pick. After watching highlights of most of the top QB candidates I think we did fine with with this pick. Highlights of course are the best of what the kid can do so lets not assume he doesn't have some faults that can't be fixed. I saw a QB who hit the receiver in stride more than most I viewed. Most of the his receivers were pretty well covered as far as collage level coverage goes. He scrambles very well and is fast. I saw some zip on the ball and has a very good arm for his size. At only 5' 11'' he will need to put some touch on the ball to get it over the heads of defenders. I remember Baker getting his balls batted down often.
Man, we must have watched completely different videos. I'll agree I didn't see a concern with batted balls. Other than that, I saw him throw behind receivers over the middle, hit guys well on the sideline, and dump off a TON of throws. I also didn't like his scrambling because he seemed to do it too quickly...a good chance that it was because he couldn't see down the field IMO.
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Gabriel has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has nice touch. He's just short. Maybe it means something. Maybe it doesn't. But, he will get to compete.
Gabriel has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has nice touch. He's just short. Maybe it means something. Maybe it doesn't. But, he will get to compete.
Where do we get that he has an absolute howitzer for an arm? This is what I saw per PFF:
Gabriel's average downfield pass in 2024 traveled 7.0 yards, the seventh-lowest mark in the FBS. That’s the nature of Oregon's offense. In the season prior, Bo Nix — now with the Denver Broncos — had an average depth of target of 6.8 yards.
The difference between Nix and Gabriel is that Nix took advantage of downfield options. Gabriel’s big-time-throw rate was 3.2%, while Nix’s was 4.0%. It’s not the largest gap, but it’s significant when there were plenty of times Gabriel could’ve taken deep shots. And Gabriel was successful when he was throwing downfield, too; he simply turned down far too many opportunities, either because he hit his check-down too early or didn’t see them. On passing attempts of 20 yards or more, Gabriel earned an elite 94.7 PFF passing grade in 2024 — the fifth-best figure in college football.
I guess the problem that I see is - even if he has a strong arm - he doesn't really use it. I also didn't notice that his arm was that strong on a lot of passes. Perhaps there are other clips that I missed, though.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Gabriel has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has nice touch. He's just short. Maybe it means something. Maybe it doesn't. But, he will get to compete.
Where do we get that he has an absolute howitzer for an arm? This is what I saw per PFF:
Gabriel's average downfield pass in 2024 traveled 7.0 yards, the seventh-lowest mark in the FBS. That’s the nature of Oregon's offense. In the season prior, Bo Nix — now with the Denver Broncos — had an average depth of target of 6.8 yards.
The difference between Nix and Gabriel is that Nix took advantage of downfield options. Gabriel’s big-time-throw rate was 3.2%, while Nix’s was 4.0%. It’s not the largest gap, but it’s significant when there were plenty of times Gabriel could’ve taken deep shots. And Gabriel was successful when he was throwing downfield, too; he simply turned down far too many opportunities, either because he hit his check-down too early or didn’t see them. On passing attempts of 20 yards or more, Gabriel earned an elite 94.7 PFF passing grade in 2024 — the fifth-best figure in college football.
I guess the problem that I see is - even if he has a strong arm - he doesn't really use it. I also didn't notice that his arm was that strong on a lot of passes. Perhaps there are other clips that I missed, though.
Gabriel was recorded throwing a pass 74.9 MPH. The NFL Scouting Combine record for the fastest throw is 62 MPH, shared by Josh Allen and Joe Milton III.
I didn't see him play at the Senior Bowl, where that speed was recorded. Maybe it can be that fast, I don't know, but nothing I saw from actual game throws made his passes look standout by any means. I also saw this from CBS Sports:
"Gabriel's arm is not atrocious. By NFL standards, it'll be average on a good day, and slightly below-average on a bad one. There aren't many times on film when he displayed the ability to really drive a ball through a closing window or stretch a defense vertically more than 25 yards. His tight, textbook, almost three-quarter release gets rid of the ball quickly, which helps alleviate some of the drawbacks of his weaker arm strength, but let's just say Gabriel will not be asked to throw many out routes toward the sideline from the far hash or deep posts in the NFL. It will mostly be a limiting factor on him as a professional."
Again, when it comes to the long ball, just watch his film vs Sanders and you'll notice a couple things: 1) Sanders throws downfield A LOT more often and 2) The zip on Sanders' ball looks a lot more impressive for the downfield throws. His accuracy to the middle of the field looks better too in terms of how he leads receivers. I'm also someone who wanted no part of Sanders in the first two rounds.
One thing I did forget to mention about Gabriel that is a positive is that he did seem incredibly difficult for defenses to bring down in the backfield. One slippery guy. Kyler Murray-esque. Except Gabriel didn't look like a toddler running.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Gabriel has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has nice touch. He's just short. Maybe it means something. Maybe it doesn't. But, he will get to compete.
