DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk 2025 NFL Draft 5th Round Pick: Sheuder Sanders

I am not sure if this is any glaring nod that Sanders is a great QB. He is head and shoulders better than Gabriel. Is that saying much we shall see. Gabriel is not tall enough to see over Mary Kay Cabot and has a noddle arm. That was the only really bad pick in the draft for the Browns.

Could be Shedeur throwing heaters all day to "prove" his arm strength doubters "wrong" vs Gabriel throwing "naturally" to fit the situation.

The guy that works for a company that sells subscriptions backing the guy that has a giant social media following, go figure.

Grossi said the opposite. (Gabriel looked better. "A bit." Not that I particularly trust Grossi) He could just be being contrarian to get "negative" engagement that way.

I think the Sanders focus/hype (/hyperbole) is mostly click chasing at this point.

Time will tell.

QB's look a lot better with zero pressure in shorts playing pass and catch. Now if only he can learn to read NFL D's, process information quickly and stop making what would be 5 yard sacks into 15 yard sacks the Browns may be on to something.

If looking good playing pass and and catch in shorts is all it took to be a good NFL QB every NFL team would have a dozen of them to choose from.

Agree. No doubt. I think what can be seen is Sanders has a chance to be an NFL QB. He has an NFL arm. Sadly, Gabriel does not have the size or arm to be an NFL starter.

Yeah Zac Jackson may be worse than MKC. Either way, they are in shorts right now, I don’t care about any report until I’m seeing it with my own eyes in the pre-season.

From the highlights i saw both qbs looked pretty good against noone. Gabriel was tight on his throws, Sanders throws wobblers on a lot of short to medium. He throws a terrific deep ball however. Camp winner was our new linebacker, that pass he picked off against Gabriel was a moment of hmm we might have something here.

We won't know anything till the pressure comes. Organized scrimmages will be huge.

Zac use to work for the Browns and still has a lot of friends that do.

Yes, he did and he was terrible then and still is now. He has never had insight into the team. His “friends” are on the tv/internet. The only insight he can really give is during camps because he is actually there. I’ve never seen any breaking news come from him. We can watch the videos that he is reporting on because the sessions are available to the media, which means they are inevitably available online. My brother in law was drafted by the Tigers years ago, in the backyard he throws one of the prettiest spirals I’ve ever seen… he’s never played a down of football in his life, he was a golfer during the fall season. Shedeur doesn’t throw a pretty spiral unless he winds up for a down field throw, that’s mechanics.The ball on Short/intermediate should look similar to down the field.

Hype machine. Wake me when he takes us to a super bowl. I’ll be shocked if he starts a game here.

If we have to choose, I'd take Jackson's opinion over Grossi's without a second thought.

QB comp isn't going to be decided in mini-camp.

That's not what I've seen from Gabriel's game tape. Which in actuality is all that really matters.

Yeah but let's be honest. The position he held was only to be a paid media personality whose job was to promote the Browns and their players. Not that there's anything wrong with that but that's the job description he held in a nut shell.

Let's call it for what it is. It is the silly season of football to keep interest up until training camp. You can only fill up so much time with season preview shows.

100%

We all crave it though, which is why there are so many outlets.. Truth is, there isn't anything real to talk about until week 3 of training camp, unless there is a significant injury. That's when you will start to see a pattern of who is getting the majority of reps.

if we have to choose between either of those two for anything this year, we're screwed. Unless Flacco gets hurt, neither one should see the field at all in 2025.

And, Pit is correct in that only what those two have put on film in the past matters at this point. What you see from them right now in a practice, in shorts, with generic plays to generic routes against generic (or non-existent) defenses doesn't amount to any value or meaning whatsoever.

The knocks on Sanders involve play in games under pressure and his decision making. He SHOULD shine in this exact scenario.

I start Gabriel day 1 give him a few games, he is 24 plsyed in 3 different systems. He is either gonna sink or swim. If he falters, next up Sanders. He fails we probably have two of the top 4 picks next year and we try again. Worst thing we can do is focus on 40 year old Flacco and check down Charlie Frye, I mean Pickett.

I am starting to warm up to the idea of Flacco being our second coming of Josh McCown (QB Coach in Pads).

That said, I don't like the idea of throwing a late-round rookie out there in a sink-or-swim situation. If you think he may have a chance of developing, then you put him in the best chance to succeed (which could be starting him right away, or it could be letting him sit for a season).

I don't know about you, but I'm taking our approach to the QB room this off-season as a message that we are looking to (albeit quickly) rebuild over the next season or two.

The common sense approach would be to ride out the veterans as long as possible. Throwing a third and fifth round QB draft pick to the wolves straight out of the gate makes no sense at all. I think if they found a quality back up out of these to it's still a win. If something better transpires that would be great but just a bonus.

Agreed.

I am tired of hearing that everyone had sanders as the #2 Qb
Clearly that isn't true.

The Giants, Saints, Seahawks, and Browns didn't
That is a fact because they all took a different Qb with him still available

Additionally - per terry pluto - see link below for the compete article:

12. I asked about Sanders. My source said he didn’t know of any team that had him rated in the first three rounds.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...s-drafted-like-they-did-terry-pluto.html

As the saying goes, you are what your record says you are.

In this case, Sanders is a fifth-round pick.

You can agree or disagree. In the end, Sanders was drafted in the fifth round. It is what it is.

He was the sixth QB drafted in the 2025 NFL draft for a reason. The talking heads were all wrong which is nothing new. They're still having a hard time coming to grips with that.

