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Just like term1 - we have lots going on with Trump in term 2. The difference is in term 1 - we had some adults in the room who tried to keep things in balance, somewhat. Term 2 he seems to have simply placed enablers and sycophants around him and the results are more extreme even in the relatively short period of time in power.

There's a lot of stuff at home with DOGE and all their false claims, the damage it has done to the US globally and the mistakes made with en-masse firings, then having the re-hire.

There's the failure and muddying of peace process in Ukraine.

There's Gaza and the ridiculous comments there along with the failure to promote peace.

But there's other things which might be more emblematic of a policy of dictatorship/autocrat or what is turning into the new left wing media buzz word, facism. Definition of facism:Fascism is a far-right political ideology and movement characterized by authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and a rejection of democratic principles. It prioritizes the nation above individual rights, often embracing militarism and a centralized, dictatorial leadership. Key elements include suppressing opposition, promoting a rigid social hierarchy, and subordinating individual interests to the perceived needs of the nation.

While the "right" will simply ridicule any attempt to discuss this - and they might want to do that because to discuss this might actually be uncomfortable. There's a few things that stand out as being part of a possible pattern. But instead of just throwing names out there and having any post decend into the normal BS. I figured I would try to spell out what (to me) are potentially concerning trends that show some sort of consistent theme or pattern.

[1] We've heard since the begining that the Free Press are the enemy of the people. We've seen attacks on the press verbally and the recent ban on the associated press and the dismantling of the voice of america. there's too many incidents and stories for a need to post a link.

[2] We've had the attack on universities.
https://wonkhe.com/blogs/trumps-unprecedented-assault-on-higher-education/
What does this mean? Every grant – every grant – held by researchers at the Mailman School of Public Health has been frozen or cancelled. All of them.
The Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies department has been taken into “receivership”, which is a polite way of saying that outspoken academic departments now are to be led only by professors approved by the Trump government.


[3] We've had governance by executive order and the use of inappropriate precident to justify some of them.
https://www.akingump.com/en/insights/trump-executive-order-overview

[4] We've seen an attack on judges (term 1 and term 2)
https://theconversation.com/like-ma...obstacles-to-safety-and-democracy-255472

[5] We now have a threat and censorship to scientific journals and trying to undermine globally peer reviewed worldwide research.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/28/rfk-jr-medical-journals


It would be possible to see all those things and maybe say there is a pattern - I don't know what project 2025 said in detail. . . but is there a link?
https://progressivereform.org/tracking-trump-2/project-2025-executive-action-tracker/


I'm sure there are other things people might want to raise that they see that I have forgotten about. But this is the short list I can think of off the top of my head.

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OR - is there a case to be made that Trump really doesn't care about much of that at all and the two things he cares about are 1. his ego and being "fthe most famous" and 2. grifting and lining his pockets.

There was a decent article in the Atlantic suggestging that it's only the $$$ thats most important to him:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/trump-golden-age-corruption/682935/

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Excellent post. Very thoughtful, with citations to boot.

I think, at the very least, he is testing the limits and aggressively trying to expand the powers of the Executive. This is bolstered by the flood the zone strategy and rapid implementation of policy and directives. He is aware that he can move a lot faster than the courts can respond. He found a flaw and is exploiting it. He also is relying on certain radical actions to get through and change the landscape, as allowed by a favorable SCOTUS. Lastly, he is also bolstered by an opposition that mightily struggles with its own ineptitude.

I don’t think there can be any argument against the point he is also doing this for his own self enrichment. How else would you explain the tariff insider trading and crypto. If you also believe he accepted the Qatari 747 “for America” well I also have a bridge to sell you.

The bottom line answer to your thread question is “Chaos is the plan.” We know who will come out ahead at the end of the admin. The middle class is still losing purchasing power. I myself am markedly worse off than I was at the start of the admin. There is only one group of people who I am sure will be better off.


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I agree that it really doesn't look exactly subtle - and "expanding the powers of the executive" is at least two steps down that path of facism based on it's definition.

I forgot to mention the restriction/removal of individuals rights by the deportations without due process - and subsequent discussion on potentially removing due process under the guis of "It will take too long to process so many individuals and do it legally" .... and of course when they make mistakes and deport individuals here LEGALLY the response has been to shrug the shoulders.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander .... there is going to be a future democratic president and they will be exempt for their official actions and they will undoubtedly at some point in time rival the corruption and manipultion of the system that Trump is exhibiting..... and oh how the Republicans and Trumptards cry. Hell - they were apoplectic at a beige suit .... just imagine.


