Whether he is putting on a brave face or whether he feels everything he is projecting - I don't really care. After all the hype and then being drafted in the 5th round .... that's impressive to me. Damn, damn impressive. I can root for a kid like that. I hope the attitude doesn't sour.
The good thing is that - even if the attitude does sour - we’d be cutting a fifth rounder, not a first round, top 5 pick. Something that happens routinely.
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It's gonna be hard for Sanders to shine with the Flacco arm and Dillon. Those guys can sling it. He also has Flacco who knows the scheme and Pickett/Gabriel are known for being neck deep in the playback. Shadeur gonna have to put all the other stuff to the side and win a spot. Let the competition begin. HIGHLANDER there can be only one.
well, not a fave pick of mine, but too anyone who really hates this pick, I say this, they could have taken him at No.2, would you have liked that better? I'm quite happy they did the trade rather than pick Sanders at 2, hate to miss out on Hunter or Carter but neither player was going to step right in and lead the Browns to the Super Bowl, yes their talent would help out greatly at some point, but it would not be make or break until we get out true starting QB that is the key ingredient we've been missing since Kosar. Besides, every QB room needs 3 QB's, especially the Browns with the way injuries hit this team.
Having said that, it's not a sure thing he even makes the team, plus, we took him at 5, if he even becomes solid depth it's a value pick, if not, oh well. Although, I will say, we really do need a kicker, was there not a decent one available? lol
I hope our QB is in the next draft, or in 2 years a guy named Manning.
this makes me even more upset that we passed on Hunter.
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what percentage of 5th round picks have made the nfl roster (not practice squad) in the last 5 years? Will any of the 6 Ravens drafted 6th round or later make the team?
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As in "Shut That Piehole"? I thought we might see The Fallin' as Mr. Irrelevant the way it was going. Ski and Berry looked not pleased even when surrounded by white T-shirts and obligatory hand clapping. Wanted no part of the nonsense we just chose; didn't want him. Telling myself he is a glorified camp arm. Wonder why we reversed our position.
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what percentage of 5th round picks have made the nfl roster (not practice squad) in the last 5 years? Will any of the 6 Ravens drafted 6th round or later make the team?
If he fails here and we have to cut him it won’t hurt as much because he was only a 5th round pick. I hope he becomes the best QB we’ve had since Bernie. I’m rooting for Dillon too. Maybe we’ll get one and if they both show they can start we can get something for them. Hope for the best!
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. It’s insane for the Browns to not have a few viable backup QBs considering the fact that they usually go through 3 or 4 a season.
That said I like the pick.
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It's so obviously a pity pick by Haslem. He just can't help himself. There is a reason all the teams including the Browns kept passing on him.
That being said, the Browns always end up needing 4 QBs to make it through the season so I can see these guys all being on the team. Sanders is going to have to work hard to make it on a team where his slow ball is going to look bad compared to the other QBs on the roster.
All I know, is that he is a Browns player now so I will be rooting for him to improve his game to be worthy of that pick. He is a pretty good young man from a character perspective so that is always a good reason to root for him in my book.
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Contrary to all of the ESPN experts, I think the Browns are just thinking OK we drafted two quarterbacks and we drafted Sanders late so if they don’t work out, we’ve got two first rounders next year
I think that Haslem decided to do Deion a favor and take his kid, burning 2 picks in doing so. We could have grabbed a WR and an OL ...... but no .... we had to take a vastly overrated QB instead.
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The good thing is that - even if the attitude does sour - we’d be cutting a fifth rounder, not a first round, top 5 pick. Something that happens routinely.
This is the main point for me. And while lots of posters seem to hate the pick and claim that because Sanders was there in the 5th round it means he's not good. . . before the draft I saw lots of people say "don't take him in the first round". I saw lots of people including my self say "don't take him at 33 or 36" . . . . I didn't see people on this board say he's no good and he's not even worth a 4th or 5th round pick.
Maybe I am naive in thiking the Browns FO can manage Dieon and the circus and minimize it and minimize any impact on football operations. Maybe I am naive for thinking that the kid will know he has to work hard to make the roster let alone be the back up or get a look in at starting .... but that is my expectation.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I think that Haslem decided to do Deion a favor and take his kid, burning 2 picks in doing so. We could have grabbed a WR and an OL ...... but no .... we had to take a vastly overrated QB instead.
I obviously don't know, but I don't think that is entirely accurate. I seem to remember seeing Schefter report that the reason we moved up to where we did was to get ahead of Philly who was planning to take hime with the next pick.
