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All I know for sure is that if any Democratic President would have accepted a gift of that nature, Republicans would be all over them for it. In fact, I dare say that until Trump came along, if a Republican president accepted something like this, even Republicans would be all over them for it.

Simply put, it goes against the constitution. Spin it any way you want, he's in the wrong here.


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Amen, the real problem is what is the Democratic Party offering as an alternative.....Biden was senile and they LIED about it....who to trust. Term limits and no retirement for the whole lot.....we'd be WAY better off.


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Sources contradict Trump narrative about Qatar offering plane as ‘gift’

The Trump administration first approached Qatar to inquire about acquiring a Boeing 747 that could be used as Air Force One by President Donald Trump, four sources familiar with the discussions told CNN. That’s contrary to the narrative from the president that Qatar reached out and offered the jet as a “gift” to him.

After Trump took office in January, the Pentagon contacted Boeing and was told the company would not be able to deliver the new jets it was building to replace the aging presidential planes for another two years, the sources said.

The Trump administration, however, wanted a replacement plane much faster, and the Air Force was exploring different options for doing so. At the same time, Trump tasked his Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff with finding a list of viable planes, a senior White House official told CNN.

After the Pentagon’s initial engagement with the company, Boeing provided US defense officials with a list of other Boeing clients around the world with planes that could work in the meantime, three of the sources said.

“And Qatar was one of the clients,” the second source familiar with the discussions said, adding the Pentagon “offered to buy the plane” and Qatar indicated it was willing to sell it.

The Pentagon had launched the discussions with Qatar after learning that the White House supported the idea, the third source familiar said, and Witkoff helped facilitated the initial conversations, the White House official said.

The third source recalled that the initial discussions were about leasing the plane, rather than buying it outright.

But Trump has repeatedly described the potential deal as a “gesture” or “contribution” from Qatar’s royal family. A “GIFT, FREE OF CHARGE,” he wrote on his social media site Truth Social. He said it would be a temporary replacement for Air Force One and given to his presidential library after he leaves office but denied he would fly in the plane then.

The details on the administration outreach sheds new light on the origins of the potential transfer of the jet, which provoked a political furor that threatened to overshadow Trump’s trip to the Middle East last week. Democrats and several influential Republicans, who are normally staunch supporters the president, have said they oppose the potential deal on ethics grounds. Qatar has also faced a backlash, with Democratic lawmakers threatening to hold up weapons sales to the Gulf country.

Boeing is “very late with the plane,” Trump said in an interview last week with Fox News, “and Qatar heard about it, and he’s a great leader. And we were talking, and he said, ‘If I can help you, let me do that.’ And they had a plane.”

In February, Trump toured the Qatari plane with some aides when it was at the airport in Palm Beach, Florida, near Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort. Afterwards, Trump remarked on how luxurious the plane is to people around him, CNN has reported. Trump’s communications director Steven Cheung said at the time that Trump was on the plane “to check out the new hardware/technology.”

The Pentagon deferred questions to the White House. CNN has asked the White House, the Qatari embassy in Washington and a spokesperson for Boeing for comment.

Both Washington and Doha have emphasized that if the transfer happens, it will be conducted legally between Qatar’s Ministry of Defense and the US Department of Defense, a point repeated by the White House on Monday.
Lawyers are still hashing out the deal

The four people familiar with the discussions say the transaction is still being hashed out by lawyers on the two sides.

“From that time [the initial US outreach to Qatar] until today, the matter is still with the legal teams,” said the second source familiar with the discussions, “and no decision has been made at all.”

Reports have put the value of the plane around $400 million, but two of the sources said that it has depreciated in value.

On Monday, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt called the potential transfer a “donation to our country,” saying Qatar’s royal family “has offered to donate this plane to the United States Air Force, where that donation will be accepted according to all legal and ethical obligations.”

During Trump’s Middle East trip, he said he “would never be one to turn down that kind of an offer. I mean, I could be a stupid person say, ‘No, we don’t want a free, very expensive airplane.’ But it was, I thought it was a great gesture.”

Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al-Thani did not confirm Trump’s claim of being approached by a Qatari official when asked by CNN’s Becky Anderson last Wednesday, saying: “It has nothing to do with personnel, whether it’s on the US side or the Qatari side.”

“This is a very simple government-to-government dealing when Ministry of Defense and Department of Defense are still exchanging the possibility of transferring one of our 747-8 to be used as Air Force One and it’s still under the legal review,” Al-Thani said in the interview.