Where do we get that he has an absolute howitzer for an arm? This is what I saw per PFF:
Gabriel's average downfield pass in 2024 traveled 7.0 yards, the seventh-lowest mark in the FBS. That’s the nature of Oregon's offense. In the season prior, Bo Nix — now with the Denver Broncos — had an average depth of target of 6.8 yards.
The difference between Nix and Gabriel is that Nix took advantage of downfield options. Gabriel’s big-time-throw rate was 3.2%, while Nix’s was 4.0%. It’s not the largest gap, but it’s significant when there were plenty of times Gabriel could’ve taken deep shots. And Gabriel was successful when he was throwing downfield, too; he simply turned down far too many opportunities, either because he hit his check-down too early or didn’t see them. On passing attempts of 20 yards or more, Gabriel earned an elite 94.7 PFF passing grade in 2024 — the fifth-best figure in college football.
I guess the problem that I see is - even if he has a strong arm - he doesn't really use it. I also didn't notice that his arm was that strong on a lot of passes. Perhaps there are other clips that I missed, though.
Gabriel was recorded throwing a pass 74.9 MPH. The NFL Scouting Combine record for the fastest throw is 62 MPH, shared by Josh Allen and Joe Milton III.
That story is incredibly misleading. That was the first time a chip in the ball was used to measure speed. It's measuring exit velocity -- which is world's different than speed measured in flight passing a radar gun.
Gabriel has a good arm. If he has a howitzer, hopefully it's locked in his safe after the news he got late Saturday.
I guess the problem that I see is - even if he has a strong arm - he doesn't really use it. I also didn't notice that his arm was that strong on a lot of passes. Perhaps there are other clips that I missed, though.
I think your own source explained that.
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That’s the nature of Oregon's offense.......Gabriel's average downfield pass in 2024 traveled 7.0 yards............... In the season prior, Bo Nix — now with the Denver Broncos — had an average depth of target of 6.8 yards.
We all know Nix has a strong arm yet when in the same offense his average was lower than Gabriel's. I'm not trying to make the claim that he has "an absolute howitzer for an arm" but even when you look back at Nix it's the offense they both played in that accounts for the short passing game.
From the footage I see he "can zip it" but doesn't do so many times. He uses touch on his longer passes to sort of "drop them in the bucket" rather than power them through. I think using touch in an accurate way is underrated. I believe that in fact makes his passes easier to catch.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
All I will say is that it is a good sign that a QB can throw with a bit of touch on short passes. I still cringe when I think about those Derek Anderson fastballs to running backs.
It's a big IF....a giant IF .... but I think if he can overcome the height, he looks like a legit NFL caliber like college QB. Accurate, touch, enough velocity, scans, reads - some wheels but at 5'11" he needs to be very selective. I really do like how he throws the ball.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
All I will say is that it is a good sign that a QB can throw with a bit of touch on short passes. I still cringe when I think about those Derek Anderson fastballs to running backs.
I remember Weeden firing a fastball at a RB's knees from about five yards away. Dude just turns around with his hands in the air before shaking his head and bursting out laughing.
It's a big IF....a giant IF .... but I think if he can overcome the height, he looks like a legit NFL caliber like college QB. Accurate, touch, enough velocity, scans, reads - some wheels but at 5'11" he needs to be very selective. I really do like how he throws the ball.
Current starting NFL QB's under 6'
Kyler Murray - 5'10 Bryce Young - 5'10 Russell Wilson - 5'11
As I stated earlier, I wasn't enamored with the DG pick. However, he is a Brown now and I will give him support and hope he becomes a very good QB for us. Same with SS. IF both develop, we can always trade one away. Having Joe around to mentor them is huge. Having Tommy Rees and Bill Musgrave as coaches is big too. Maybe we finally have the right pieces in place. Lord knows we're long overdue.
His arm is good. There are no issues with arm strength. It may not be the strongest, but just watch the film. He is zipping it all over the field. I see plenty of film showing him chucking it over 50 yards.
I think he will be the starter later in the season. The coaching staff loves what he brings and are going to give him a legit shot. He is by far the best QB at reading a D not named Flacco. He plays on time..the ball gets out on target.
IMO this was a Stefanski/Rees pick. They value a QB who makes good decisions and gets the ball out on time.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Thanks for posting. That was a much better compilation of downfield plays than what I had seen. His arm looked pretty good there, and he did a pretty good job of keeping his eyes downfield.
I noticed he still bailed from the pocket somewhat frequently, but some of that was by design.
That compilation actually reminded me of the 2020 Mayfield highlights with the naked boots and whatnot.
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. They drafted Nico Collins; we responded with the head-scratcher in Anthony Schwartz. Seemed like we were dead-set on WR at that point and took questionable talent much higher than necessary. 
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