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I didn't like him at the top because I thought he had some issues that needed fixed and I didn't really see massive upside. If those get fixed (mainly cutting out the bad sacks), he has things to like. In the 5th round, seeing if you can clean things up is worth the gamble. Could be our long term backup QB and spot starter. I do think he can operate an offense.
If he ends up too big of a distraction, you can get rid of him with little pain. Maybe a big distraction from Watson is a good thing.
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I think that Haslem decided to do Deion a favor and take his kid, burning 2 picks in doing so. We could have grabbed a WR and an OL ...... but no .... we had to take a vastly overrated QB instead.
I doubt any WR or OL we took there ends up starting for us this year. Shedeur could, and perhaps likely will. It was the 5th round, I think he somehow turned into an underrated QB.
I think we at worst raised the floor at QB. I think he could give Case Keenum like production. Stefanski can work with that.
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I can convince myself to 'like' the Gabriel or Sanders pick...I cannot convince myself to 'like' drafting both of them.
One of the four will eventually be gone. If it's Pickett or Sanders, we lost out on a 5th Rd pick. If it's Gabriel, we lost out on a third Rd pick. With a pretty good FS and C taken right after said 3rd Rd pick.
I have a hard time believing either guy was their top-rated player on the board at that moment. Smartest guys in the league...again.
The only problem with these theories that both QB's (or the Sanders Pick) is down th JH and the video proves it .... 1. People think Haslam has an opinion on drafting a 5' 11" QB whho was forecast to go in Rnd 4 or 5 without any publicity or fanfare and forced Berry to pick him? ... A stretch too far me thinks. 2. In the video -not the one that's been manipulated in Mac's post - the other one. Jimmy H is right there next to them and he looks just as solemn and tired as they do. His reaction is the same as their reaction .... so this is BS as far as my two cents is concerned. jmo
The more things change the more they stay the same.
The only problem with these theories that both QB's (or the Sanders Pick) is down th JH and the video proves it .... 1. People think Haslam has an opinion on drafting a 5' 11" QB whho was forecast to go in Rnd 4 or 5 without any publicity or fanfare and forced Berry to pick him? ... A stretch too far me thinks. 2. In the video -not the one that's been manipulated in Mac's post - the other one. Jimmy H is right there next to them and he looks just as solemn and tired as they do. His reaction is the same as their reaction .... so this is BS as far as my two cents is concerned. jmo
...So we're saying Dee wears the pants and forced the pick?
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I can convince myself to 'like' the Gabriel or Sanders pick...I cannot convince myself to 'like' drafting both of them.
One of the four will eventually be gone. If it's Pickett or Sanders, we lost out on a 5th Rd pick. If it's Gabriel, we lost out on a third Rd pick. With a pretty good FS and C taken right after said 3rd Rd pick.
I have a hard time believing either guy was their top-rated player on the board at that moment. Smartest guys in the league...again.
This is where I'm at. Just a terrible waste of assets. You end up with one QB and you paid a 3rd, 5th and a 6th. If we wanted a QB in the 3rd (which honestly seems to be the way we draft), you made your decision on Sandars when you drafted Gabriel. "Throwing darts" doesn't get you a fQB when you're doing it at #144; it muddies the waters, crowds the room, complicates relationships and just means nobody really gets a fair shake.
My biggest concern is unfortunately Berry and Stefanski taking care of him. Their record with nurturing young talents isn’t the best, and if we look at how they have taking care of other young men with attitude and a unapologetic ego then the odds are unfortunately quite low that they will succeed to transform him to a FQB.
This is exactly what everyone should have expected from you and someone like Steve. Every team that needed a QB passed on this kid 4 times. That's what the NFL thinks of Sanders. Not much. So you are already setting the stage to proclaim if a 5th round QB prospect doesn't make good it will be the fault this coaching staff and FO.
Who expected anything less from you? News flash for you. Every QB drafted that has been selected in the 5th round has had very low odds at of success.
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I have watched the video of Dawn Aponte announcing the pick and every time it puts a lump in my throat but in a good way. I am starting to really like this pick although I would not have felt the same way if picked at #2. Our QB room is packed and there could be real potential. Feel kinda bad for KP as he may be the odd man out. He will have to overperform to secure a job here....
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...So we're saying Dee wears the pants and forced the pick?
In some things Browns I do think Dee where the pants ... I think she has more grasp of reality than Jimmy and JW.
It feels like a Jimmy pick ... I don't think the video proves a damn thing though. I'd wait and trust some sort of clue from GM or other sources. I don't think Gabriel has anything to do with jimmy what so ever. jmo
The more things change the more they stay the same.