“At the end of the day, if there is something that the US need and it’s completely legal and we can, we are able to help and to support the US, then we are not shying away,” Al-Thani continued, adding that “of course” the offer would be withdrawn if the transaction were deemed illegal.

Beyond the ethical and legal questions, retrofitting and installing the required security and communications equipment on a second-hand plane from another government, even a friendly one, is a monumental task.

It could take two years and cost multiples of what the plane itself is worth, current and former officials have told CNN. US spy and security agencies tasked with the overhaul would need to essentially strip the aircraft down to its frame and rebuild it with the necessary equipment.

“I don’t see how you do this with an acceptable level of risk in a reasonable amount of time, if you can do it at all,” a former senior counterintelligence official previously told CNN.

The two Boeing 747-800s that are set to become the permanent Air Force One replacements are due to be delivered in 2027, in the second half of Trump’s final term.

“I would not necessarily guarantee that date, but they are proposing to bring it in ’27, if we can come to agreement on the requirement changes,” the Air Force’s acting acquisitions chief, Darlene Costello, told Congress earlier this month.

That’s five years later than the original delivery date but still two years earlier than Boeing had recently predicted.

“I’m not happy with the fact that it’s taken so long,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One in February. “There’s no excuse for it.”

“I could buy one that was used and convert it,” he added, “So we’re looking at other alternatives.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/19/politics/trump-adminstration-approached-qatar-jet


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Does anyone remember when this story first broke the press secretary repeatedly said that getting this plane has been a completely transparent process from the beginning . Although they had been talking about it with Qatar for months and have had the plane for a month at the time that we fist heard about it. Now this? Also you have heard trump say he is the most transparent president ever several times. You would think their jaws would get tired from lying so much.


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"“I’m not happy with the fact that it’s taken so long,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One in February. “There’s no excuse for it.”"



Does anyone else remember that during the first Trump Admin, he tried to wrestle a discount and added amenities to the new Air Force 1 and 2 which slowed the process to where it is now.

there is NOTHING wrong with the Current Air Force One. it works, It's safe. Should it be replaced, probably at some point, but in no way should it be turned into an opulent disaster that Trump has turned the Oval Office into.

But hey, He'll blame that on someone else like he does everything else. Damn Loser


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Trump is obsessed with how HE looks- Air Force One is not swag, it isn't "new or flashy"- he thinks it is embarrassing- function or substance means little- impression is all. Oatar does not give two hoots about the jet--- they have embarrassed us. Countries of the world are laughing at us because the jet has no real worth.

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Anybody that believes anything that comes out of trumps mouth is a damn fool.


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Maybe we should just let him and Vance fly the Lolita Express everywhere. Especially over hostile nations. They used it during the campaign…

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It seems they think they're Oprah now where everybody gets a new plane...................

Noem eyes $50M for new DHS jet

President Trump isn’t the only administration official eyeing a new jet: Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is also set to get one under a last-minute addition to the Coast Guard budget.

Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-Ill.), the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security, blasted the agency for the $50 million line item that “had never been requested or even mentioned before.”

“I was horrified last Friday when we received a last minute addition to your spend plan for fiscal ’25, a new $50 million Gulfstream 5 for Secretary Noem’s personal travel coming from the Coast Guard budget. She already has a Gulfstream 5, by the way, this is a new one,” Underwood said during a Wednesday hearing.

The Department of Homeland Security has defended the request.

“The current CG-101 G550 is over twenty years old, outside of Gulfstream’s service life, and well beyond operational usage hours for a corporate aircraft,” Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs, said in a statement.

“This is a matter of safety. Much like the Coast Guard’s ships that are well beyond their service life and safe operational usage, Coast Guard’s aircraft are too,” she added. “This Administration is taking action to restore our Nation’s finest maritime Armed Service to a capable fighting force.”

Coast Guard Adm. Kevin Lunday did not respond to a direct question from Underwood about whether he had been asked by higher ups at the DHS to add a request for the plane, but he did defend the need for it.

“It’s old, and it’s approaching obsolescence and the end of its service life, the avionics are increasingly obsolete, the communications are increasingly unreliable, and it’s in need of recapitalization, like much of the rest of the fleet,” he said.

“But this aircraft is necessary to provide the secretary, the deputy secretary, me as the acting commandant, the acting vice and our two area commanders with secure, reliable on demand communications and movement,” he continued.