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There is also the attacks on Law Firms and universities that fail to take marching orders from trump. Anyone who opposes him faces his retribution.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There is also the attacks on Law Firms and universities that fail to take marching orders from trump. Anyone who opposes him faces his retribution.

You mean the same universities that there has been civil unrest at for over a year now. That some students no longer feel protected and safe to attend. I think there is a reason why attention is getting spent on some of these institutions.


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Yes students "feelings" mean more than the constitution in Trumplandia. I forgot how that works.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes students "feelings" mean more than the constitution in Trumplandia. I forgot how that works.

These college campuses civil unrest is not peaceful protest. Students have been hurt, threatened, property damaged, etc... These Universities have a responsibility to protect ALL of their students and not just the left-wing wacko's. If they can't do that, they should not receive federal aid. Nothing unconstitutional in that.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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Yes students "feelings" mean more than the constitution in Trumplandia. I forgot how that works.

These college campuses civil unrest is not peaceful protest. Students have been hurt, threatened, property damaged, etc... These Universities have a responsibility to protect ALL of their students and not just the left-wing wacko's. If they can't do that, they should not receive federal aid. Nothing unconstitutional in that.

You mean just like the idiot that incited JAN 6, and his merry band of what he called ANTIFA Protestors?

You mean like that.

Hey, while we are at it, Explain why, after calling the insurrection a peaceful protest, then changing it to an attack by ANTIFA, why would Trump PARDON them..

I mean if it was really ANTIFA as so many damn idiots call them, why pardon them... You people can't get your stories straight.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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Yes students "feelings" mean more than the constitution in Trumplandia. I forgot how that works.

These college campuses civil unrest is not peaceful protest. Students have been hurt, threatened, property damaged, etc... These Universities have a responsibility to protect ALL of their students and not just the left-wing wacko's. If they can't do that, they should not receive federal aid. Nothing unconstitutional in that.

"These universities"? It's odd how you always just say things but don't give sources or facts to back them up. Please back up your assertions with sources. And so you think targeting Harvard and ignoring every other university is a proper response? Let me explain something to you. These protests went on at several universities across the country. As of April 2024 alone protests were held at.............

CALIFORNIA STATE POLYTECHNIC UNIVERSITY, HUMBOLDT

YALE UNIVERSITY

UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT

HARVARD UNIVERSITY

PRINCETON UNIVERSITY

BROWN UNIVERSITY

NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY

UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN

UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES

GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY

VIRGINIA TECH

DEPAUL UNIVERSITY

CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY

UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT CHAPEL HILL

UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA

UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN

VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH UNIVERSITY

PORTLAND STATE UNIVERSITY

TULANE UNIVERSITY

UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA

UNIVERSITY OF UTAH

UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA

UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-war-campus-protests-966eb531279f8e4381883fc5d79d5466

Arrests were made of those who engaged in criminal activity. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work? Somehow you think a president now sits on a throne and hands out punishment from the oval office. You think that would be king is right and justified to choose one or two of those universities and punish them as if that's part of his job description.

It seems to have gone over your head that there are three branches of government. The legislative, executive, and judicial. The president is not a part of the judicial branch.


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If you could, please explain how this is related to "punishing Harvard"? Investments to some of the greatest minds in the country that stops research on many catastrophic diseases that effect Americans, both democrats and Republicans I might add, all across our country. At what point are you willing to admit that this is much deeper than that? Is this something you also support?.........

At least 350 grants from the National Institutes of Health (NIH), National Science Foundation (NSF) and elsewhere been canceled at Harvard Medical School, excluding the School of Public Health and the School of Engineering, a Harvard University faculty source told ABC News.

Harvard has said the loss of research funding interrupts work on topics including tuberculosis, chemotherapy, pandemic preparedness, Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease. The school has also said the Trump administration’s threats have endangered its educational mission.

The Trump administration did not immediately reply to ABC News' request for comment.

This includes research for studying antibiotic resistance, identifying the earliest precursors of breast cancer, breaking barriers to deliver effective drugs for Alzheimer's disease, studying microbial evolution and researching cures for ALS.