That video of Steve Smith is absolute trash. Jumped trhough and listed to about 3 minutes. What garbage.... Referenced Donald Trump ? What the F does DT know about football? Nada. He referenced Mel Kiper - who is butt hurt because he had Sanders as the best player in the draft or something crazy ... and he claimed it was a collective NFL effort to not draft Sanders. . . . absolute trash takes.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
My biggest concern is unfortunately Berry and Stefanski taking care of him. Their record with nurturing young talents isn’t the best, and if we look at how they have taking care of other young men with attitude and a unapologetic ego then the odds are unfortunately quite low that they will succeed to transform him to a FQB.
This is exactly what everyone should have expected from you and someone like Steve. Every team that needed a QB passed on this kid 4 times. That's what the NFL thinks of Sanders. Not much. So you are already setting the stage to proclaim if a 5th round QB prospect doesn't make good it will be the fault this coaching staff and FO.
Who expected anything less from you? News flash for you. Every QB drafted that has been selected in the 5th round has had very low odds at of success.
Hello Pit! Last time we met in the Berry/Stefanski thread you were out alone swimming in the deepest part of the ocean without a life vest but I’m glad you’re safely back healthy in a good mood.
My concerns about Berry and Stefanski’s ability to take care of Shedeur is actually a valid question based on their past history with Baker and Deshaun.
You mean when you tried to convince people that Baker didn't need to be humbled and mature to become the QB he is now? I may have been swimming in the deep end of the pool but you were drowning in it.
Once again reaching to conclusions that don't apply. Watson blew up. Or are your trying to convince people that Stefanski taught hm how to forget how to play QB? And the Baker thing was on Baker. I'm glad he developed into the QB he is today and it's sad that he had to go through what he did and be humbled before he got his head out of azz enough to do it.
There hasn't been a single 5th round pick at the QB position who has ever managed to be a four year starter in the NFL. Sanders won't be the first and you're already setting the table to blame Stefanski for it. Let me guess, you blame him for DTR not being an NFL starter too? lol
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He is a 5th rounder and QB is the most important position in football.
This team has struggled to the Nth degree re: QB.....we drafted two, we signed two, and we have the draft capital to potentially draft one in 2026.
This is how I feel...don't love the baggage the kid bring but in the 5th round he's a flyer on a guy who may or may not develop... we have a Vet who should start all season... two rookies that you hope one might at worst become a solid back up... and you have two first rounders that you can get a first round Qb next year in a much better draft lass if you need to
I don't hate this like many. Its the 5th round pick. He's either a high 2nd round talent, maybe 3rd round.
Every NFL GM in need of a QB has shown that to be incorrect. Only the talking heads made such claims.
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If the coaching staff can manage the egos and drama.
Yeah, that added dimension being put on their plate is just what they needed.
His tape and performance as a qb is on record ... He can trow the rock. He is accurate. There is a lot to like. We'll see.
It was on the record for every GM in the NFL to see as well. The jury is in. He's a project at best.
I didn't want to draft Sanders. I don't know how good he can be. That isn't the reason I didn't want him. I simply don't like what I was hearing in terms of his attitude in meetings and what I saw from him. I am okay with picking him late because the circus can be dumped.
With that being said I would not say the jury is in when it comes to his talent. I can see many teams taking him off their boards because of his actions during the process. I think the kid needed to be humbled. I was watching NFL Network where Daniel Jeremiah (a former front office person and scout) said that he thought Sanders needed to call some of thè GMs that needed QBs and let them know he now realizes he could have handled the pre-draft process better and he just wants to come in and work. I thought what Jeremiah said made a lot of sense. I should add that he had Sanders rated as his 20th rated player.
You mean when you tried to convince people that Baker didn't need to be humbled and mature to become the QB he is now? I may have been swimming in the deep end of the pool but you were drowning in it.
Once again reaching to conclusions that don't apply. Watson blew up. Or are your trying to convince people that Stefanski taught hm how to forget how to play QB? And the Baker thing was on Baker. I'm glad he developed into the QB he is today and it's sad that he had to go through what he did and be humbled before he got his head out of azz enough to do it.
There hasn't been a single 5th round pick at the QB position who has ever managed to be a four year starter in the NFL. Sanders won't be the first and you're already setting the table to blame Stefanski for it. Let me guess, you blame him for DTR not being an NFL starter too? lol
Baker has said himself that he needed to be humbled. He said his career and marriage were both failing until he found God. That was what propelled him to change. I am happy for him.
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