Funding for a plane for Noem comes after Trump said he plans to accept a $400 million jet paid for by Qatar to serve as Air Force One, after which he plans to retain use of the jet by transferring it to his presidential library.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5302238-noem-new-homeland-security-jet/

It's odd how nobody in the previous administration felt they needed a new plane for the DHS. It must be like milk and suddenly reached its expiration date.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It seems they think they're Oprah now where everybody gets a new plane...................

Noem eyes $50M for new DHS jet

President Trump isn’t the only administration official eyeing a new jet: Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is also set to get one under a last-minute addition to the Coast Guard budget.

Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-Ill.), the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security, blasted the agency for the $50 million line item that “had never been requested or even mentioned before.”

“I was horrified last Friday when we received a last minute addition to your spend plan for fiscal ’25, a new $50 million Gulfstream 5 for Secretary Noem’s personal travel coming from the Coast Guard budget. She already has a Gulfstream 5, by the way, this is a new one,” Underwood said during a Wednesday hearing.

The Department of Homeland Security has defended the request.

“The current CG-101 G550 is over twenty years old, outside of Gulfstream’s service life, and well beyond operational usage hours for a corporate aircraft,” Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs, said in a statement.

“This is a matter of safety. Much like the Coast Guard’s ships that are well beyond their service life and safe operational usage, Coast Guard’s aircraft are too,” she added. “This Administration is taking action to restore our Nation’s finest maritime Armed Service to a capable fighting force.”

Coast Guard Adm. Kevin Lunday did not respond to a direct question from Underwood about whether he had been asked by higher ups at the DHS to add a request for the plane, but he did defend the need for it.

“It’s old, and it’s approaching obsolescence and the end of its service life, the avionics are increasingly obsolete, the communications are increasingly unreliable, and it’s in need of recapitalization, like much of the rest of the fleet,” he said.

“But this aircraft is necessary to provide the secretary, the deputy secretary, me as the acting commandant, the acting vice and our two area commanders with secure, reliable on demand communications and movement,” he continued.

Funding for a plane for Noem comes after Trump said he plans to accept a $400 million jet paid for by Qatar to serve as Air Force One, after which he plans to retain use of the jet by transferring it to his presidential library.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5302238-noem-new-homeland-security-jet/

It's odd how nobody in the previous administration felt they needed a new plane for the DHS. It must be like milk and suddenly reached its expiration date.

Biden did not know what a plane was by the end of his term!!!


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The request came from the head of the DHS Kristi Noem, not the president. Try again. BDS is real. You're hilarious.


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What does Biden have to do with this?


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
What does Biden have to do with this?
It's a joke, but in all seriousness I'd prefer dementia over unapologetic corruption.


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So you think Day of the Dawg was joking. I don't think you've been following along.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you think Day of the Dawg was joking. I don't think you've been following along.

If I was joking the joke was on all of us for 4 years!


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Do you mean from 2016-2020? #BDS


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Do you mean from 2016-2020? #BDS

I don't know if you call it BDS because Biden was not running the country. My DS was with whoever was running the country from Jan 2021 until Jan 2025. It wasn't Biden. He was just propped up so others behind the scenes to run the country. They did a terrible job of that. Jimmy Carter's 2nd term.


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You poor delusional man. It seems you think unapologetic corruption is a better option. Threatening the press calling people names blackmailing law firms is an improvement. #thoughtsandprayers

BDS is real and on full display in your posts.


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I read that it could take a year or two to convert the plane to AF1 at the cost of US tax payers. Also the plane has already been delivered to the US.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
BDS is real and on full display in your posts.

What the heck is BSD? The 112th pronoun?


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BDS is real and on full display in your posts.

What the heck is BSD?

Breaking systems down. You’re going down like those who came before you.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
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BDS is real and on full display in your posts.

What the heck is BSD? The 112th pronoun?

It’s BDS. Biden Derangement Syndrome. It’s the flip side to Trump supporters arguing that Democrats all HD Trump Derangement Syndrome by making everything about him.

Pit flipped the narrative in this case because he mentioned a concern with DHS shelling out cash for a new travel plane. Day responded off point with how Biden didn’t know what a plane was.

Hence, BDS.


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You are correct sir! Since it seems elementary school BS is all they know how to use I thought I would put it in he simplest of terms for them. But as you can see, some typical trump supporters still couldn't figure it out.



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