I think the only people still having an issue with it are his people in marketing/PR that are trying to keep his "brand" propped up through media talk. They're probably paying some media bobbleheads to espouse certain viewpoints just to keep the narrative going.

Like, how hard would it be to contact one of the show hosts and offer $5000 for him to say that Gabriel should just be called "that other guy" from now on? Simple, cheap, removes Gabriel's name while propping up Sanders without having to justify why he should be propped up.

I just think it's that the media went all in on Sanders to the point they're so deep in it they can't seem to back down now. It's like watching your friend stick with crappy girlfriend knowing he should dump her but instead stay with her until she dumps him. You kind of feel sorry for the guy but he brought it on himself.

I don't see why Sander's marketing team would need to do any of that. He's an easy "get your clicks" player right now for the media. His PR team just needs to keep doing what they're doing right now. Show him out doing his personal things, show him at the local high schools, and etc.

Sheuder is top 3 rookie jersey sales. The top 10 are all 1st round picks except for him.

I'm not saying he's a good or bad player. What I am saying is he's an easy sell and talking point b/c of who he is.

I was just pointing out how simple it is for them to get the talking heads to say the things they are with nothing to base any of it on. But, like you pointed out, he already has the following, so simply mentioning him will draw attention and clicks/views, so it is even easier than what I put forth, which actually reinforces what I was saying.

Lol. Is this sarcasm?

Zach Jackson with the Atlantic continues to be impressed by Sheuder Sanders at Browns OTA's. He was on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show yesterday speaking about what he seen at the open to the media day at Browns OTA's. In a nutshell he says Joe Flacco is head and shoulders the best QB on the field at yesterday's practice. Also, reminded everyone that Joe Flacco is 3rd winningest QB in Cleveland Browns Stadium history and he feels he will be day 1 starter. He says Kenny Pickett is Kenny Pickett. Nothing he saw made him think he is nothing more than what he saw in Pittsburg. Also reminded everyone Kenny Pickett lost to DTR in Cleveland Browns stadium. He says Sheuder Sanders looks the part on the field. Says he looks like an NFL QB. Says the other rookie does not!!!

Everybody has some sort of favorite. Just human nature.

All of this grading and odds making at this point is silly. These were OTA's. Next up is mini camp where the entire squad will be there. That will be one more small piece to the puzzle.

Just because you have figured out a corner to a jigsaw puzzle doesn't mean you have completed the puzzle. You still have a long way to go before you have that figured out.

There's really nothing else for these NFL reporters to talk about. So they try to make people think these are actual newsworthy stories when all it really is, is people playing pass and catch in shorts. The silly season continues.

Although, Zach Jackson is the same media member that all off season last year was saying that Deshaun Watson was not looking good in the summer leading up to last season. He has been well connected to the Browns organization and accurate in past reporting of what he sees on the field.

Truth! A lot of what I'm seeing on social media right now seems an awful lot like it's designed to steer public opinion and create controversy. The downright shilling for Sanders is pretty impressive. I'll just buy the ticket and take the ride. At least the Watson nightmare is ending.

It would be a huge boost for Sanders to prosper and become an elite QB. As a fifth rounder, he's worth a gamble for sure. At this point all he's just a gamble with low risk and exceedingly high reward.

I agree 100%, but from what I heard Myles Garrett (who's in Japan) and Dionte Johnson (no report on Why is wasn't there) were the only two not at this OTA. They were running full practices during this camp. Even Dawand Jones was a full participant. They ran two full 11 on 11 drills simultaneously to get QBs more reps, however, there aren't enough O-linemen, so the Gabriel/Sanders side were missing the LT and LG in their drills.

They should have been able to get a good amount of info for where they are to start training camp. They are making them put in the work to get ready. I don't think it will surprise anyone that Flacco looks a lot better than the others, he's already ran this offense. It doesn't mean someone else can't catch him and pass him between now and pre-season ending. I will personally be surprised if they do, but there is plenty of time to catch up for sure.

I heard that Greg Newsome also skipped the OTA.

As far as Sanders, or any other QB, this type of setup is designed to make the pass game work. No real pass rush, no tackling, no specialized defenses ..... it would be a shock if the QBs didn't look good.

So does that mean you believe that QB's throwing the ball around in shorts really means something? Because that's what he's watching on the field. I mean I suppose if you look like crap doing that it does. Otherwise it doesn't.

Myles Garrett, Diontae Johnson, Greg Newsome II among Browns players not at OTAs

CLEVELAND, Ohio. — Myles Garrett, Diontae Johnson and Greg Newsome II were among the 14 or so Browns players who weren’t on the field for the second voluntary organized team activities practice on Wednesday.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...ii-among-browns-players-not-at-otas.html

Did Bitonio show up? I thought he wasn't attending as well.

The only surprise no-show is the new WR (but also not surprising at the same time). Glad the QBs are all getting reps. Save Flacco's arm for the season, though, please....


Otherwise, wake me up when TC starts.

Precisely.
The knocks on Sanders are all related to when he isn't relaxed and in a pristine environment.
Less than high-end mobility, questionable pocket navigation, holds the ball too long, takes unnecessary sacks, poor decision making under pressure.

The only things that might show up in shorts is arm strength (good, but not top tier), foot work (needs work), lack of anticipation - especially over the middle.

All of this Sanders love reminds me of the teeny boppers going gaga over Brady Quinn.

I am not saying the guy can't be the "guy". I just think it a bit premature.

Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Johnny Football, DTR.... do we count Cody Kessler & RG3?
I mean, the number of times there has been Late Spring Overreactions toward Browns QB's is just absolutely mind boggling, yet it still continues to happen.