Scientists at Harvard say the cancellations of their research grants are collateral damage in the battle with the Trump administration and worry some scientific breakthroughs will never be discovered.

"I will say that receiving a grant from the NIH is very challenging," David Sinclair, a professor in the department of genetics at Harvard Medical School, told ABC News. "It takes years of work and a lot of effort. You have to go through peer review, and it can take years to get this money, and when you get it -- I've literally dropped to my knees with gratitude of receiving one of these grants. These are a big deal, and they literally are our lifeblood, and to just have that terminated is devastating."

'What do I say to her'?

Sinclair was inspired to find a cure for ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), a debilitating neurological disorder, after his partner's mother was diagnosed with it.

"We've watched her descend from an active, healthy lady in her 70s to now, where she's on a breathing machine and being saved by a tube," he said. "And our house is an ICU unit with nurses 24/7 and for us, it's a race against time."

Sinclair said within the last month, his lab had a breakthrough using artificial intelligence to find both synthetic and naturally occurring molecules that may reverse the aging process and treat ALS.

Sinclair received word on May 15 that two grants of his were being terminated. One was an NIH grant awarded to Sinclair's lab on a project to reverse the aging process and the second was a career award given to a postdoctoral researcher in his lab on the ALS project.

The career award grant was paying for the salaries of the researcher and two people working under her. Now all three are effectively without salaries unless another form of funding can be found.

Sinclair said in the interview that he had not told his partner's mother that the ALS grant has been canceled.

"I just feel so concerned for the patients who, like my partner's mother, are counting on us scientists to find treatments and cures for what ails them," he said. "And what do I say to Serena's mom? I haven't talked to her yet. What do I say? That the research that looked so promising is now terminated? That her life is counting on us, and she's just one of millions of people in this country who are counting on the research at Harvard Medical School to make the breakthroughs that will literally save their lives."

Similarly, on a search for stopping debilitating diseases, Joan Brugge, director of the Ludwig Center at Harvard Medical School, was studying how to identify the earliest precursors of breast cancer with a goal of designing treatments to prevent them from becoming cancerous.

The work was supported by an approximately seven-year grant from the NIH's National Cancer Institute totaling at about $600,000. The grant was in its sixth year with 1.5 more years left.

Another canceled grant was a fellowship for a postdoctoral researcher in Brugge's lab. These grants support costs such as training, tuition and fees and child care, according to the NIH.

"These kinds of things are going to affect our ability to make progress in the way we want," Brugge told ABC News. "This is not right. Why should Americans be deprived of potential benefits from this research?"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/350-harva...-trump-administration/story?id=122221156

Who is trump really punishing by doing this?


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The plan is for it to be as chaotic as possible. Keep control of the media narrative, demonize judges for following the law. What sticks, is Trump everyday, 24 hours and its exhausting.

Case in point, Trump wants to retain the tax cuts, and so Medicaid gets a haircut. Everyone that follows the news knows that.

What is missing... Why did not DOGE show up at DOD? and why does DOD get a 150 billion increase when everything else is fair game for cutting.

It is the Trump show, 24/7.


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It comes from something Bannon coined in 2018 that Stephen Miller has pushed this time around.
Hit them with as many things as you can-the media will focus on one and the others will go unnoticed- the dems are too slow to react-and so is the courts.

If it is all done by EO's-the courts cant stop everything with injunctions and if the repubs in congress act fast enough-it could be codified thru legislation before the courts strike it down. The problem is repubs can't get on the same page and govern, so the courts have had time to react.

more on this in story below;

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-flood-zone-strategy-explained-trump-policy-blitz-2027482

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Trump isn't part of the judiciary- REALLY- he appointed a judge who got him off for the crimes he committed with "classified information". His second term is following conservative policies and he's hitting hard the liberal democratic party. Universities/education in US has been "liberal" for decades- don't hurt students by expecting effort and some type of progress towards basic reading, writing, and math- if they don't want to study, push them thru the system- don't hurt feelings. Our top students still excell, but the left side of Bell Curve and decended to near complete illeterate state. Why not have trade schooles starting in 8 or 9th grade.

Trump is a con man, who has created a huge following and will bleed the system in every way known for next three plus years--- he's doing what he thinks is right, cares not for any other opinions and will make billions upon billions legally and illegally....and not care. Peace.


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